BallReviews
General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Good Times Good Times on January 24, 2020, 12:10:47 PM
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Had an interesting question posed to me.........
"What 1 ball from your LEAST favorite brand/manufacturer looks most appealing to you?"
I would go with DV8 Frequency.
How's bout you?
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Uppercut, just from aesthetics.
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Swag Incredible. Motion on that ball looks decent (good backend for asym solid) but that brand yeah woof. Short of scribbling some penises on the ball not sure how you can go for less shelf appeal than their labels.
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Lord Field Blizzard Blast. Ball just looks like it eats oil and a good color combo as well
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There is really nothing inherently wrong with DV8 other than their marketing strategy. The products are actually really good. I have recommended DV8 products to a couple of bowlers who were totally outside of their target market who had really good success with them. The new Warrant looks amazing.
That being said, the 1 ball from my least favorite manufacturer that looks most appealing to me is the Storm Phaze III. It seems like it could be a very reliable ball for most house shots.
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Dv8 poison pearl...
I got that pyramid pathogen and the green just looks so good going down the lane...
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Phaze 3 never been a storm guy but this ball seems interesting
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I don't look at ball reaction videos on YouTube of companies I don't like unless I'm heckling Phil.
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DV8 Verge
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I don't look at ball reaction videos on YouTube of companies I don't like unless I'm heckling Phil.
Same or I’m mocking Mo Pinel. According to Mo Pinel, pin down balls “don’t workâ€. Ok, I’m really going to listen to a man who doesn’t brush his teeth.
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I don't look at ball reaction videos on YouTube of companies I don't like unless I'm heckling Phil.
Same or I’m mocking Mo Pinel. According to Mo Pinel, pin down balls “don’t workâ€. Ok, I’m really going to listen to man who doesn’t brush his teeth.
Wow, that's Radical
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Hmmm, I haven't been too interested in Storm for a while, but that Phaze III looks pretty amazing.
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Much of Mo's advice seems to revolve around the idea that bowling is a business and that in order to make money, pro-shop and centers need all those people who just go in for 3 games of league and really can't roll it that good, to have amazing ball reaction.
Thus, my impression that quotes such as pin down "don't work" is because you are not getting the most reaction out of a ball that is going into the hands of a mediocre bowler on an easy house shot, and you want the ball reaction to be great no matter how it is thrown.
I suspect that this has led to certain bias on his part. The recent video of him talking about urethane, and saying what seems to be ridiculous things - such that the pro's will have like 5 urethane balls in 1 tournament, and they can only use it for like a game or two and then the surface is gone, and they have to have reps do all this work on the balls. Well, it was sort of absurd.
He does sort of have point however. If bowling in a business, and we need all those mediocre bowlers coming back each week and also convince them to buy a new ball each year, then selling them urethane doesn't make any sense.
And sure, if you need to get every possible board of hook from a speed dominant bowler with 175 rev rate on house shot - to make them feel great about their bowling without them actually bowling better - Yeah, better drill 4 inch deep thumb holes, of widest slug you have to maximize hook and whatever other tricks Mo has.
I'm not criticizing this perspective. Just saying that when his quotes circulate that pin down "don't work," it's probably best to just ignore it, unless you run a proshop and need to sell a new ball to the below avg league bowler who wants to buy more hook.
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Brad Miller posted on his most recent upload that he was drilling a new Pitch Black because his old one had soaked up quite a bit of oil after a lot of use. I didn't think that urethane absorbed oil, but who knows. That being said, perhaps there is some validity to the extent to which the touring players rely on urethane these days?
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Brad Miller posted on his most recent upload that he was drilling a new Pitch Black because his old one had soaked up quite a bit of oil after a lot of use. I didn't think that urethane absorbed oil, but who knows. That being said, perhaps there is some validity to the extent to which the touring players rely on urethane these days?
They do soak up oil, just at a much, much slower rate. For the most part the oil sits on the cover, which is why they typically carry better early on and start leaving corners as the set progresses. Now, if we could only clean them every game with a USBC approved cleaner...
(Subtle Dig Intended, not that they are listening) 8)
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Much of Mo's advice seems to revolve around the idea that bowling is a business and that in order to make money, pro-shop and centers need all those people who just go in for 3 games of league and really can't roll it that good, to have amazing ball reaction.
