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RotoStorm864

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what really separates storm from the pack
« on: April 07, 2013, 03:39:28 PM »
Ok. Serious question ive been wondering about for awhile. What really separates storm and  roto grip from the competition? Storm and roto have dominated on tv for a while now and every tournament I go to you seen a ton of theyre stuff and they all look great. Is it the covers? Cores? They're lineup just always seems so complete.
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2013, 05:07:37 PM »
Interesting you think that....the amount of staffers are quite close in number...
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2013, 06:32:32 PM »
JR just curious why you think they have a cleaner/quicker response to friction vs others? Why others aren't able to have the same reaction through surface adjustments if thats whats needed for the tour?

My scope with RG is limited but the last ball I tried was the Mutant Cell Pearl. Good ball(damn pretty in colors) but didn't stand out in terms of reaction.  Most of the stuff I throw is Brunswick and the DV8 stuff I tried really fit that discription of clean through the heads with a quick response to friction.  Thats with the Misfits and Too Reckless not the upper tier stuff.
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JustRico

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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 07:08:33 PM »
Why do I think? Cause I know...it's not what a bowling ball does in oil or due to surface, it's what they do in friction. When making a statement such as 'such & such a ball is clean and has a quick or fast response' is irresponsible, at best, due to the fact that it is not a true test or example...you are basing on your opinion and YOURS only...it is your perception. When basing an educated opinion, it is one seen thru unbiased eyes and gauging what you see thru the whole lane, not from the foul line thru your eyes and preconceived perceptions. Due to certain restraints, that's the best answer I can offer...
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2013, 07:14:12 PM »
Ok was just curious if you had a little more to elaborate on it and if others on tour could get in the ball park through surface adjustments.
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JustRico

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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2013, 07:17:24 PM »
A good example is watch how certain players excel early versus later in blocks and what they're using...
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2013, 07:33:54 PM »
Makes sense.

I look forward to trying a Storm Lights Out it is the right color and right performance line for the conditions I bowl on. The lower tier equipment is tough to beat theses days.
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2013, 07:49:57 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on April 08, 2013, 07:33:54 PM
Makes sense.

I look forward to trying a Storm Lights Out it is the right color and right performance line for the conditions I bowl on. The lower tier equipment is tough to beat theses days.

The "right color"?
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2013, 07:54:14 PM »
Matching outfit (:
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2013, 08:01:49 PM »
I prefer darker colors or solid colors when possible. Too many of these really really bright color bowling balls are hard to see going down the lane and how they are transitioning when they do. Its the popular trend among many manufactures.

If you refer to what you wear to a bowling alley as an outfit your not a bowler lol
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JustRico

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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2013, 08:08:26 PM »
Lol...+1 on explanation on colors....and they're centers not alleys (:
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2013, 08:09:47 PM »
They do make good stuff, but alot has to do with popularity.  Remember chuckies, reebox pumps, and jordans. Not really better just more popular.  I think all the pros could switch brands and the elite would still show.
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2013, 08:18:52 PM »
Because one type of ball "supposedly" excels on friction that somehow sets them apart?  If there were decidedly an advantage to using a companies' ball, EVERYONE would be using them given the low amount of money those guys are bowling for.     

Last year's POY threw Brunswick equipment.   
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2013, 08:12:28 AM »
Quote from: BackToBasics on April 08, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
Because one type of ball "supposedly" excels on friction that somehow sets them apart?  If there were decidedly an advantage to using a companies' ball, EVERYONE would be using them given the low amount of money those guys are bowling for.     

Last year's POY threw Brunswick equipment.

Chris Barnes is getting a pretty nice contract to throw Columbia, but he doesn't win as much with them as I think he could with somebody else.  Bottom line, if some company offers you GUARANTEED money to throw their equipment, given the low amount of money these guys are bowling for (your own words), I'd take that over using balls that may give me an advantage but don't guarantee wins. 

And I wouldn't argue with Rico, he knows what he's talking about.  If you don't agree with him, you're wrong, bottom line. 
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JustRico

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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2013, 08:39:31 AM »
There are 2 ways to look that comment...yes, players are paid by companies to use that equipment...so they will and do find a way to best maximize that equipment...but at what point does a player match up with said equipment or do they either change their games to utilize that equipment, thus devaluing their natural abilities or necessitate manipulation to said equipment?
As I mentioned earlier, in a sense due to integrity, there is only so much I will post, but understand, certain styles of players will benefit certain motions created by certain covers...others will go where the money leads them...and in true side by side comparisons, you'd be surprised...and it has nothing to do with 'if it was the greatest equipment, everyone would be throwing it'...certain styles do NOT match up well with all motions/reactions...there are more variables, the biggest is response to friction...this is what effects angles and what angles are being created by this...if they are proper for pin carry...optimum pin carry is created by proper entry angle...
Sorry you do not feel this is true...your opinion is yours...but be open minded and don't believe all the marketing or what the reps profess...they're paid to...
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Re: what really separates storm from the pack
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2013, 08:47:03 AM »
And one more thought...we are talking 2 different landscapes here...you have 2 diverse conditions that these are being used on...one that tends to have a higher volume of conditioner in the front & middle and friction side to side plus down lane, thus creating a certain reaction created by the lane, which nullifies certain differences in the covers to a condition that has the conditioner on a flatter ratio side to side, less build up in the middle & front or basically the length of the pattern...less built in hook or friction to dictate motion...a truer test of reaction created by the covers than the lane. It's like comparing miniature golf to US Open conditions...
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