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Title: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: LordWalrus on November 17, 2008, 05:04:53 AM: I know that all balls absorb oil over time, but why do I want one that specifically excels at it? I've seen several balls taut this as feature #1. It seems to me that this increases ball maintenance and actually messes up my own shot by changing it more rapidly. If these oil absorbers suck up oil so fast, they basically take themselves out of play. Don't they?

Any comments or observations on this?
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: HighSpeedLowRevs on November 17, 2008, 01:07:13 PM: It does increase the maintenence, but it will help you "burn" an are faster and hook the ball more. This is more important on PBA/Sport shots than it is on house patterns. But is a very good trait for a ball.
Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Nails on November 17, 2008, 01:17:24 PM: I think the new emphasis on oil absorption is what makes the new reactives similar to older particles. Increased traction in oil and more mid lane. Both high end reactives and particles require some effort to keep them performing, but I think the reactives are renewed easier than a typical particle ball.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Stormkid84 on November 17, 2008, 01:51:16 PM: Increased oil consumption=more friction on the lane.
More friction=increased hook and roll
Increased hook and roll=better scores
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: 302efi on November 17, 2008, 02:42:52 PM: quote:
Increased hook and roll=better scores

LOL at you !

So you think more hook equals better score ? LOL
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: mainzer on November 17, 2008, 02:43:21 PM: great when you wanna make other bowlers cry
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Dan Belcher on November 17, 2008, 02:46:59 PM: quote:
Increased hook and roll=better scores
Tell that to the guys I bowled with this weekend in the Kentucky state tournament in Paducah who couldn't keep the ball on the right side of the headpin Saturday night unless they threw plastic.

Edited on 11/17/2008 3:47 PM
Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Stormkid84 on November 17, 2008, 02:54:23 PM: quote:
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Increased hook and roll=better scores

LOL at you !

So you think more hook equals better score ? LOL
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Not necessarily. Entry angle and roll equal higher scores. But entry angle and hook go hand in hand.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"
Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: spmcgivern on November 17, 2008, 03:02:22 PM: I was under the impression oil absorbtion kept he surface of the ball from accumulating a lot of oil. By absorbing oil, the surface would have less oil on it and thus a dryer ball surface leads to better reaction. But I may be wrong and talking out my butt.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: cheech on November 17, 2008, 05:38:32 PM: no ur right. oil absorption keeps more direct surface of the ball in contact with the lane and gives it a better chance of grabbing
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Juggernaut on November 17, 2008, 05:49:54 PM: I don't know WHY you would want one. Plenty of high scores were shot before the advent of the "super soaker" spongeballs out there today.

The property of oil absorption is "supposed" to migrate the oil from the surface of the ball and give you a more predictable contact patch between the lane surface and the balls surface. The only reason you need that though is because of the high volume of oil being applied to the lane in the first place, and the reason the oil volume is so high is to combat the generation of spongeballs that we had before. It is just a vicious cycle. Stronger ball, more oil, stronger ball, etc........

Yeah, the scores are higher and easier with them ( before they die anyway ), but the more oil they absorb, the more maintenance needed and the more prone to early ball death they are. Neat trick on the manufacturers part was to build crappy balls designed to wear out quickly, then convince everyone that it was "higher performance" than before, and convince everyone that it was what they needed. Not only that, but they try to tell you that you need several of them a year. NICE ONE, HUH?

I've got some older ones that don't soak up oil nearly as much as the newer ones do and they perform just fine and have lasted for YEARS while still going strong.

Unless you are bowling at the highest level to make money, and on very high volume shots, you really don't NEED them. I can understand NEEDING them if you are a PBA member who is relying on tip top performance every shot, but I don't think amateurs NEED such performance, especially on most THS's.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 17, 2008, 05:54:36 PM: quote:
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Increased hook and roll=better scores

LOL at you !

