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Title: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Juggernaut on January 19, 2020, 11:03:59 AM
Anybody know anything yet?
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: themagician on January 19, 2020, 12:41:48 PM
Rumor only, but hearing first EBI ball will be a hammer, announced in February, and available in March. I slightly more than half trust my source. Massive undertaking to get things integrated at Brunswick for the additional brands, wish them well.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BallReviews-Removed0385 on January 19, 2020, 03:38:28 PM

From a reliable source:  Production has already begun, although I don't remember which brand.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 19, 2020, 07:23:36 PM

From a reliable source:  Production has already begun, although I don't remember which brand.

Probably pretty safe to assume its Hammer considering that was EBI's crown jewel.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: morpheus on January 19, 2020, 08:09:53 PM
Rumor has it the first release will be a new Widow...seems obvious
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
First they need to re-certify the brands before production can begin.
Do not believe that has happened yet.

And they already did testing on an awesome new Black Widow prior to selling
Reports were that's its better than the Pink.

Remains to be seen if the Mexico versions can replicate the Hopkinsville produced balls
Only time will tell.

Not sure it made good business sense to do this in the middle of the season, they could have bought the company and kept it quiet until end of season.
Made enough balls to keep everyone happy and then had time to relocate the plant

All they are doing now is hurting the brands with no releases for months
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: ignitebowling on January 19, 2020, 09:39:25 PM
Ebonite filed for bankruptcy and later in the year was bought out.  I don't think they are hurting anything by not releasing anything right away.  Everyone has read the process and that more stuff will release as March approaches.  Bowlers complain about too many releases followed by not enough. Distributors are trying to unload all of they stuff they bought out from Hopkinsville.   I doubt they are wanting more stuff added to the situation before they can unload the "old".
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
EBI filed for bankruptcy?
#fakenews
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: northface28 on January 19, 2020, 09:47:59 PM
EBI filed for bankruptcy?
#fakenews

You are funny.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: completebowler on January 20, 2020, 12:54:53 AM
Some test balls are already out and in bowlers hands. Rumor says they are hopeful March will bring new releases if all goes well.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 20, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
Market share is great but doubt they were going to be able to increase their market share enough to offset the market shrinking which is why I am guessing they sold.  Cliche yes but true in business if you aren't growing you are dying.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Jesse James on January 20, 2020, 01:23:00 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....

From what I read, it was a business decision! All of the points you made above are true, but the penalties that they were going to have to pay to upgrade and change the infrastructure within their factory precluded them trying to stay in business!

I was told the govt cited them for quite a number of OSHA violations as well as major asbestos violations!

By the time they'd have finished remodeling their factory, they'd have lost of all the market share that they'd previously owned, making it an uphill battle to regain their bowling recognition and stature! Not to mention $$$ lost while not manufacturing, and personnel lost while being in downtime!
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Juggernaut on January 20, 2020, 01:52:47 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....

https://cases.primeclerk.com/aceto/Home-DownloadPDF?id1=MTA4MTAwOA==&id2=0

Page 61, down toward the bottom. Search “Ebonite”, you’ll find it.

Whether they filed or not, they are involved somehow.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Bowler19525 on January 20, 2020, 02:42:23 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....

https://cases.primeclerk.com/aceto/Home-DownloadPDF?id1=MTA4MTAwOA==&id2=0

Page 61, down toward the bottom. Search “Ebonite”, you’ll find it.

Whether they filed or not, they are involved somehow.

