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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on November 23, 2016, 12:01:52 PM
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I never really understood why bowlers get upset about other bowlers playing the same line. I hear these comments once in awhile... "get your own line!" or "ass is playing my line."
Why do bowlers complain about other bowlers rolling the same line? there are only 39 boards to play with, there are so many similar styles or rolls, and a plethora of equipment being used... and the pocket doesn't move....
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Anyone with half a brain should realize that they are better off with other guys playing their line. The shot is going to transition no matter what and the transitions are a lot easier if you dont have guys playing all over the place.
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Plus the guys that complain, just aren't that good to begin with
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When i returned to the game over 15 years ago, I've heard this type of complaining and I jumped on the wagon. Then I got used to the the high tech equipment and started to see the game differently, I got off the wagon. Fast forward a decade or so, I still hear this complaint. Guys from 195 average up to 230.
And some of these same guys will tell you that they got robbed when leaving a ten pin. There is a very small percentage of robbery, but a much larger percentage of human error and/or condition. But, what do I know. They guy who averages 20 pins higher than me, is smarter than me I suppose. Anyone in my area above 225 and 230 is all and knows all... Btw, at this house I bowl... I very rarely experience carry down. I can go through a whole season and not experience it.... but what do I know lol...
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I never really understood why bowlers get upset about other bowlers playing the same line. I hear these comments once in awhile... "get your own line!" or "ass is playing my line."
Why do bowlers complain about other bowlers rolling the same line? there are only 39 boards to play with, there are so many similar styles or rolls, and a plethora of equipment being used... and the pocket doesn't move....
Who made them the "Lord of the Lane"??
I didn't know you could claim a certain area on any lane. I better go look up the USBC rules on this .... :(:(:(
I'd estimate 95% of the people playing a pair have to hit with 2 boards left and right of the oil line, in order to get to the pocket properly. How they get there depends on their release and the ball they're using. As long as someone isn't going down the 7/8/9 board area with a plastic or a urethane ball, most people should not have a problem, if they expect a transition phase to happen sometime in the 2nd game, more or less.
Unless you're prebowling by yourself on freshly oil lanes, someone else on the pair is going to "playing your line" That's bowling life. Anyone complaining about this is living in his own fantasy life.
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Because they can, enough said.
I've had 230 avg. bowlers take the day off an not bowl against me because I cause a different transition and/or carrydown. (I spray & pray urethane/plastic only. With soft speed and a heavy hand, resin is uncontrollable for me.)
Because they avg. 230+ & I don't, onlookers will more likely believe that I'm "screwing up" the lanes so bad they can't carry/score.
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Why do bowlers complain about other bowlers rolling the same line?
Because they assume someone else is at fault for every problem or issue they have or might have later.
Their conscious mind is afraid to confront the possibility that their own mistakes may be to blame for their failure.
So they blame others to escape from taking the responsibility onto themselves.
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+1000
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Anyone with half a brain should realize that they are better off with other guys playing their line. The shot is going to transition no matter what and the transitions are a lot easier if you dont have guys playing all over the place.
Terrific point. I love bowling the old farts who never move their feet. I'll take that unlimited friction to the right all night.
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Because they want to have that "built in" excuse should they not bowl well.
I agree that it's an advantage to have someone helping you create some miss room on the lane by playing "your line."
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Q: Why do bowlers complain about others playing "their" line?
A: Because that's what bowlers do these days, COMPLAIN!
As long as someone isn't going down the 7/8/9 board area with a plastic or a urethane ball, most people should not have a problem.
But this is EXACTLY what I do, and the line I play, and I am throwing 25-28 yr old urethane balls.
For the first time in several years, I am averaging in the 2teens again doing so, so there is no plan for this to change anytime soon.
That's bowling life. Anyone complaining about this is living in his own fantasy life.
And this is EXACTLY how I feel. If they don't like what I am doing, then I'm sorry, but it is what's working for me.
They don't change their game to suit me, or help me any, so why should I be expected to change?
If they have a problem with it, then that is their problem, not mine.
At least I'm not usually playing anybody else's line this way........😎
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Darreyl,
I should have corrected my "perceived" stance about one person playing with urethane. That is not going to radically change the transition phase of any pair with 3-5 players per lane. 3-4 urethanes will create carrydown; but they will do more harm more rapidly to their line than they will do to that of people using resin, which usually will handle carrydown better than urethane
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Bowlers live for excuses and do anything possible to not move from their area.
Line is relative to accuracy. If they were playing "a line" they would destroy their own line rather quickly.
Ball hooks early… blame someone else. Miss your mark…. Blame someone else. Leave a 10pin….. Must be the ball, blame the ball. Nothing is ever the bowlers fault right? lol
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Bowlers live for excuses and do anything possible to not move from their area.
Line is relative to accuracy. If they were playing "a line" they would destroy their own line rather quickly.
