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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Remmah on April 25, 2021, 11:07:54 AM
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Who was having the worse day Randy or Anthony?
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Anthony made his day worse by acting like a prima donna. Venting to the ball reps and stating it might be time for a career change? Complaining that the pin setters were bad on the right lane, then complaining they were bad on the left lane one game later? Blaming the lane when you blatantly miss your target? All on live TV? Unnecessary. Tom Clark needs to have a discussion with Anthony asap. His behavior was embarrassing.
Randy was doing his job and was asked for his opinion on why Anthony was struggling. Randy told it the way it was. He probably didn't want to have to go down that road, but did very well given the situation he was faced with.
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^^^ Totally agree. Everyone's playing on the same pair, and nobody else was whining. Simonson needs to quit blaming the equipment and focus on his game and make the shots like others are doing. Too much big success early probably wasn't helpful to his growth.
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For a guy who is so versatile he seems to have fallen into the trap of trying to over power every pattern by piping it up 10 board at 20+. Last time he was on he did the same thing with urethane and you could see he was in jail right away
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I was surprised to hear Randy be that open and honest when asked about Simonsen, but I didn't have a problem with it. I did have to chuckle a bit, however, because I believe Randy's last ever TV telecast ended with him screaming up into the bleachers at a guy who he felt intentionally made a noise as he delivered his final shot. But I digress.
Simonsen has more talent than most of us will ever dream of. The fact that he is capable of winning, playing straight, hooking the entire lane, and even switching to a backup ball is crazy. However, he doesn't seem to have a great deal of strength between the ears right now. We've heard about him getting into trouble for his outbursts during tournaments already, and this weekend's behavior was just sad. He's one of the greatest bowlers in the world, and he carried on like a disgruntled house hack.
I don't know if the PBA needs to say/do something with that or not. In some ways, they probably enjoy playing up that bad boy angle with him as they think that it resonates with some fans, especially now that Rash has calmed down with age, and Pete is no longer on the regular Tour. For me, it was just annoying to hear him complaining after every single shot, especially when Larsen was having no carry issues whatsoever on the same pair. Again, I don't know if the PBA will or even should say something. I just didn't like it.
That being said, I WILL give Simonsen credit for showing some class as Larsen went for the 300. He wished him luck as he went up for his tenth, and he sincerely seemed like he wanted him to cash it out for perfecto. At least he didn't continue whining/stewing as that situation played out.
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Its great for who ever is bowling against AS.
During matches you should start saying things like "it keeps setting the pins off", "I cant believe that shot carried", "whats wrong with this equipment", "I got away with another one" especially it it isnt true and you threw an amazing shot etc. Feed into the mental game problems of your opponent when you see/hear something like that. You can bet other pros are paying attention to it.
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I just got done watching day 2 (Sunday). I would now argue that Butturf had a worse day that Simo.
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I was surprised to hear Randy be that open and honest when asked about Simonsen, but I didn't have a problem with it. I did have to chuckle a bit, however, because I believe Randy's last ever TV telecast ended with him screaming up into the bleachers at a guy who he felt intentionally made a noise as he delivered his final shot. But I digress.
Simonsen has more talent than most of us will ever dream of. The fact that he is capable of winning, playing straight, hooking the entire lane, and even switching to a backup ball is crazy. However, he doesn't seem to have a great deal of strength between the ears right now. We've heard about him getting into trouble for his outbursts during tournaments already, and this weekend's behavior was just sad. He's one of the greatest bowlers in the world, and he carried on like a disgruntled house hack.
I don't know if the PBA needs to say/do something with that or not. In some ways, they probably enjoy playing up that bad boy angle with him as they think that it resonates with some fans, especially now that Rash has calmed down with age, and Pete is no longer on the regular Tour. For me, it was just annoying to hear him complaining after every single shot, especially when Larsen was having no carry issues whatsoever on the same pair. Again, I don't know if the PBA will or even should say something. I just didn't like it.
That being said, I WILL give Simonsen credit for showing some class as Larsen went for the 300. He wished him luck as he went up for his tenth, and he sincerely seemed like he wanted him to cash it out for perfecto. At least he didn't continue whining/stewing as that situation played out.
His behavior was dangerously close to violating the PBA conduct guidelines. Verbally complaining about the pinsetters is basically being critical of the host center. Venting to people during commercial break comes very close to being verbally abusive to staff. Proclaiming that it may be time to find a new career is close to being critical of the PBA itself.