This isn't related to Ebonite declaring bankruptcy.  This looks to be a filing by Aceto Corporation listing all of the companies they notified of their [Aceto's] intent to declare Chapter 11.  Ebonite probably had dealings with them for chemicals/raw materials and was simply listed in the filing.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Dave81644 on January 20, 2020, 08:07:46 PM
Market wasn't shrinking, was on year 3 of growth.
20 years of decline, 3 years flat and then 3 years growth so far.
Whats next? Who knows, maybe the timing was right to sell, maybe they were as far as they could go.
Owners/Investors got a good ROI and made a business decision

only Osha violation I found is from 2016, nothing major, $6,300.00 fine
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=&major_industry_sum=&primary_offense_sum=&agency_sum=&agency_sum_st=&hq_id_sum=&company_op=starts&company=ebonite&major_industry%5B%5D=&case_category=&all_offense%5B%5D=&penalty_op=%3E&penalty=&govt_level=&agency_code%5B%5D=&agency_code_st%5B%5D=&pen_year%5B%5D=&pres_term=&free_text=&case_type=&ownership%5B%5D=&hq_id=&naics%5B%5D=&state=&city=

The bankruptcy filing you mentioned had nothing to do with Ebonite International end of things.

Factory was old, definitely looked that way when I did the tour last fall
but they were pouring 20 hours a day/6 days a week.
They couldn't keep up.

Doesn't much matter now, every single person in that building lost their job, including the CEO. Some got on with Brunswick and other companies.
Some did not.

Just sad to see jobs lost to Mexico
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Jesse James on January 21, 2020, 04:17:38 PM
Market wasn't shrinking, was on year 3 of growth.
20 years of decline, 3 years flat and then 3 years growth so far.
Whats next? Who knows, maybe the timing was right to sell, maybe they were as far as they could go.
Owners/Investors got a good ROI and made a business decision

only Osha violation I found is from 2016, nothing major, $6,300.00 fine
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=&major_industry_sum=&primary_offense_sum=&agency_sum=&agency_sum_st=&hq_id_sum=&company_op=starts&company=ebonite&major_industry%5B%5D=&case_category=&all_offense%5B%5D=&penalty_op=%3E&penalty=&govt_level=&agency_code%5B%5D=&agency_code_st%5B%5D=&pen_year%5B%5D=&pres_term=&free_text=&case_type=&ownership%5B%5D=&hq_id=&naics%5B%5D=&state=&city=

The bankruptcy filing you mentioned had nothing to do with Ebonite International end of things.

Factory was old, definitely looked that way when I did the tour last fall
but they were pouring 20 hours a day/6 days a week.
They couldn't keep up.

Doesn't much matter now, every single person in that building lost their job, including the CEO. Some got on with Brunswick and other companies.
Some did not.

Just sad to see jobs lost to Mexico

I was shown a picture of the insides of their plant. Much like many older buildings, their main girders, exposed in the rafters were covered with asbestos! I worked at a private company for 37 years, and it was built similarly. OSHA cited us and ultimately the cost to cover and/or remove it was too much to bear. They destroyed the old building and built a new one! Just because you didn't find a citation in your research does not mean a citation wasn't coming down the road! Either way, they made a business decision!!
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: T889 on January 21, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Was just curious how you could tell that the beams were covered in asbestos? Just because the insulation is sprayed on doesn’t mean it is asbestos. That way of insulation is still used widely and it does not contain asbestos.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: rvmark on January 21, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
I looked at the bankruptcy filing that was referenced.  It was Aceto Corporation that file for Chapter 11 and Ebonite International was simply listed on the service list meaning that they were served notice of Aceto Corporations filing, they were either a creditor or a customer of Aceto Corporations.  Has nothing to do with Ebonite and in no way means that they filed for bankruptcy.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BeerLeague on January 22, 2020, 07:49:31 AM
True or not I have no idea but I was told the only brand they are keeping is Hammer.  Everything else is gone.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: themagician on January 22, 2020, 10:06:36 AM
True or not I have no idea but I was told the only brand they are keeping is Hammer.  Everything else is gone.

I'd be pretty surprised at that since they started the magnificent 7 marketing and paid to register all the brands with the PBA
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 22, 2020, 12:13:32 PM
I'm hearing 6 months or so
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: DP3 on January 22, 2020, 02:02:29 PM
True or not I have no idea but I was told the only brand they are keeping is Hammer.  Everything else is gone.

False.

Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BrunsNick on January 22, 2020, 06:23:50 PM
All 7 brands are PBA registered for the next 3 years. The first new balls from our new brands will be out soon.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: themagician on January 23, 2020, 07:38:42 AM
All 7 brands are PBA registered for the next 3 years. The first new balls from our new brands will be out soon.

Thanks for chiming in, Nick!

Interested to see the new pieces and what, if anything tech wise comes over from the old EBI stuff (cores etc).
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BrunsNick on January 23, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
It will be an exciting year for sure, there is a lot to look forward to.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 23, 2020, 10:30:07 AM
So are they still going to make anything current like GBs, Beasts, Messengers, Destinys, Ballers, Chaos, Webs, Sauce, Vibes, etc...?
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BrunsNick on January 23, 2020, 12:09:28 PM
Can't comment on future product strategy, sorry.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 23, 2020, 01:18:15 PM
Thanks by the way for the update Nick.  Looking forward to seeing what the rest of the year holds.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Skip H on January 23, 2020, 01:32:25 PM
Just my opinion here but I would think that they need to try to replicate the Purple. If they can duplicate it that will likely go a long way and the price of the remaining few to be found would drop.  Show that you can't duplicate it and you'll see even more people run to storm and motiv. Try to avoid balls previously made by EBI and it'll look like you give up on trying to make the same or better quality.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: bradl on January 23, 2020, 02:06:41 PM
Just my opinion here but I would think that they need to try to replicate the Purple. If they can duplicate it that will likely go a long way and the price of the remaining few to be found would drop.  Show that you can't duplicate it and you'll see even more people run to storm and motiv. Try to avoid balls previously made by EBI and it'll look like you give up on trying to make the same or better quality.

But they also have to worry about overlap as well, because there were urethane Rhinos, Phantoms, and the like that Brunswick already has available or can easily reproduce. While I get that it is brand specific, I could see where some things could fall by the wayside, but not others, especially if it is one of the most popular balls EBI has produced.

I see a lot of potential, but will be interested to see how what Brunswick can do with that potential will be implemented.

BL.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Skip H on January 23, 2020, 02:16:23 PM
Just my opinion here but I would think that they need to try to replicate the Purple. If they can duplicate it that will likely go a long way and the price of the remaining few to be found would drop.  Show that you can't duplicate it and you'll see even more people run to storm and motiv. Try to avoid balls previously made by EBI and it'll look like you give up on trying to make the same or better quality.

But they also have to worry about overlap as well, because there were urethane Rhinos, Phantoms, and the like that Brunswick already has available or can easily reproduce. While I get that it is brand specific, I could see where some things could fall by the wayside, but not others, especially if it is one of the most popular balls EBI has produced.

I see a lot of potential, but will be interested to see how what Brunswick can do with that potential will be implemented.

BL.


I agree. Does one company need 7 or 8 similar pieces? Probably not. Probably why EBI didn't have any current urethane in the Track, Columbia or Ebonite lines.  I should stay out of the discussion really.  Other than wanting to try a Quantum Bias Pearl and having some old Hammers most of what I throw is from Utah.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: itsallaboutme on January 23, 2020, 03:08:54 PM
Figuring out balls will be the easy part. 

Try coming up with names and colors for 7 different brands. 
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: bradl on January 23, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Figuring out balls will be the easy part. 

Try coming up with names and colors for 7 different brands.

It's the new Teal Black Widow Platinum Phantom Pro! With its sister ball, the Raw Bad No Mercy Thug Intentions Zone!

Aww c'mon, we gotta have some fun with this one!  :P

BL.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 24, 2020, 10:33:46 AM
Figuring out balls will be the easy part. 

Try coming up with names and colors for 7 different brands.

They should drop DV8. That could free up a little creative time and administrative time. The rest of the brands have actual recognizable history behind them.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 24, 2020, 10:47:28 AM
Figuring out balls will be the easy part. 

Try coming up with names and colors for 7 different brands.

They should drop DV8. That could free up a little creative time and administrative time. The rest of the brands have actual recognizable history behind them.

