Post by: bullred on April 18, 2011, 01:37:42 PM
How in the hell did someone like this Wiess get all the way to the finals of a PBA tournament???
I realize he has won a few regionals, but???????????????????
Post by: Russell on April 18, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
Well...probably has to do with him being a solid player...good at repeating shots....good spare shooter...and pretty solid under pressure. I am pretty sure you're flamebaiting here by insinuating that he must suck because he doesn't throw it textbook.
I can assure you Randy is no hack...and could walk all over you 8 days a week....just because he doesn't throw it like Tommy Jones doesn't mean he sucks.
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Post by: bullred on April 18, 2011, 09:48:14 PM
By your reply, I guess he won with his superior skills. But, he still looked like a THB in his finals. All of his "gifts" in his finals helped a bit also. Anyhow, he did good for a THB. But, he shouldn't give up his day job though.
Post by: bullred on April 18, 2011, 09:48:19 PM
By your reply, I guess he won with his superior skills. But, he still looked like a THB in his finals. All of his "gifts" in his finals helped a bit also. Anyhow, he did good for a THB. But, he shouldn't give up his day job though.
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Post by: mainzer on April 18, 2011, 11:28:38 PM
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Post by: no300tj on April 19, 2011, 05:37:36 AM
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Post by: Nails on April 19, 2011, 06:10:13 AM
I was kind of pulling for him, but was surprised to see how far he got. In my eyes he throws it good, but not PBA good. He completely missed it at the bottom of his swing quite a few times and his arm swing and follow through were very inconsistent which completely changed his ball roll. He kept his head about him and made his spares which kept him in the matches, plus he seemed to find a way to throw his best shots when they mattered most.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 19, 2011, 07:07:33 AM
I have known Randy a loooong time. When I was stationed at Fort Jackson back in the early-mid 90s, I used to visit a pro shop frequently that was run by him and Jerry Horn. Randy has always been a solid player. He must have been having some feel issues because I dont recall him ever following through over his left shoulder. You can say that he is a "THB" but I can assure you, as Russell mentioned, he will hand it to you 8 days a week.
To sit there and say that based on what he "looked like" is like saying Jim Furyk must be a 20 handicapper on the golf course and should not quit his day job.
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Post by: Big Jake on April 19, 2011, 07:09:08 AM
To the OP, I couldnt agree more...
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Post by: bowlingxxx on April 19, 2011, 08:05:06 AM
By working HARD and beating A LOT of those that LOOKED much better at the line. If we take this line of thinking, the tourney namesake wasn't the perfect picture of bowling, but he got the job done! Steven what unit were you assigned with a Fort Jackson?
Post by: Monster Pike on April 19, 2011, 08:37:13 AM
"How in the hell did someone like this Wiess get all the way to the finals of a PBA tournament???"
By being better than the bulk of the competition throughout the week of qualifying & match play.... Repeating his shots, scoring, etc.... Didn't think it would be that hard for you to figure out.... But nothing surprises me on these boards anymore... 
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on April 19, 2011, 09:21:00 AM
I was in the Army stationed at the 120th Adjutant Generals Battalion. I worked in a few different sections there in my 3 years there, from August 1992 through June 1995. Cant remember if it was Bush River or Broad River but used to go to the 24 hour bowling center there to bowl because I worked the second shift for the first year or so. So I would go after work. Someone there mentioned Jerry's name I believe as an employee of one of Jeff Bellinger's shops. That is where I met Randy. Jerry, Randy, and a guy named Johnny would be there all the time so it was basically my hangout spot.
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 19, 2011, 11:54:28 AM
What, as compared to the guy who won it? Almost falling over on every shot. Licks his hand and wets his sole before every shot then complains about sticking at the line. Is that good form to you , OP?
Ah yes, it's so easy to tell everybody how the guy sucks on t.v. while you're in the La-Z-Boy with the bag of pork rinds in one hand and the PBR in the other instead of being on t.v. competing against the guy you are questioning.
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Post by: themagician on April 19, 2011, 01:19:37 PM
Post by: JessN16 on April 19, 2011, 02:40:47 PM
I had the chance to bowl in a tournament he was in once. Funky arm swing or not, in person all I saw were a metric ton of Xs all lined up in a row.
He's also a helluva nice guy, or at least he was to me.
What I want to know is how someone can rip on Weiss for his arm swing, yet they'll forgive Mika (too much loft), Shafer (bolt upright at the foul line + fast feet), WRW (looks like he snatches straight up at release a lot of the time), Wayne Garber (too much to list), etc. If Weiss' style was that bad, plenty of people had a chance to bowl better than him last month and do something about it, but they didn't.
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 19, 2011, 02:47:34 PM
THS: typical house shot
THB: typical house bowler
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Post by: livespive on April 19, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
Just looked like camera nerves to me. You could tell in his swing when it was going to be a good shot. It looked like he could hold his wrist firm, like he was shaking.
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Post by: Walking E on April 19, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
It doesn't matter how he looks as long as he is consistent, and obviously Weiss can be a machine at times. Shoot, Scott Devers should have taught us that it doesn't matter how you look as long as you can repeat shots.
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Post by: Russell on April 19, 2011, 04:20:42 PM
and by your OP...you're obviously an idiot.
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Post by: sigmaphi9 on April 19, 2011, 06:34:34 PM
All you holier than thou people really amaze me. Since when is it against the frickin law to criticize the performance of a professional athlete? No, I'm not good enough to get where he got and I'm not afraid to admit it. Doesn't mean I can't talk about his armswing or follow through or whatever. None of you have ever talked about how Jay Cutler sucked or Carmelo Anthony sucked or Derek Jeter sucked I suppose either? Give me a break.
