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Nicanor

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Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« on: November 06, 2003, 12:01:11 AM »
Why do we leave 8-10s for right handed bowlers 7-9's for left handed bowlers?

Is too much speed,
too little rotation,
bad luck,
bad bowling pin placement,
or do we just suck

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9andaWiggle

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2003, 03:15:48 PM »
I blame the bowling God, Humbaba.  Obviously he is upset and feels the need to punish me.  What else could it be, I threw a perfect shot - right?

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2003, 03:20:18 PM »
angle, speed, rotation.  We have a lefty that points the ball with very little rotation.  I can spot a 7-9 two feets before his ball hit the pins.  When he doesn't leave it, one or the other is still standing or they are the last to fall.  Entry angle and rotation are my guesses.
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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2003, 03:24:12 PM »
Poor entry angle + lack of axis tilt= deflection i.e an 8-10 or 7-9 leave.

DON DRAPER

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 04:00:06 PM »
possible culprits:

slick lanes
tight backends
excessive ball speed
not being really lined up
not enough roll on the ball
bad rack

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2003, 04:30:09 PM »
7-9, I've left about 4 in three years of bowling including all practice sessions.

It took me almost 3 years for the first one(Thank God).

I was playing too inside with a heavy load particle ball that was sort of rolled out AND muffed.

Every other one has basically been the same.  Too much surface too inside, too many feet of lane covered, on a sort of loopy muffed shot!

Praise the lord!

If playing deep inside this leave is more common.

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Immediately get a touch less surface and move a couple of boards outside.
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Jerry Weller

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2003, 04:42:58 PM »
Deflection is why we leave the 8-10

The paradox is that a ball that has too much side roll at the pocket can leave it, but so can a ball that has "rolled out"...

And regarding hitting the 1-3 at the same time - NONSENSE - that's nothing more than an optical illusion created by looking at objects a foot and a half apart from 60 feet away.

Get somebody to take you down to the pindeck and just TRY to simulate setting a ball up on the lane so that it would hit both pins at exactly the same time. I've done the experiment and believe me it doesn't happen that way. You will find that the entry angle required would be so steep as to be physically impossible for even the strongest cranker to create.



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Nicanor

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2003, 05:16:15 PM »
Leftside,

NO HAND, Talk to the hand.

So we are still all confused.  But to add to the information:

its was the 10th frame of the third game (4 person teams) and I was using a Raging Inferno that Pchee2 gave me drilled 4 X 3 and the ball seemed to roll out deflect right into the 9 pin.  I like the suggestion that it was pin setting/placement and I did amp the ball up a little playing maybe too far inside for this ball on those conditions, and after I released it, it did seem as though I came up behind the ball too much not giving it the rotation that might be needed to carry the 10 pin, but not an 8-10.  Maybe there was some carry down as well, I don't know.

Maybe I'll go to Phoenix to learn how Leftside got so much hand, but I think I know, his eye sight is going too

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2003, 05:47:47 PM »
My favorite combination for an 8-10 is to pull the shot into the oil on second shift when there is a load of carry down.  The pull results in very little roll and even when the ball hits flush it bounces off like a 16# ping-pong ball.  8-10!!!  I once had an 8-10 with a really crushing hit where the stone 8 was joined by a laughing 10 but that is a fluke.  Most of the time you can smell the 8-10 comming before the ball is half way down the lane.  Luckily it doesn't happen as often as the low pocket 7-10!

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2003, 01:01:40 AM »
Pretty much you just left the 10 and got tapped on the 8.
This caused by the 5 not taking out the 8.
WHAT? you may ask but contrary to popular belief the 5 pin takes out the 8.
To sum it all up you threw a ball that didn't have enough power, angle or whatever to carry the 10 pin and the ball deflected sending the 5 to the outside of the 8 and wala you have the dreaded 8-10.
I have seen high speed video of several splits and for this one that is generally how it happens.
On occasion I have seen this happen when there has been too much power or angle and the 5 went between the 8-9 but that doesn't happen near as often.
Pretty much boils down to too much or too little deflection.
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Jerry Weller

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2003, 01:13:03 AM »
Too little deflection for a righty and leave an 8-10? I can't wait to see somebody explain that idea...

Now I've left a few pocket 7-9s (as a righty mind you) on balls that didn't deflect, but that is a whole 'nother thread there. I'm willing to bet there are some other righty's who've left that one on a hard driving shot...

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2003, 01:49:02 AM »
Jerry
Yes too little deflection for RHr you hit the 5 to solid and it misses the 8 to the right you also hit the 3 light which shots the 6 to the inside of the 10. I have seen it the camera doesn't lie.
This is true for what is considered the perfect pocket shot which is the ball contacting the head pin at the 17 board and then traveling straight up the 17 board from there if the ball does travel this supposed perfect course it can't get the 8 pin therefore it is the 5 pins job. If the ball drives to the 18 the 5 pin may miss.
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Jerry Weller

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2003, 05:52:40 AM »
but if the ball is driving that hard, what gets the 9 pin?

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2003, 03:21:38 PM »
The ball if driving slightly too strong or the 5 pin if driving way too hard

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Jerry Weller

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Re: Why do we leave an 8-10 (RH)
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2003, 05:35:36 AM »
If the ball hits the 9 then don't you have to hit the 5 pin right of center? And if you do hit the 5 pin right of center how does it miss the 8?