+1.  That brand has some decent balls but have such a negative opinion of the marketing I generally don't pay much attention.  Pretty telling how I have a ton of  Brunswick and even a fair amount of Radical but like one DV8 ball which picked up on sale due to word of mouth.  Kind of meh too so yeah DV8 not on my radar at all.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Steven on January 24, 2020, 02:50:02 PM
Figuring out balls will be the easy part. 

Try coming up with names and colors for 7 different brands.

They should drop DV8. That could free up a little creative time and administrative time. The rest of the brands have actual recognizable history behind them.

+1.  That brand has some decent balls but have such a negative opinion of the marketing I generally don't pay much attention.  Pretty telling how I have a ton of  Brunswick and even a fair amount of Radical but like one DV8 ball which picked up on sale due to word of mouth.  Kind of meh too so yeah DV8 not on my radar at all.

 
Now that Brunswick is one of the two Elephants in the room, DV8 will get more attention. I picked up a Verge a few months ago, and it's a great heavier oil symmetric. The quality is there. Again, the brand will be getting more press.
 
I don't have a crystal ball, but I believe the EBI brands will play a secondary roll in the Brunswick universe. I'm guessing the # of EBI balls to be released will be a few per brand and nothing compared to what we saw previously. Of course, I could end up having my head up my arse.  ;)
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: MI 2 AZ on January 24, 2020, 04:55:49 PM
Steven, say 'Hello'.

If you don't hear an echo, you're okay.   : )


Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: SVstar34 on January 28, 2020, 11:49:14 AM
We might have our first look. On the approved list today

Hammer Fugitive
Hammer Redemption Solid
Hammer Redemption Pearl
Ebonite Allure

Assuming the Ebonite Omni Solid got sent overseas like the pearl
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: bradl on January 28, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
We might have our first look. On the approved list today

Hammer Fugitive
Hammer Redemption Solid
Hammer Redemption Pearl
Ebonite Allure

Assuming the Ebonite Omni Solid got sent overseas like the pearl

Time to have a look overseas, especially since one distributor over there just advertised new MoRich balls coming to their shops...  ???

BL.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: storm making it rain on January 28, 2020, 12:14:01 PM
We might have our first look. On the approved list today

Hammer Fugitive
Hammer Redemption Solid
Hammer Redemption Pearl
Ebonite Allure

Assuming the Ebonite Omni Solid got sent overseas like the pearl

Omni will be a US release as well according to the email I got today
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: SVstar34 on January 28, 2020, 12:38:50 PM
The Redemption Solid screams Hammer with bold orange, black, and white colors and extremely aggressive ball motion. The Redemption Solid flat out hooks and needs a lot of oil as the cover and finish are as strong as the Hammer line has ever seen. The new Redemption core also has strong numbers for more overall hook. If that doesn’t excite you enough, the Redemption core also has DOT, which, of course, allows you to drill anywhere and makes these tough balls even tougher. Along with DOT is an orange inner core and the outer core is infused with carbon fiber.

The Redemption Pearl goes long and finishes strong! The Aggression NE Pearl cover makes its way through the heads easily and has a sharp breakpoint. Hammerheads will love the Redemption Pearl when the Redemption Solid has burned up the lane and you need a high-end ball to get down there and deliver big backend motion and devastating hitting power.

The Fugitive is Hammer’s newest mid-performance release. This delivers with a strong skid-flip motion and works excellent on broken down lanes. The Fugitive’s red and silver colors pop going down the lane, especially when it makes the turn at the breakpoint. The Fugitive features a Hammerhead favorite, Juiced Pearl, and a new low RG and high Differential symmetric core. Fugitive also has an orange core and carbon fiber outer to keep those Hammer fans happy!

Omni is the newest addition to the Ebonite line up. All our testers loved the Omni for its versatility. It reminded everyone of the famous V2, not only because of the familiar black and blue colors, but the usability it provides on so many conditions for many styles. The Omni core is a new asymmetric shape for the Ebonite line, and the outer core has the proven DynamiCore technology for more power at impact. Ebonite fans will love that the Omni uses characteristics of the popular GSV 2.0 cover.