Post by: ccrider on April 19, 2011, 07:04:53 PM
Yea, of course we have. But that's different, they said with a nod and a wink. Arm swing nomadda. How many pins he knocks down, madddddaaaaaaaasssssss.
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Post by: Russell on April 19, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
Since when is it against the frickin law to criticize an idiot's rant on a message board?
Irony?....nah
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 19, 2011, 08:26:26 PM
That's some funny stuff right there.
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Post by: sigmaphi9 on April 20, 2011, 03:59:35 AM
Thanks Russell. I suppose I should have asked in a less ranting way. Why do you feel professional bowlers should be off limits when it comes to criticism? I know you feel strongly about it, because you immediately jump on anyone who does it. We do it in every other sport, why not bowling?
Post by: Russell on April 20, 2011, 05:38:24 AM
I don't think they are off limits, and I have to be honest I think doing it in other sports is stupid too. I have a problem with people saying Barnes is a choke artist, Weiss had no business being on tv...etc. Like I said...they have a right to critique pros...I have a right to critique them. I think that when people bash pros in any sport it's just stupid. These people get paid to do things that we can't...and yet we sit in our recliners with a bag of Doritos and talk about how much they suck....it's stupid. If you want to question a manager for a bad decision, or a bad ball choice by a bowler, or a fumble, that's one thing....but to say Randy Weiss sucks is just stupid.
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Post by: AlBundy33 on April 20, 2011, 06:20:46 AM
Another guy that comes to mind is Mike Lichstein......or even Wayne Garber. All I know is Weiss was one half-ten away from bowling for the title.
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Post by: ccrider on April 20, 2011, 09:16:15 AM
Wiess is an excellent spare shooter. No doubt he bowled his arse off to get to the show. For sure the ugly girl has a right to go to the prom too.
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Post by: bullred on April 20, 2011, 12:56:18 PM
Anybody who goes 5 frames in a championship match without hitting the pocket, chosing the wrong ball to play, walks crooked, follow through all over the place. What do we call him?????
Post by: northface28 on April 20, 2011, 02:17:32 PM
5 frames sure is a large sample size. Im sure youve never thrown it bad for 5 frames, ever. Am I right?
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Post by: Russell on April 20, 2011, 03:20:23 PM
Anyone who grabs it at the bottom...hops up out of the shot...chicken wings it slightly...and can't carry a corner pin....what do we call that kind of hack?
Oh wait....that's the greatest that ever walked the earth...
You're obviously a multiple national titleist with perfect form....and have never missed the pocket on any condition more than a few shots. Odd how we've probably never heard of you....
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Post by: StickZ on April 20, 2011, 03:32:27 PM
some of you are idiots! It doesn't matter what it looks like, it's all about being consistent. Look at kevin martin in the nba, shawn marion....they have the funniest looking shots ever but they are damn good at what they do. When you people, who think you are suppose to look like a robot open your eyes and see what really matters maybe you will have a freakin clue. What about Jason Belmote?? His approach is far from ordinary being a two-handed bowler...but i dont hear you bashing him or osku because its not perfection, but its because THEY THROW THE BALL GOOD WHICH IS ALL THAT FREAKING MATTERS!!!...get a grip.
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Post by: sigmaphi9 on April 20, 2011, 05:08:17 PM
Stop ranting.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on April 20, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
We call him better than you. No matter what you say he was on television and you weren't. He has eight regional titles to his name and you don't. That was his first time on live television. We all know you would have been text book and buried twelve shots shoulder deep.
Shut yer pie hole. You're bringing clouds into my sunny disposition with your overwhelming ignorance.
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Post by: mainzer on April 20, 2011, 09:42:35 PM
face it bullred, this guy is way better than you. just because you don't like how it looks doesn't mean he can't bowl. Ability to repeat shots means so much more than overall form. And if he misses the pocket who cares?? Didnt Mike Aulby have the record lowest game TV for quite awhile? I don't know what you think but IMO Aulby is a pretty good bowler and he still has bad games why is Weiss not allowed to have bad games?
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Post by: Strider on April 21, 2011, 03:48:27 AM
C'mon guys, is no one allowed an opinion anymore? Even if the guy throws it 10 times better than me, I can recognize when he throws it bad. And unfortunately, he did throw it bad quite a few times, especially during the championship match. Randy even commented about it during the earlier matches how sometimes his follow through went dead left. You could see his trajectory through the heads and roll were very different.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on April 21, 2011, 10:15:51 AM
That's where I did basic and AIT...
Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on April 21, 2011, 10:18:07 AM
But Garber's style is due to injury.
Post by: StickZ on April 21, 2011, 11:12:14 AM
not ranting, stating the facts.
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Post by: OddBalls on April 21, 2011, 12:22:23 PM
It's not how, but how many..
Granted, he looked like a 160 average bowler (form wise), but you can't argue with results
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Post by: Bigmike on April 22, 2011, 07:00:34 AM
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Post by: JohnP on April 22, 2011, 08:41:13 AM
Would I recommend Weiss's follow through to a student -- NO. But I also wouldn't recommend Don Carter's style, and he was one of the best bowlers ever, and absolutely the best on the conditions of his time. -- JohnP
Post by: JessN16 on April 22, 2011, 03:35:31 PM
Glad someone else has noticed this about Don Carter. From every angle, he was as unorthodox as they came, but because he's a legend of the sport it doesn't get talked about very much. Nevertheless, I kind of chuckle when people say one of their style influences was Don Carter. Either they're not emulating it very well, or they're just saying it to sound knowledgeable.
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Post by: rvmark on April 22, 2011, 07:01:02 PM
To answer the OP's question, simply put he won his way to the finals.
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