Dick Allen and Bill O'Neill started to let some of their frustrations surface yesterday as well. But not at the level that Simonsen displayed on Saturday. Tom Clark needs to pull Simonsen aside and diplomatically put things in perspective for him. Belmonte seems to have some sort of affinity for Simonsen as well. Perhaps a conference call between Clark, Simonsen, and Belmonte is necessary to help Simonsen work through his immediate issues. Regardless, the PBA needs to step in at this point.
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I'm not at all really offended or shocked or dismayed by any of what I've heard over the last two days. I'm not excusing it by any means, but compared to the behavior of most other professional athletes nowadays, it is small potatoes.
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^^^^ Agreed. I hear more grousing and complaining from bowlers during my league sessions. Golfing great Arnold Palmer had the best reply. Once, while golfing with an amateur friend---- this friend, at one point, got so disgusted that he cursed and threw his club onto the ground. Arnie looked at his friend, laughed and said; "Relax. You're not GOOD enough to get that angry."
I have no issue with Simonsen's remarks.
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These players are bowling at a level that they should have better control over their frustrations. They are also bowling on a national stage. When junior bowlers watch these players behave like that it puts forth the wrong image. I have seen a lot of junior bowlers locally behave similarly, and in some cases parents will justifiably pull them out of a match and end their morning. If they don't completely pull them from the match, they immediately pull them aside and read them the riot act. As much as these guys on TV might not realize it, they are role models to a whole generation of aspiring pro bowlers.
I agree that professional athletes seem to be acting more and more privileged and entitled these days, but that doesn't mean the bowlers on the PBA should get a pass for behaving similarly. Someone has to start setting a standard for how professional athletes should behave and there is no reason why it cannot be the PBA. Imagine that...professional bowlers flipping the script and becoming the gold standard for professional athlete conduct. What a concept.
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I don't think at this point Anthony really cares what anyone else think (JMO). Watching the match and seeing him get visibly upset I made the comment that he was his own worst enemy and unless he was able to get past is he was going to lose. The guy is immensely talented but he will struggle to maximize his potential until he can control his emotions.
I was not offended by the way he acted, because that is what I have come to expect from him. I do agree with others that I see this type of reaction or worse during league almost weekly. Does this make it right? I know that I don't want to be that guy, but they evidently don't care. For those that are worried about how their kids will act when seeing professionals do this, spend time parenting your kids and teaching them the how to win and lose gracefully.
I remember Cam Newton's response after losing the Super Bowl when confronted about his actions. "Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.", What Cam failed to grasp is that he was still a loser(his team lost on that day).
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Randy's Rant was a culmination of witnesessing Simo's bratty behavior all across the world when the TV cameras aren't on. He's been through a lot personally, but so has everyone. Destroying center equipment, having dramatic fry outs in front of spectators, the list goes on and on.
It's just poor professionalism and immaturity. Let time tell the story. He'll learn.
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Professional athletes are not the best role model in many cases. Parents should not depend on them to show their kids how to act.
Watching him on tv reminded me of a younger, more talented Rash. He will figure it out, maybe after being forced to by those in authority; or he will find another job. Right now, his antics are probably good for ratings.
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Professional athletes are not the best role model in many cases. Parents should not depend on them to show their kids how to act.
Watching him on tv reminded me of a younger, more talented Rash. He will figure it out, maybe after being forced to by those in authority; or he will find another job. Right now, his antics are probably good for ratings.
We're kinda thinking the same thing.
Hollman was fairly tame (despite that .. what was it, 9-tournament suspension for kicking and breaking the foul lights?) compared to PDW. And if Pete wore his emotions on his sleeve and got flack for that, he willingly chose to be the bad guy, to the point where he reveled in it, all the way until he went to the PBA50 tour and became the elder statesman.
After that, Rash started to pick that up and roll with it.. then he became a father. Ritchie Allen could have as well, but became a father, and now he's Dick (He can't be Rick Allen; he'd have to lose an arm) ;)
So right now, I could see Simo playing that bad guy without trying to be the bad guy, only he is going about it the wrong way. There's being the bad guy complaining, but then there is being a whining bratty kid while complaining. He could gain fans and ratings with the former, and lose them all with the latter.
BL.
