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seadrive

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Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« on: January 02, 2004, 10:39:48 PM »
If you only make a single forward/backward pass of one of our modern lane-dressing wonder machines (e.g. Phoenix-S) over a wooden lane, after two days of open bowling and no lane stripping, will the backends be as "clean" as if you had stripped and oiled each day?

The house where I bowl has a Phoenix-S, they never change the program, and they oil before each league session.  But the shot on Sunday night (not stripped/oiled since Friday) is different than the shot on Thursday night (stripped/oiled Tuesday and Wednesday nights).

I went to practice last night, Friday.  The manager was oiling the lanes for the 7:30 league, so he oiled a pair for me to practice on.  I couldn't believe how snappy the backends were, even moreso than what I typically see on Thursday, which is much snappier than Sunday.

Could it be because some of the oil pushed down the lane to the backends during the weekend, takes several passes with the machine to remove, and the backends get progressively cleaner as the week goes on?

The manager says no, but I say yes.  Remember, these are somewhat old wooden lanes.  They're in decent shape, but they have a fair amount of wear.

What say you?
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2004, 05:08:38 PM »
It depends on the cleaner being used as well. I'm familar with some of the kegel products, like defense and fusion. I am also familar with the Polychem products which in my opionion are very underrated!

the polychem stripping fluid is one of the best cleaners out there. I have seen fuzion in action and it's very good as well, but i have heard of re-calls on both fuzion and on the Defense Lane oils.

It depends sometimes as well how long the oils have been sitting on the lane. from past experiences, if you oil and let the oil sit for an hour ( on synthetic surface) it usually doesn't carrydown as fast and the oil has a chance to settle, also the clean has time to fully evapourate from the lane.

Also the Phoenix series of machines are very good, and a better value for most centers compared to the Blue and red kegel machines. The only problem with the Phoenix is the Vaccum pumps tend to break a little more often than on some other machines so it does limit there ability to strip the backends perfectly.

Also i've seen a pheonix machine run twice on the same lane, and then the following lane was run just once. the difference was tighter backends with out a doubt. IF the first pass makes the backends clean this second pass makes them Squeaky clean.


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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2004, 09:24:33 AM »
Thanks Dude, I appreciate the info.

I'm pretty sure they use Defense oil, but I have no idea what the stripping fluid is.
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2004, 10:26:30 AM »
I agree with you Dude the Phoenix is probably the best newer tech lane conditioning machines out there.  Vacuum pumps are their weakest part in the machine.  The other thing you see frequently is strainer/filter problems with cleaner foaming up and not going thru the machine nozzles correctly.  

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seadrive

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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2004, 11:46:06 AM »
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When you compared lane conditions on different nights did you use the same pair of lanes?

I'm speaking in general terms. Over the course of the season thus far, I've bowled on every pair in the house that's used by each league (8 teams on Sunday, 12 teams on Thursday, 16 lane house), and in general, the backends on Thursday are snappier than they are on Sunday.

Thanks for your insights!
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2004, 12:28:06 PM »
No problem, glad to help.

Usually the biggest problem with longer oil patterns is ball returns and out of range calls. It usually takes a while for there to be out of range problems. usually it can be solved by taking a mop and spraying some soapy water it makes the deck just a little bit tacky, enough to prevent those problems. as for ball returns if they clean the urethane belts(AMF Machines) and the U tracks on the Brunswick machines they should have no problems.

I also recently saw a modification for brunswick machines that eliminates 90% of ball returns, instead of rubber strips, the ball wheel was slowed down and a metal nub was installed on it, and pushed the ball up. brilliant idea.
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2004, 01:36:49 PM »
seadrive, this is my problem on our mixed league. Sometimes he strips, sometimes he doesn't!  When he doesn't it's tough, when he does, it's just a heavy shot with a halfway decent backend.......just my .02
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 01:50:52 PM »
seadrive i bowl at a 12 lane house that only runs
 the lane machine on league (phoenix-s)strip and oil
i only bowl mondays after no oil on saturday and sunday
we get alot of carry down some weeks. the guys that
bowl wed. thurs. say theres a big difference.NO CARRY DOWN
on the other nites after 2 or 3 days of running the machine
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2004, 01:51:59 PM »
seadrive i bowl at a 12 lane house that only runs
 the lane machine on league (phoenix-s)strip and oil
i only bowl mondays after no oil on saturday and sunday
we get alot of carry down some weeks. the guys that
bowl wed. thurs. say theres a big difference.NO CARRY DOWN
on the other nites after 2 or 3 days of running the machine
 mike
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seadrive

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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2004, 02:08:33 PM »
Thanks Mike, glad to hear I'm not the only one.  Misery loves company, ya know!

Actually, I'm not complaining.  It helps keep me on my toes, and makes me roll the ball well to strike.  With ever-present squeaky clean backends, you can roll the ball poorly, and still get the entry angle you need to carry.
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2004, 08:28:20 PM »
Sounds like there is probably a combination of things. The cleaner he is using can have a big impact. The old Green Clean type products just don't cut the new oils well enough or fast enough and can explain the gradual increase in reaction over the week. Another factor with old wood lanes and this horrible habit that too many centers have of not oiling on weekends, your ball may very well be losing energy due to the oil soaking into the lane so fast on Sunday. If left unconditioned the pores of the wood would open up and lanes get very dry. Once oil is ran the wood will absorb the oil at a faster rate. While logic would say this should make the ball hook alot more, the ball (especially high end balls) can lose too much energy and thus lose hook especially at the backend. What happens if a mild ball, maybe polished or something polished with a long pin is used on Monday. Does it still not react on the backends or is there more reaction? Could tell you more about what is on the end, if you have not tried this already.
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Re: Lane Machine Stripping Efficiency
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2004, 08:33:23 PM »
I was bowling the other day when our lane operator was oiling the lanes.  He kind of used me to check them out.  He noticed that his machine wasn't stripping all the lanes properly.  They stripped 3 and 4 great, but lanes 5 and 6 did not strip at all, and consequently, no backend.  He actually went and wiped down the backends by hand, then went to figure out what was wrong with the machine.  My guess is that many lane operators don't even bother to check.  The just set the machine and let it do it's thing, right or wrong.
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