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Djarum

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To average, or not to average
« on: September 26, 2005, 04:19:56 AM »
Everyone,

This is sort of a moral delimma. I currently bowl on a mixed league that has 80 percent of 200 handicap. Normally I would not complain about this, but 1/3 of the men on our league have 215 + averages, and another 1/3 have 200-215. Now, I can average around 200 on this league. In fact right now it is 198. But what is the point. Even if I can average 200 -205 (which I believe I can do), I am really spotting the 215+ average bowler pins. If on most nights everyone averages, I will still lose. But, If I keep my average in the 190's, I get at least a few pins, which could make the difference in winning for my team.

Any thoughts?

Dj

 

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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2005, 12:23:02 PM »
IMO, anything less than your best, is sandbagging. Why would you want to NOT do the best you can ? This has always been a mystery to me.
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Djarum

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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2005, 12:47:42 PM »
I would agree with both comments, but I have been bowling for 10 years, and I have not ever been able to average better than 205. I practice 6 games a week and have had coaches and all that. I am a very consistent bowler. I bowl 200 average with a standard deviation of maybe 10 on any given night. I could also argue that the reason the league voted for the 80% of 200 instead of the 80 percent of 210 or 90 percent of 210 like other leagues is so that they have an advantage. I am not saying they shouldn't because they are the better bowlers, but this is a mixed handicap league. Even with 80 percent of 210 I would get 8 sticks. If I average 200, they still have me by 10 -15 pins, instead of 20 -25 pins.

I looked at the teams assembled, and every team except ours has a bowler with 220 average or better. This means I have to rely on 3 bowlers with handicap to bowl better than their average, and I just have to average to win. I guess what I am saying is that the 220 average bowler can easily bowl 240 where I rarely bowl 220. The bowler would have to bowl less than 200 for me to win, assuming on that game I threw a 200. Most 220 avg bowlers on the league don't have that kind of inconsistency.

What is the point of bowling your best when its hard to beat the top score bowler on the other team? Isn't the point winning? I am not suggesting sandbagging, it's an issue of handicap.

Dj

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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2005, 01:13:16 PM »
I'm in two different leagues. One uses 100% of 200 and the other uses 90% of 205. There's not a lot of math difference between the two, but in both, the 220+ guys cried like babies when those were voted on. IMO, it gave more people a level playing field than last years 80% of 200.

Math wise, I had to beat my average every night just to come close to the top 3 teams. This year we started in 1st in one and 2d in another. Granted we have slipped in one, but that's because we shot to many 'good' scores and haven't reached them , yet, consistently. I'm not a 200+ bowler and with the handicaps, I feel I have at least a chance to give the 'big boys' a run for their money.

I still think, not doing your best, is not an option, no matter what or how the handicaps are set. If everyone didn't feel they had a fair shot at winning, then why would they want to join a league ?

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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2005, 01:20:53 PM »
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What is the point of bowling your best when its hard to beat the top score bowler on the other team? Isn't the point winning? I am not suggesting sandbagging, it's an issue of handicap.
That's why in most hadicap leagues the teams that are stacked typically won't win...They just can't compete against a team that has two scratch caliper bowlers with two good handicap'rs.

As far as you own personal average...always try your best!  Worrying about a few pins of handicap within a league setting will get you no-where!!
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Djarum

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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2005, 01:30:39 PM »
Thanks for the replys. I am glad some people are sympathetic towards this circumstance. The league secretary said that the reason 80 percent of 200 was voted was because there were not enough 200 average bowlers and above to have a higher handicap. I argued that we have the same percent of 200+ handicap bowlers as does a few men's leagues(highly competitive) that have 80 percent of 210 and 90 percent of 220. We even have a higher percent of 215+ bowlers than that league.

Dj

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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2005, 02:43:38 PM »
I think my league is 90% of 220...

...but I did bowl in one league that was 80% of 230 in the past.
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Re: To average, or not to average
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2005, 05:01:35 PM »
Call a league meeting - see if they'll either consider raising the handicap average to 220, or go to negative handicap over 200.

Personally, I HATE negative handicap - I'd rather leagues be handicapped 100% to 300...

And I also hate people who sandbag for a few pins of handicap. If you average 190, and you get 80% of 10 pins, that gives you 198 as a net score. If you average 205, you don't get any handicap, but you still get MORE pins.
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