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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Ric Clint on June 06, 2003, 05:25:14 AM
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First of all, higher rev players, it seems like, use milder equipment and have to be more accurate... and low rev players can use stronger backending balls, which in turn gives them more area on the lane in case they miss a little wide, then the ball recovers and comes back to the pocket.
Does anybody else see it like this???
Thanks!
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But again, I wouldn't necessarily call Walter Ray Williams a high rev player. In fact, most of your strokers and power strokers tend to be on the average to below average revs.
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the majority of champions in the history of the pba tour are NOT what you would call high revolution players:
earl anthony---41 titles
walter ray williams, jr.---37 titles
parker bohn III---29 titles
mike aulby---27 titles
dick weber---26 titles
don johnson---26 titles
brian voss---22 titles
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On any shot that requires accuracy the strokers will have more success. Any tight shot they tend to have a better chance of hitting their mark. For a high rev player it is more difficult to make the ball roll over the same place and same breakpoint every time.
On a typical walled house shot I believe the high rev players have the advantage here. They can spray the lane within a 5 or 6 board area and hit the pocket all day and carry everything. Where as the strokers in the same situation can hit the pocket all day but leave more corners than anyone can count
--chris
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I guess you left Pete out cause he is a CRanker? No he has a pile O' revs but he is not a cranker. He has got at least 26 titles so his name should also be mentioned on here. Past problems or not he has gotta be one hell of a bowler to have that many titles. Shame on you for letting his name off the list. He deserves as much spotlight as the rest of them probably more in my eyes cause to have the problems he HAD and still win that much and come thru it all and be where he is at TODAY is worthy of a applause in itself.
Hate to turn this into a PDW topic but give the guy his due whether you LOVE him OR hate him.
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I guess you left Pete out cause he is a CRanker? No he has a pile O' revs but he is not a cranker. He has got at least 26 titles so his name should also be mentioned on here. Past problems or not he has gotta be one hell of a bowler to have that many titles. Shame on you for letting his name off the list. He deserves as much spotlight as the rest of them probably more in my eyes cause to have the problems he HAD and still win that much and come thru it all and be where he is at TODAY is worthy of a applause in itself.
Hate to turn this into a PDW topic but give the guy his due whether you LOVE him OR hate him.
Oh and around here the fluffers got it good they are that walled up.
A fluffer can hit 15-5 and carry the house crankers are stuck playing the soup where you cannot get a rubber tire to turn the corner or try and bounce it off a 1 board area before it comes crashing back to the brooklyn side of the pocket or shreds the rack for a big old splitarooni.
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I'm a little bit confused here. Greg put down a list of champions who are NOT high revolution players, and then PDW is said to be left off the list. The last time I checked, PDW seemed to be a high rev player!
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It seems to me there was a guy named Mark Roth crankin up a storm while Earl Anthony was winning a lot of titles. Of course Roth won his fair share too. ;-)
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Yep Jerry, it was Mark Roth that wrote the book on crankers! He started the whole cranking revolution out there that still goes on today. But, Mark kept his cranking well under control, or he sure wouldn't have won the tournaments that he did. Mark Roth is indeed THE cranker! I still get a kick out of seeing him on TV telecasts.
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I think there is no advantage between the two. Low rev players throw big hooking balls on a more direct line and the ball gives them more carry. High rev players can either play inside with the same ball, or paly outside with a weaker ball. With more revs usually comes more speed and causes more pin action. But at the same time, with today's equipment, almost any ball makes pins fly (unless your bowling the Peterson). Low revs rely on more accuracy, high revs rely on power. Of the bowlers round here, some of the best players have lower revs, but there are a lot of players as well that rip the cover off of the ball and have equal success. Of the three best lefties around here (my opinion) 1 has low revs, one has a ton of rev's, and the 3rd is inbetween. As far as the righties go, 2 are on Team USA (Scott Pohl and Sam Lantto) and both are on the lower rev dept., a few more who avg. 220+ are lower revs, but a load more are high rev's and avg just as high. My teammate avg. 225 in our league, almost 230 in another and shot a load of honor scores this year (279+ about 10 times). He is a no thumber, but is just as accurate as any "stroker" around.
Overall, I say its a draw.
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If I could only pick up a 7 pin.....
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buzzhead, pete weber was intentionally left off this list because he falls into the high rev/cranker/power player category. if you'll notice mark roth and marshall holman were left off as well. the fact that i despise pete weber had nothing to do with it----this time.