Thus, my impression that quotes such as pin down "don't work" is because you are not getting the most reaction out of a ball that is going into the hands of a mediocre bowler on an easy house shot, and you want the ball reaction to be great no matter how it is thrown.
I suspect that this has led to certain bias on his part. The recent video of him talking about urethane, and saying what seems to be ridiculous things - such that the pro's will have like 5 urethane balls in 1 tournament, and they can only use it for like a game or two and then the surface is gone, and they have to have reps do all this work on the balls. Well, it was sort of absurd.
He does sort of have point however. If bowling in a business, and we need all those mediocre bowlers coming back each week and also convince them to buy a new ball each year, then selling them urethane doesn't make any sense.
And sure, if you need to get every possible board of hook from a speed dominant bowler with 175 rev rate on house shot - to make them feel great about their bowling without them actually bowling better - Yeah, better drill 4 inch deep thumb holes, of widest slug you have to maximize hook and whatever other tricks Mo has.
I'm not criticizing this perspective. Just saying that when his quotes circulate that pin down "don't work," it's probably best to just ignore it, unless you run a proshop and need to sell a new ball to the below avg league bowler who wants to buy more hook.
Never mind that the balls Phil has designed in the past seemed to just work for league bowlers without requiring very specific drillings and Mo's tended to be very hit or miss or condition specific.
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Despite having throwbot and videos of pin up and pin down balls being very similar for most bowlers Mo focuses on core numbers. More has to be more better despite the differences being hundredths of an inch when comparing pin up vs down.
In his seminar on comparing the two he uses a 5" pin down vs a 3.5" pin up….. And the pin up flared more and had a "better" pin to spin line etc. When you have to skew numbers to create a difference and make your point valid it's sad. You muddy the waters and make it harder for people to learn and have a correct understanding of what really matters in ball reaction.
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Despite having throwbot and videos of pin up and pin down balls being very similar for most bowlers Mo focuses on core numbers. More has to be more better despite the differences being hundredths of an inch when comparing pin up vs down.
In his seminar on comparing the two he uses a 5" pin down vs a 3.5" pin up….. And the pin up flared more and had a "better" pin to spin line etc. When you have to skew numbers to create a difference and make your point valid it's sad. You muddy the waters and make it harder for people to learn and have a correct understanding of what really matters in ball reaction.
This is just a kind way of saying he’s a clown who manipulates data to suit his argument. I’ll be frank, he’s a damn dope and any entity he’s affiliated with is trash to me.
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Despite having throwbot and videos of pin up and pin down balls being very similar for most bowlers Mo focuses on core numbers. More has to be more better despite the differences being hundredths of an inch when comparing pin up vs down.
In his seminar on comparing the two he uses a 5" pin down vs a 3.5" pin up….. And the pin up flared more and had a "better" pin to spin line etc. When you have to skew numbers to create a difference and make your point valid it's sad. You muddy the waters and make it harder for people to learn and have a correct understanding of what really matters in ball reaction.
This is just a kind way of saying he’s a clown who manipulates data to suit his argument. I’ll be frank, he’s a damn dope and any entity he’s affiliated with is trash to me.
You know, I have to say that Mo has had some home runs. Guy has brains. But there are noticable gaps in his judgement. I also can't agree to use a weak ball drilled really strong vs calming down the reaction with surface and layout. As for the urethane vs short pin debate, each have their merits, each have their downfalls. I've been using short pins for over 20 years when I needed to grind out a game. Tidal Wave, Predator, Track Money, Silver Diamond. But on a wall, the cover is still dominant. So when I threw that Covert Tank, it had enough diff to not be allergic to the pattern, but I couldn't get it to jackknife no matter HOW much I got around it. The short pin would make me be too accurate.
Now the pin down thing... Yeah. So going pin down to decrease the diff isn't ideal, but laying the core down to decrease it is?
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Just wondering where all the Radical light oil asyms are, personally? If it's that important like he keeps saying to give the ball driller more options?
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Mo is gonna be Mo! No matter what we say!
I have pin up and pin down balls of the same make. I use the pin downs when I would like to stay in the same area but can't get the ten pin out regularly. The object is to get the ball to slow down correctly to take out the corners. It works for me!
I have weak balls drilled aggressively as well. These balls tend to be a bit more versatile than they were originally intended, or designed for.
This is just my take!
P.S. I do surface adjustments as well when needed. I do what works for me from trial and error! different strokes for different folks!