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still young pdw was worse just ask us senior bowlers who knew pete back then
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I agree with Brad. I also think that the broadcasters chose to put this out there for us to see. Just not well thought out in my opinion. Maybe they will figure out how to portray a positive bad guy image in the future, and Anthony will play the role a little better. Everybody loves a bad@@@ hero/winner ala PDW. Nobody likes whiners.
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still young pdw was worse just ask us senior bowlers who knew pete back then
I knew him back then. Saw him three times a year when he came to Elkhorn, Nebraska for the PBA midwest regional. The difference between him even back then and Simo now, is that PDW wanted to be the bad guy. He wanted to be the heel, so he played up to it. That's what got him his reputation.
I don't know if Simo wants to have the reputation of being the brat. Now, he can be the heel, as long as he plays it right, but no-one will want to deal with a whiny bratty heel.
BL.
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Pretty unfair to compare Anthony to Pete Weber. Pete was just an obnoxious drunk. When the geek squad bought the PBA they thought they'd market it different.
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Pretty unfair to compare Anthony to Pete Weber. Pete was just an obnoxious drunk. When the geek squad bought the PBA they thought they'd market it different.
Well, this is out there for all to see, without any doubt. :o
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Does the PBA even need to have "heels" and "babyfaces"? It is bowling not the WWE (despite the whole championship belt thing.)
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right on pete liked his sause
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right on pete liked his sause
For those not in the know: Definition; sause: An obsolete form of sauce. Obsolete?:o
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Does the PBA even need to have "heels" and "babyfaces"? It is bowling not the WWE (despite the whole championship belt thing.)
No, they don't "need" it, but seeing that people didn't like Pete because of his attitude and that he wasn't Dick, they started to not like him. So Pete took that and ran with it. Pete is a huge wrestling fan (according to him and the Bad Boy of Bowling documentary), so he decided to play up on that, and it worked.
The question here, is if Simo is wanting to go that route; if he does, then I'd say he's going about it the wrong way, because no-one wants to deal with or watch a whiny little brat all the time.
BL.
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Simonsen was by far having the worst day. I agreed with everything Randy had to say. Simonsen acted like a 5 year old. Acting like a brat 3 shots in tells me something is going on behind the scenes whether in his personal life or something happened before the show that put him in that mood before he stepped on to the tv pair. Had absolutely nothing to do with a bad rack.
To Gene......comparing Simonsen to Pete is not unfair for the simple fact that 24 year old Pete and Simonsen have a lot of similarities. Pete was suspended more than once due to his behavior. Want to say one time it was a 6 month and another time it was for an entire season. My question is what is keeping the PBA from suspending Simonsen? He has damaged bowling center property to which he basically shrugged it off by saying just take it the money to replace it out of my winnings.
Another thing I wonder is.......What about Storm and any other sponsors he may have? Have to think it is in their contract that since he represents Storm Products that they have a right to terminate the contract if his conduct is not up to their standards. Maybe if he loses some of the perks of his profession that he will then realize the consequences of his actions. Or...maybe he wont. But if the only thing people are going to do is stand aside and just offer their opinions about how he is acting, what incentive does Simonsen have to stop?
I like watching Simonsen because you are not sure what he is going to bring whether it is the 21 mph frozen rope, slow hooking 5th arrow, or going to the backup ball. But the bottom line is that Simonsen does not yet have the maturity or "maple moxie" to handle the pressure of being one of the faces of the PBA. Only thing missing from that telecast was Simonsen sitting with his blankie and sucking his thumb.
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Maybe one day, we all will make it to the level of being able to show emotions on TV. If you are at this level and not showing some emotion, when you are doing bad, that is a problem.
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Simonsen was by far having the worst day. I agreed with everything Randy had to say. Simonsen acted like a 5 year old. Acting like a brat 3 shots in tells me something is going on behind the scenes whether in his personal life or something happened before the show that put him in that mood before he stepped on to the tv pair. Had absolutely nothing to do with a bad rack.
To Gene......comparing Simonsen to Pete is not unfair for the simple fact that 24 year old Pete and Simonsen have a lot of similarities. Pete was suspended more than once due to his behavior. Want to say one time it was a 6 month and another time it was for an entire season. My question is what is keeping the PBA from suspending Simonsen? He has damaged bowling center property to which he basically shrugged it off by saying just take it the money to replace it out of my winnings.