Ball hooks early… blame someone else. Miss your mark…. Blame someone else. Leave a 10pin….. Must be the ball, blame the ball. Nothing is ever the bowlers fault right? lol
But in truth, it's always you the bowler and the concept of transition, which ALWAYS happens, to one degree of another.
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Darreyl,
I should have corrected my "perceived" stance about one person playing with urethane. That is not going to radically change the transition phase of any pair with 3-5 players per lane. 3-4 urethanes will create carrydown; but they will do more harm more rapidly to their line than they will do to that of people using resin, which usually will handle carrydown better than urethane
Jeff,
No big deal, and the post was not a shot at you, but more using your example to demonstrate that there is a myriad amount of ways to attack a ths, and for some of us, urethane out near the dry line is the way to go.
Also to make the point about what people call "screwing up" the shot.
Should I complain about all the people using reactives and drying out the lanes and changing the shot way too fast, there would be a hue and cry such as you can't imagine, yet the people using the reactives cry about me "smearing oil everywhere" with my urethanes.
I do see carrydown though. I usually start with an old red pearl hammer, switch to a lane shined black hammer, then on to a 1000grit nitro as the night goes on, all while watching them absolutely burn up the middles and chase it to the left gutter. By the third game they are playing 25 as a target, while I'm still playing 7/8/9.
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Fixed Mindset vs. Growth Mindset
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Darreyl,
I should have corrected my "perceived" stance about one person playing with urethane. That is not going to radically change the transition phase of any pair with 3-5 players per lane. 3-4 urethanes will create carrydown; but they will do more harm more rapidly to their line than they will do to that of people using resin, which usually will handle carrydown better than urethane
Jeff,
No big deal, and the post was not a shot at you, but more using your example to demonstrate that there is a myriad amount of ways to attack a ths, and for some of us, urethane out near the dry line is the way to go.
Also to make the point about what people call "screwing up" the shot.
Should I complain about all the people using reactives and drying out the lanes and changing the shot way too fast, there would be a hue and cry such as you can't imagine, yet the people using the reactives cry about me "smearing oil everywhere" with my urethanes.
I do see carrydown though. I usually start with an old red pearl hammer, switch to a lane shined black hammer, then on to a 1000grit nitro as the night goes on, all while watching them absolutely burn up the middles and chase it to the left gutter. By the third game they are playing 25 as a target, while I'm still playing 7/8/9.
I'm not sure if I don;t have enough hand or our oil patterns don't usually permit a good reaction with urethanes. I've tried more than a few and either the oil pattern is pretty finicky or the carrydown soon requires a stronger ball. (Could have drilled them wrong also??) My best urethane ball reaction was with the Seismic Desperado, the original. Unfortunately it's a 15 lb. and I now use 14s. That was a great ball. period. Plastic, urethane or resin, nomatter
Oddly, I practiced last Friday morning in one of my houses and the lanes were so dry that I was able to use my T-Zone to play an angle that I usually use for my strike ball; yet, it had good reaction and good hitting power, which I rarely get with plastic or urethane.
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There is no question that transitions come qucker and are more difficult to deal with in the modern resin era. However guys who want to hook the lane to the max create much bigger problems for themselves and everyone else than too many guys playing the sane line.
Just because the balls and lane pattern allows you to go coast to coast doesnt mean that is the best way to play
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What morons do you play against/with? :P
Anyone who say such comments should gtfo.
Of course there will be people who use the same line as you! Most people will use the line that goes over the second mark, or 5-15 board line.
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Because Bowlers in General are not happy unless they are whining about something they know little about
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Because people hate it when you wreck their shim!
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If you complain when others use the same line, you suck as a bowler!
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What morons do you play against/with? :P
Anyone who say such comments should gtfo.
Of course there will be people who use the same line as you! Most people will use the line that goes over the second mark, or 5-15 board line.
I don't bowl with any of them currently, I just heard this during a tourney earlier this year and some a couple of months ago. I used to bowl with guys in the same league who complained about people on their line. Even when I jumped on that wagon years ago, I questioned it, but at the time I was a "newbie" in this modern era and believed almost every thing experienced high average bowlers say.
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I have been in this game for 55 years and scratch bowlers complaining about lane conditions goes back at least that far.
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If I ever come across some bowlers who complain that I use the same line, I will turn around and laugh so much at them.
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Anyone with half a brain should realize that they are better off with other guys playing their line. The shot is going to transition no matter what and the transitions are a lot easier if you dont have guys playing all over the place.
Well I guess if you have a full brain, it makes sense not to want people playing the same line.
If I'm playing the right line, everyone playing a different line would be playing the wrong line.
In my case, I use urethane, and play much wider than the crowd using resin.
Since I'm so far from the heavy oil, my ball doesn't pick up much oil to streak down the lane, and the shot out there doesn't change during the night since there wasn't much out out there to begin with.