Author Topic: Scoring and conditions (Read 1149 times)

qstick777 · « **on:** March 12, 2007, 01:41:46 PM »

Okay, I've read the recent posts about conditions being too easy, people are only worried about their average, making money, etc.

Something that Bones said really stood out:

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Today, bowlers seem to compare themselves to a number, no matter where that number was obtained. When bowlers today hear of someone with a 230 average, they just assume it was obtained on a pie condition. Even if the bowler is also bowling on a pie condition but not able to reach the 220 level, he assumes his shot is just tougher, and never considers that he is just not as good as the one with the 230.

So, here is what I'm wondering. For those of you that are carrying a high average, do you really think that averaging over 220 is not impressive?

To average 220 over 100+ games has to say something about your ability. Unless your lanes are sloped to take the ball to the pocket, you still have to have a reasonable amount of skill to repeat shots and some amount of skill to get good carry.

Now, a lot of these people are bowling on the same conditions week in and week out. The more you get experience with a certain condition, the better you should become. That's why league bowlers complain when you change the shot on them. I know in my league, we get about 5 minutes of practice - that's for 10 people on a pair of lanes. You don't get a whole lot of time to figure out the lanes and condition.

I'm not saying that these people are good enough to go pro, but how do you think these people would do if they bowled on a PBA condition every week? I'm not talking about a PBA Experience league where they change the shot every week and you get 5 minutes of practice before scoring counts.....I'm talking about bowling on the same condition every week for 35 weeks.

With more exposure to the condition, I'm thinking that these "high average" bowlers would still be the high average bowlers in the league/house.

During the "season" we constantly see the pros come into the finals averaging 235, but somehow there is usually at least 1 pro that fails to break 200. It's the same pattern they've been bowling on for several days! Sure the TV cameras, lights, environment might have changed, but they are pros.

We also hear about the pros that bowl leagues and aren't the high average - they are bowling on the same "cake" conditions as the rest of the league, yet they aren't averaging as much as the "house hacks."

So, basically like Bones said, compare yourself to the house, and the league.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2007, 03:49:32 AM »

I'll second the idea that if a player has a 220+ house average, he cannot be a bad bowler at all. But the difference to a "good" bowler for me is if this average comes from 1 house only or from various locations.

Here in Germany, players have an official player card that tells the official average. You need to make at least 18 official games per season, either in tournaments or in the traveling leagues. It is very hard to get an official average just in your home lane, and I like the idea of this system. Therefore, even if the official average comes from special stress conditions, I think it is the "best" indicator for a player's potential, and ultimately the average that counts around here.

The 'house hack' discussion is a topic in my club, too. Remember, this is Germany - if you put 2 Germans together, they will found a club for whatever purpose. Bowling is not any different

Those players who frequently play league or tournaments have been demanding changing oil patterns and basically more oil in the club house for years (and it goes on). The lane proprietor wants to stick to the same for convenience reasons, and, most funny thing, the club senior "chieftains" also want to stick to the same oil pattern, because it is very suitable for most of the older players' style. Seems to be an ego thing, since many "important" club members seem to fear loss in wood during training sessions...

So, best thing when you see somebody's average, just make sure to know where the numbers stem from. A 220 average house champion is surely not a bad player, but I am sure that the chances are high that at another location things might look VERY different.
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mainzer · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2007, 12:40:49 PM »

I am in agreement with Bob Hanson here I carry about 220 average anywhere I go even on pie shot you have to make smart decisons and good shots to maintain high averages you can't come in and shot a 450 one night that will reck a season.
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qstick777 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2007, 04:15:09 PM »

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Nice post FBM. I already care more about how I played rather than how I scored. I've shot a 215 recently that was the best game I've ever PLAYED, even though I've SCORED higher a few times. The 276 (practice) is a close 2nd, but one of the strikes was lucky.

I guess my point is...

... if you concentrate on execution, the score will look after itself.
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Average since new ball (Storm SA): 177
High Game (Series): 244 (698) [easy lanes + luck + playing well]
Practice high, 276 (XXX XXX XXX 8/8, bottled it!! lol)

I agree with that. My "best" set was 182, 184, 186. That wasn't my highest set, but it was my most consistent. I was happy knowing that I repeated each shot - I'm sure there was some adjustment that I could have made to score higher, but I prefer to bowl that set than a 150, 225, 180.
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Leftyhi-trak · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:07:12 PM »

185-205 area for most 220+ house bowlers on harder shots like USBC and lower scoring PBA shots. I would believe the same shot at a familar house might even drive that up a bit further. For me a number is not what to judge by its where my number falls within the list of other numbers. I have an idea of where i should be and have to look at my flaws harder if I am not in a close distance of my perceived pecking order.

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