So you think more hook equals better score ? LOL
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quote:
I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Not necessarily. Entry angle and roll equal higher scores. But entry angle and hook go hand in hand.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Precisely my next comment.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Rileybowler on November 17, 2008, 06:05:50 PM: When oil goes up again you can sell the oil
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Gazoo on November 17, 2008, 06:16:54 PM: So you can show your love and affection by giving it multiple hot water baths!
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: nd300 on November 17, 2008, 06:42:22 PM: Juggernaut,
You're right that a fair amount of us DON'T need the high performance balls that the PBA pros throw.Thing is,there's a large amount of league bowlers seeing their favorite pro throwing Ball X.Their thought process is that if the pro scores that well with said ball,then I can score well with said ball.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 17, 2008, 06:53:29 PM: This is why something will have to give in the future. Covers are soaking more and more oil at a faster rate and yet an oil machine can only put out so much oil on the lane. ANY ball has to have friction to hook. So, you can't really go longer down the lane with the oil. Strokers will never be able to hook a ball if that happens. I am bowling on patterns where the track area burns up within a game to game and a half and on over/under haven. Obviously with my rev rate. I am not in the need of a soaker coverstock. That is why I really like the Visionary stuff. I get all the hook I need without worrying about ball death due to too much oil absorption.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Juggernaut on November 17, 2008, 07:19:27 PM: quote:
Juggernaut,
You're right that a fair amount of us DON'T need the high performance balls that the PBA pros throw.Thing is,there's a large amount of league bowlers seeing their favorite pro throwing Ball X.Their thought process is that if the pro scores that well with said ball,then I can score well with said ball.
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JTTDB---Just Throw The Damn Ball
Don't "think"---that ball isn't in your bag yet..........

Yeah, I know. Most of us league bowlers don't NEED one. But, if you have the extra cash and WANT one, that should be fine. Just don't need to buy into that " Gotta have it or I can't compete" syndrome.

I've bought several balls over the last few years, but that is a part of the game I enjoy, trying out new stuff to see what it does. I can honestly say that only a very select few have truly "out performed" a lot of the older balls I have, but those few needed MUCH more maintenance than the older stuff.

I know they are never going to go back to rubber, plastic, and urethane, that's O.K. by me. But I do think they need to reach some kind of limit with oil volumes and ball cover/core technology. Maybe go back to first or second generation reactives while also limiting the core to smaller diff. numbers that would allow the oil volumes to go back down some and make the game more predictable and "playable" for the masses.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: six pack on November 17, 2008, 07:32:50 PM: there great for burning up the track in warm up and then going to old school covers with polish and then urethane or plastic.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: LordWalrus on November 18, 2008, 06:41:09 AM: Thanks for all the input. Many of you have echoed the thoughts I was having. As merely a league hack who does a few tournaments each year, I find myself wanting to avoid all the extreme ball maintenance and ball death scenarios. I know regular maintenance is needed, but repeated soaking and baking just seems silly to me if the only reason I'm doing it is to throw another ball anyway.

Someone mentioned Visionary as being something to look at if I want to try something that doesn't soak up so much oil. Are there other brands to look at in that category?
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 18, 2008, 07:15:04 AM: As a side note (and correct me if I am wrong), I think USBC is checking for a rule that deals with the balls' porosity and surface texture. The more open the texture, the more mechanical friction the surface creates, besides its spongeous properties. It is a kind of rule hole after hardness and maximum differential have been dealt with.

I am really curious where this leads, since it looks like a dead end to me - the vicious downward spiral.

Save the particle!
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: KingofKings696 on November 18, 2008, 09:35:54 AM: I see no reason for these oil suckers personally. I still roll my old early reactives(purple and gold rhino pros) as well as purple sumo(which will tear up oil in its own right) urethanes and last but definitly not least the xxxl which I can roll from the first throw to the last throw and still hold my own albeit it may leave a 10 here and there but over the course of a night I wont need to move like everyone else and I will have a more consistant read. I have the WMB and awesome flip from morich as well as a gravity shift and none of these see near the action my old/weaker non oil absorbing equipment does. Even on the PBA patterns and tougher oils.
Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: LordWalrus on November 19, 2008, 07:34:02 AM: quote:

I am really curious where this leads, since it looks like a dead end to me - the vicious downward spiral.

Where it led me last night was back to urethane. I hauled it out of the closet and am glad I did. On this second shift league, the only thing that worked consistently and carried was my old Thunderbolt.

The new balls are sexy, but I think I'm leaning toward avoiding them and sticking with my old battle axes.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: Juggernaut on November 19, 2008, 04:45:00 PM: quote:
Thanks for all the input. Many of you have echoed the thoughts I was having. As merely a league hack who does a few tournaments each year, I find myself wanting to avoid all the extreme ball maintenance and ball death scenarios. I know regular maintenance is needed, but repeated soaking and baking just seems silly to me if the only reason I'm doing it is to throw another ball anyway.

Someone mentioned Visionary as being something to look at if I want to try something that doesn't soak up so much oil. Are there other brands to look at in that category?
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As far as new equipment goes, visionary and lane Masters are said to have the best longevity out of todays stuff.
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Title: Re: Why do I want a ball that absorbs oil
Post by: rustylegacy on November 19, 2008, 05:14:07 PM: I love Visionary, but the React-a-tac sucks up some serious oil. The oil has to be really heavy to leave rings on the ball for more than a few minutes. That being said they dont die early deaths like others are rumoured to.