There is plenty to be attracted to when talking about the new Ebonite Allure. The Allure features the new symmetric Allure core shape with great numbers for strong mid-lane and continuation along with DynamiCore. Allure is a shiny pearl that uses a new version of the proven Traxion cover. Allure was a favorite among all testers and will make its way into lots of bags this season.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: SVstar34 on January 28, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
https://strikingdynamicxproshop.com/collections/pre-order

The only one that looks real interesting to me is the Allure. The core looks somewhat s.imilar to the Inferno core
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 28, 2020, 02:43:36 PM
Buddies Pro Shop already has these balls along with the core shapes and specs on their site. 
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: bradl on January 29, 2020, 12:55:01 PM
Buddies Pro Shop already has these balls along with the core shapes and specs on their site.

Bowlersmart also has these up as well, though I'm not seeing in their specs list for both Redemptions that the core, let alone the cover, is CFI.

And interestingly enough, as of this morning, neither Ebonite's nor Hammer's sites have been updated showing the new gear.

BL.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: stormed1 on January 29, 2020, 04:16:16 PM
Street date 2/20/20

Redemption Solid

COLOR: Black/Orange/White
COVERSTOCK: Aggression NE Solid
CORE: Redemption
FINISH: 360,500,2000 Siaair Micro Pad
REACTION: Aggressive Hook
LANE CONDITION: Heavy Oil
WEIGHTS: 12-16 lbs.

Redemption Pearl

COLOR: Black/Blue/Gold
COVERSTOCK: Aggression NE Pearl
CORE: Redemption
FINISH: 500 Siaair/Crown Factory Compound
REACTION: Aggressive Backend
LANE CONDITION: Medium to Heavy Oil
WEIGHTS: 12-16 lbs.

Fugitive

COLOR: Red/Silver
COVERSTOCK: Juiced Pearl
CORE: Fugitive
FINISH: 500,1000 Siaair/Crown Factory Compound
REACTION: Skid Flip
LANE CONDITION: Medium Oil
WEIGHTS: 12-16 lbs.
 
Omni

COLOR: Black/Blue
COVERSTOCK: GSV 2.0
CORE: Omni
FINISH: 500,2000 Siaair Micro Pad
REACTION: Strong Midlane and Backend
LANE CONDITION: Heavy Oil
WEIGHTS: 12-16 lbs.

Allure

COLOR: Purple/Silver
COVERSTOCK: Traxion SF
CORE: Allure
FINISH: 500,1000,3000 Siaair/Crown Factory Compound
REACTION: Strong Backend
LANE CONDITION: Medium Oil
WEIGHTS: 12-16 lbs.

Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: themagician on January 29, 2020, 04:49:14 PM
Mike Dole shared photos of them, and the local staffer to me had a shipping notice so these are out in the wild already.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: DP3 on February 04, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
I hear that Ebonite Mastermind rolls good.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: CoorZero on February 04, 2020, 03:10:29 PM
I hear that Ebonite Mastermind rolls good.

... Well look at that. The numbers are slightly different, but that shape is damn near identical. Just without the Brunswick crown. I bet it does roll good. Going to have to keep an eye on that one.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 04, 2020, 04:12:21 PM
Take Brunswick cores and Brunswick coverstocks, put them together and brand them 6 different companies.... Radical kind of does their own thing.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: DP3 on February 04, 2020, 09:14:33 PM
Redemptions kinda look like the Thug core pinned at the bottom.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: CoorZero on February 04, 2020, 09:41:41 PM
It makes sense though. Brunswick isn't going to start producing cores that EBI was working on right away, they haven't had near enough time to test that stuff out yet. So here comes the re-brands and maybe things they've been working on but didn't make the final cuts when their other releases came out.

