Post by: newguy on April 15, 2007, 12:47:01 PM
NEWGUY
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Post by: APheLion on April 15, 2007, 08:52:56 PM
smoothness and predicability
something like the Track Equation
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Post by: a_ak57 on April 15, 2007, 08:55:25 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on April 15, 2007, 09:01:13 PM
Long and Strong !!!!!
I also would buy a ball because of the "new guy", and the beginning of a new era for a new company.
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Post by: Hogsharley on April 15, 2007, 09:03:16 PM
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im not too sure about the seriousness of this post.
newguy is Phil Cardinale, the former Head of D.T. and he is totally serious.
Thanks for the ball promotion and good luck with your 300 Global endeavors.
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Post by: 9orbetter on April 15, 2007, 09:05:13 PM
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Post by: justdale on April 15, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
Former staffer for Columbia300 would be real interested in seeing what Phil and the boys come up with
Post by: buried7pin on April 15, 2007, 09:06:41 PM
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Post by: drillbit on April 15, 2007, 09:06:54 PM
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Post by: dR3w on April 15, 2007, 09:07:00 PM
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Post by: jhutch769 on April 15, 2007, 09:11:40 PM
Post by: themagician on April 15, 2007, 09:11:44 PM
Also more food for thought is a Pearl/Solid hybrid to utizile the best of a pearl ball and solid giving a great reaction, hoping for a light pattern result, like a hot rod hybrid, medium light patterns all the way.
And lastly the dreamy URETHANE WITH A CORE BALL!!
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Post by: Eddie M on April 15, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
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Post by: c-hop on April 15, 2007, 09:16:05 PM
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Post by: DanH78 on April 15, 2007, 09:19:47 PM
Good midlane roll. Strong, contrallable back end reaction.
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Post by: justdale on April 15, 2007, 09:21:19 PM
It's always easier for me to see the ball get to the break point with out any problems. Some of the balls out there right now just don't give you the same look every time.
Post by: Long Roller on April 15, 2007, 09:26:41 PM
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Post by: cnimsk on April 15, 2007, 09:26:44 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on April 15, 2007, 09:29:13 PM
Start your products with something that will handle everything from heavier mediums to the lighter side of mediums. JUST KEEP THE SOAKER!
I am not going to give a ball to take reactions from because those of us that have used your equipment for so long know the basic reaction that your designs give and we are happy with it.
Goodluck to 300Global!!!!!!
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Post by: themagician on April 15, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
Coverstock: Moderate Strength overall, preferably a Solid Reactive, example the Track Slash coverstock
Core: A Medium-Low Rg: 2.49ish, medium Differential ball: .045ish
D/T Crisis Solid, Storm Tour Power, Track Slash, adn most definately THE ORIGINAL V2 BY Ebonite (black and blue solid reactive!) a ball somewhat up there ally's.
And color wise I have no preference, I do prefer ugly equipment though, thats just me though.
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Post by: directdrill on April 15, 2007, 09:33:14 PM
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Post by: Strider on April 15, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
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Post by: Bar5003 on April 15, 2007, 09:42:09 PM
yes its your typical long and strong reaction, but the predictability of the ball is second to none...this is the only ball thats gonna be hard for me to put down once i get my 300 global stuff...but i know you have something in the works that will pry it from my hands Phil!
As i see it, the best 3 reactions you could come out with to start are:
A long and strong, agressive core'd solid reactive (AKA WIDOW/RADAR LOCK)
A smooth rolling even piece, either pure reactive or with a touch of particle (AKA PHEONIX/RADAR ALERT/NIGHT HAWK)
A "weaker" piece to use on lighter volumes (AKA Desert Heat/Equation 2/CRISIS)
and fill in the gaps as needed
Why would i buy a 300 Global Ball? Because you have the some of the best minds in bowling behind your stuff, and with all the R & D im sure is going into this stuff i know it wont disapoint...
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Post by: Long Roller on April 15, 2007, 09:43:07 PM
Is it Tuesday the 17th, or Wednesday the 18th? You have Wednesday the 17th in the topic...
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Post by: Xfest on April 15, 2007, 09:44:15 PM
Thanks again New GUY!
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Post by: baltimora on April 15, 2007, 09:44:17 PM
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Post by: AdrianS on April 15, 2007, 09:50:11 PM
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Post by: qstick777 on April 15, 2007, 09:54:13 PM
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For me a benchmark ball would first. One that the cover can be adjusted to cover medium/heavy to medium/light such as a Slash....9
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Edited on 4/15/2007 9:08 PM
I have to agree with 9. I haven't plugged and redrilled my Slash yet, but I hear it is very versatile. I'm guessing it's a lot like the Black Vendetta - that was a good ball for me - too bad my driller couldn't get my span right!