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High rev players SHOULD have more success, in my opinion. Low rev players only have more success because of new technology in bowling balls and when the lanes are purposely made tougher.
The more the new balls hook, the more they help low rev bowlers, gaining better carry and creating more area.
High rev bowlers don't need the balls to hook more. They can make it hook enough with all their revs and have better carry than strokers. The new hook in the box balls are usually too much ball for high rev players to even use, let alone control.
Oiling the lanes is supposed to be for protecting the wood. So, a laneman should not let the heads or track hook. This depletion of oil is bad for the lanes because they get worn out. So, if the laneman does his job properly, the heads will always be slick, the middles will never hook.
Therefore, the scores will always be high, and, the high rev players will have the advantage, like they should..!! =:^D
Edited on 6/7/2003 11:40 AM
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The way I see it, you have to have both power and accuracy in high degrees to win on the tour. Walter Ray William's ball may not look impressive, but he carries pretty darn good with it and your typical cranker would be hard pressed to carry any better on a PBA shot.
Pete Weber may cover a lot of boards, but I'd be willing to bet if you put him up against your typical house bowler stroker and had them both try to hit a coin out on the lane that Petey would consistently win that contest. Strokers have plenty of area to hit the pocket in league play, just not quite as extreme as the crankers enjoy.
Edited on 6/8/2003 5:05 PM
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I see it kind of like Belgarion does when he said, "On a tight shot, the strokers tend to have a better chance of hitting their mark. For a high rev player it is more difficult to make the ball roll over the same place and same breakpoint every time."
It just seems like the guys that are shooting the 300's and 800's around here are mostly straighter guys who keep their wrist flat, or straight, instead of cupped, or even slightly cupped. Where as, the power players, shoot really big one game and then shoot really low the next game.
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I don't know, I guess it just seems that the guy's throwing the bigger hooking balls are the ones scoring alot higher than the guy's throwing a more "accuracy-based" small controlled type hook.
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I think ACCURACY wins........always....
don't think High or Low Revs count for much to be honest....
check out the WPBA.....seems lots of low rev types kill there....as do the high rev types.....
the person who is the most ACCURATE wins..........no matter what the rev rate..
only my humble opinion as usual....lol....
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How many of the so called "accurate" low rev players have the courage and accuracy to play the 2 board? That's a phenomenal entry angle and carry percentage even for a low rev player IF you are accurate and consistent enough to hit that shot.
You got a whole dry board to miss on outside since oiling machines can't oil the one board. And if you tug it a board you will probably cross over and carry brooklyn due to the run away angle.
Yet how many low rev bowlers claiming they have to split boards to strike do you see playing where they have 3 boards to strike or at least leave a very easy spare? Talk is cheap...
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Think saw Norm Duke hit the 2 board 12 shots in a row for a perfect game not too long ago.....
Again...it is ACCURACY....executing the shot.....that is what matters...and isn't dependant upon rev rate......excute your shot.......that is the mantra....not hit it as hard or as soft as you can........
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Norm Duke is a phenomenal bowler who can do a lot of different things with a bowling ball, but I'd call him a tweener before I'd call him low rev. Of course what I had in mind in my post was your typical 8 rev dump it in the track league bowler, as opposed to pros. The Traber brothers own the twig and of course Walter Ray can play out there with anybody.
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I think in the case of league bowlers......that it is about equal.....though again the accuracy thing comes into play...but taking that out of the equation......
think high revs can create area/pin carry.....but then lose it as the lanes go.....
low revs may struggle on the big time oil...but as the game goes on the lanes come to them.....
think the answer is the middle..*laugh*....tweeners rule!!..
so as usual my post says basically nothing...lol
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It does not matter if you are a high rev, low rev or tweener bowler. What matters is repeating shots and the accuracy to make 95 to 98% of your spares. Those are the guys (or gals) who win tournaments.
DW
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To further prove what I'm talking about:
Just the other day, I watched a guy shoot 712 with a big flaring ball and he didn't hit the same target twice! It looked like the bigger flaring ball just simply created "area" for him. He could miss wide and the ball would recover and strike.
Where as, my friend was throwing a smaller controlled hook with a milder ball, and if he wasn't perfect, he wouldn't strike. If he missed wide like the other guy, then he'd leave a washout!
It just seems like the bigger hooking backending balls are helping the less accurate people score better!!!
Thanks!