I'm wondering that the GSV 2.0 coverstock actually is on the Omni. We know it's not that, and it would be different resin bases with the same formula anyways. Man if that actually does roll like a Mastermind... I had the Intellect and still have the Einstein. Great, great balls.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: Bowl_Freak on February 05, 2020, 08:36:00 AM
They just announced 4 new balls from the new brands, and now 4 new balls from Bruns/Radical/DV8. 8 new balls in the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: bradl on February 05, 2020, 12:20:20 PM
It makes sense though. Brunswick isn't going to start producing cores that EBI was working on right away, they haven't had near enough time to test that stuff out yet. So here comes the re-brands and maybe things they've been working on but didn't make the final cuts when their other releases came out.

I'm wondering that the GSV 2.0 coverstock actually is on the Omni. We know it's not that, and it would be different resin bases with the same formula anyways. Man if that actually does roll like a Mastermind... I had the Intellect and still have the Einstein. Great, great balls.

The GSV2.0 is on the Omni, as the Omni Pearl was already shipped overseas with the GSV 2.0 pearl coverstock on it. So those balls were already poured , and more than likely poured in Hopkinsville.

BL.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: DP3 on February 05, 2020, 01:09:42 PM
The overseas Omni has a completely different block and no dynamicore so those were definitely poured before the closure. The US Omni solid is poured in the Brunswick plant. Coverstock formulas are shipped around all the time, as Brunswick and 900 Global have poured Storm balls with Reactor and other covers before.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: themagician on February 05, 2020, 05:15:12 PM
Hammer's teaser video with Bohn's kid for the Redemption solid wasn't all that impressive. Ball looked early and lazy, could be layout/pattern he was on, but definitely didn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: SVstar34 on February 05, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Hammer's teaser video with Bohn's kid for the Redemption solid wasn't all that impressive. Ball looked early and lazy, could be layout/pattern he was on, but definitely didn't do anything for me.

I personally don't have high expectations on either of the Redemptions. Core looks almost exactly like the Thug core which I don't remember it being liked by a lot. Motion seemed really hit or miss

Omni looks like it could be really good depending on the cover.

Allure and Fugitive both look like good house shot balls
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 06, 2020, 11:54:34 AM
Hammer's teaser video with Bohn's kid for the Redemption solid wasn't all that impressive. Ball looked early and lazy, could be layout/pattern he was on, but definitely didn't do anything for me.

Yeah ball was in it's roll phase at the arrows.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on February 06, 2020, 02:25:09 PM
Sure has been a lot of super early super strong balls come out lately.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: DP3 on February 06, 2020, 04:54:58 PM
It seems like companies are making "tour first" balls that can read in those huge loads of oil in the fronts and mids. The league bowlers are going to buy the new stuff regardless.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: ignitebowling on February 06, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
It seems like companies are making "tour first" balls that can read in those huge loads of oil in the fronts and mids. The league bowlers are going to buy the new stuff regardless.

Most bowlers dont understand ball reaction,  or the importance of surface.  Fire up the less then 5 games sale ads
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on February 06, 2020, 06:14:16 PM
It seems like companies are making "tour first" balls that can read in those huge loads of oil in the fronts and mids. The league bowlers are going to buy the new stuff regardless.

Most bowlers dont understand ball reaction,  or the importance of surface.  Fire up the less then 5 games sale ads

The entire industry is predicated on Moar Hook.   At least they generally release balls that are actually usable on house shot closer to summer.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 06, 2020, 10:14:08 PM
It seems like companies are making "tour first" balls that can read in those huge loads of oil in the fronts and mids. The league bowlers are going to buy the new stuff regardless.

Most bowlers dont understand ball reaction,  or the importance of surface.  Fire up the less then 5 games sale ads

The entire industry is predicated on Moar Hook.   At least they generally release balls that are actually usable on house shot closer to summer.

The way I typically see it is actually this time of year more “Nationals geared” equipment is released. Example - Axiom. Bowl expo we’ll see more league bowler stuff and again in August.
Title: Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
Post by: SVstar34 on February 18, 2020, 12:26:54 PM
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15lb (2.511/.045) QR8 Solid - Dark Purple/Light Purple

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