Another thing I wonder is.......What about Storm and any other sponsors he may have? Have to think it is in their contract that since he represents Storm Products that they have a right to terminate the contract if his conduct is not up to their standards. Maybe if he loses some of the perks of his profession that he will then realize the consequences of his actions. Or...maybe he wont. But if the only thing people are going to do is stand aside and just offer their opinions about how he is acting, what incentive does Simonsen have to stop?
I like watching Simonsen because you are not sure what he is going to bring whether it is the 21 mph frozen rope, slow hooking 5th arrow, or going to the backup ball. But the bottom line is that Simonsen does not yet have the maturity or "maple moxie" to handle the pressure of being one of the faces of the PBA. Only thing missing from that telecast was Simonsen sitting with his blankie and sucking his thumb.
I'm pretty sure there has to be something in his contract (and possibly every rep's contract) regarding this, as they are representing the brand of the company as well as their own personal brand. The company can easily take those actions into consideration and either bring it up for grounds of terminating the contract or not renewing it.
Pete was lucky in that aspect because not only did he have somewhat of a decent rapport with Storm (at least that I can tell; don't know if Dick had anything to do with it), but when the former people at Micro$oft bought the PBA, they wanted to get to know the problem child, which not only saved the PBA, but Pete's career as well..
BL.
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Maybe one day, we all will make it to the level of being able to show emotions on TV. If you are at this level and not showing some emotion, when you are doing bad, that is a problem.
I've read comments like this one many times over the years. You can be engaged in what you're doing and show emotion without acting like a whiny douche. Nobody is saying that these guys need to be stone-faced and stoic. Most fans enjoy seeing the players get fired up. That being said, you can get fired up (for positive or negative reasons) and still maintain a degree of professionalism. Simonsen acted like a baby that day. I'm not saying he's a terrible person, and he's obviously an amazing bowler. Still, he embarrassed himself that day. Case closed.
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Maybe one day, we all will make it to the level of being able to show emotions on TV. If you are at this level and not showing some emotion, when you are doing bad, that is a problem.
I have actually been fortunate enough to bowl twice on local television in a local tournament series stepladder finals. In one tournament I missed a 10-in. Yes I was upset, but I just smiled and went about the task at hand. In another broadcast I was not getting the ball reaction I wanted. Again, I remained poised and just went about bowling.
Just because you are on TV doesn't mean you are required to show emotions. People on TV acting like Simonsen did are demonstrating their emotional immaturity/instability.
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Maybe one day, we all will make it to the level of being able to show emotions on TV. If you are at this level and not showing some emotion, when you are doing bad, that is a problem.
With that, I also then say to look at Tom Daugherty's first TV appearance. The guy broke Steve Jaros' record for the lowest score bowled on TV. If anything he had an even worse day than Simo, and took it on to have fun. He lost horribly, but lost gracefully and had fun while losing. If anything, the big loser between Daugherty and Mika that day was Jaros, because Jaros held that record for a long time, as Jaros had the honor of bowling the highest and lowest scores ever on TV.. While he wouldn't be known for the 300, he would be known for the 100something he bowled. Daugherty pipped that into obscurity with getting 100 on the nose.
My point there is that Simo could have handled it better, especially compared to how Daugherty handled it.
BL.
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I'm pretty sure there has to be something in his contract (and possibly every rep's contract) regarding this, as they are representing the brand of the company as well as their own personal brand. The company can easily take those actions into consideration and either bring it up for grounds of terminating the contract or not renewing it.
Pete was lucky in that aspect because not only did he have somewhat of a decent rapport with Storm (at least that I can tell; don't know if Dick had anything to do with it), but when the former people at Micro$oft bought the PBA, they wanted to get to know the problem child, which not only saved the PBA, but Pete's career as well..
BL.
My memory had it that Pete's worst years, behavior-wise, came with him under contract at AMF, not Storm. I remember watching him throw Bobcats, Sumos, Ninjas and Cobras all the time back then. Dick was with AMF still as well, doing a lot of promotional work for them (he came to open up a bowling alley near here when the Gold Angle was still new -- while throwing some games, he left the big four and then picked it up with a Gold Angle they'd drilled for him that day).
I think DP3 hit on it in page one ... when Randy really kept belaboring the point, the first thing that went through my head was that this was probably not just a reaction to what we were seeing live, but maybe some things that had previously happened off-camera as well.
Jess