I also am impressed with the AMF300 Orbit Extreme. I haven't played around with the coverstock yet, but I'm hoping it's versatile as well. I know on a fresh shot it will allow me to play down and in. I used it today on a broken down shot (late afternoon after tons of kiddies and plastic) and was able to play 4th arrow out to around 10.
I also LOVE my Animal - wish I knew about it before they discontinued it! Wouldn't mind seeing something like that again!
I'll throw 300G because I like to throw stuff that is different from what everybody else is throwing. I have a feeling that I'll have trouble finding the product around here - mostly Brunswick, Storm, and Ebonite around here.
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Post by: globalfan on April 15, 2007, 09:55:07 PM
Post by: REVerse on April 15, 2007, 09:56:04 PM
I think that the comments already made on this thread have described the ball we want. It shows class and respect on your part to come on here and get on "our level" by making this post. I honestly feel that by this new endeavor, 300Global will be an instant hit. I am stoked! Thanks buddy. You will have my support!
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Post by: cficare068 on April 15, 2007, 10:02:59 PM
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Post by: Cobrawolf on April 15, 2007, 10:09:24 PM
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I like a mild reactive solid with a medium RG core, medium differential.
Good luck with your new venture.
Post by: NACDale on April 15, 2007, 10:28:26 PM
I have 2 words...
Triton Elite!!!
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Post by: splendorlex on April 15, 2007, 10:41:18 PM
This is what I would personally like to see out of a new ball. One of the problems I have with many new releases is how strong the backend reaction is. This can be phenomenal on a THS, but in tourneys it often leaves me wanting. This is particularly true in what I would call "medium condition" balls. Too many of them, IMO, are just too plain strong. I want a ball that will get through the drying heads, and not overreact in the back part of the lane. I love the reaction of my Mean Machine on medium heavy oil because it NEVER overreacts. It has a nice, smooth, readable transition throughout the lane that helps me reach the pocket consistently on tougher shots as well as gauge the small adjustments necessary to improve carry. Now, when it becomes too strong, many of the "medium" oil balls I have tried turn out to be over/under nightmares. I want to see a smooth, controllable transition down the lane with hitting power and readability, I don't need my "medium" ball to cover 15 boards. Don't even get me started with so called "dry" lane balls. Ugh!
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Post by: KCarter069 on April 15, 2007, 10:56:59 PM
Something compareable to the Storm Domination
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Post by: onlybowling on April 15, 2007, 11:05:58 PM
The ball reaction desired is smooth, even tempered and forgiving. A light oil monster for my summer league would be much appreciated.
In one of your posts, about the time that the Threshhold was released several months ago, you seemed quite excited about your experiments working toward finding the optimum mid-differential. I would like to see that work come to fruition.
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Post by: BigRoss on April 15, 2007, 11:19:30 PM
My Action Max is the first ball that comes to mind.
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Post by: imjouster on April 16, 2007, 02:14:32 AM
Now with all that aside. My personal preference would be something midline, pearlized, with a fairly even roll. something like a wrath, or hijinx. Hope this helps.
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Post by: doubleraven on April 16, 2007, 03:41:04 AM
DP
Post by: Jock on April 16, 2007, 04:56:58 AM
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Post by: BowlerKidR on April 16, 2007, 05:31:45 AM
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Post by: Mark T. Trgovac on April 16, 2007, 05:53:52 AM
The idea shouldnt be to buy the newest and biggest hooking ball every 3 months, or 4 months, ect. To me when you start a company and you are going to let out your first release you need to have the ball that starts you off make a statement as to what your company is for. What I would like to see is a ball that is made for medium conditions when in its OOB state. Then if you need to you can sand it down and have a med-heavy ball or if need be really sand it and have a heavy oil ball. Then you would also like to see the ball be able to taken to a smoother finish and have a mid-light condition ball. The ball has to be versital, yet it must have a consistant reaction, and a life longivity that wont die out after 30-40 games.
There was a ball that was set to hit the market that all these aspects in it. That ball was the phoenix, the brain child of Phil C. while he was back with track. The overall reaction of that ball was something that every bowler needs in there bag. The problem there was the ball wasnt release becasue of some unknown reasons but what ever they were the best ball IMO in almost 3 years was but in its grave before it even took flight. The reason I will buy 3G bowling balls is, the idea that Phil has to release bowling balls in a way to build a complet arsenal is something I like.
I also like the idea of having the mix of symetrical and asymetrical equipment. This blend gives the bowler the ability to have multiple balls with a coverstock they trust but lets them get the smoothness of a symetrical ball that they know will be consistant though the games and the ability to switch to that asymetrical ball when you feel you need to help fine tune your reaction off the breakpoint. I know that everything I stated is something you will find from 300 Global. With the likes of Phil C. in a posistion of power in this company I know we will see alot of his ideas in this company.
To me the reaction I am looking for is the same reaction the phoenix gave. To those who have seen it thrown or thrown this ball, you know what I am talking about. The reaction of this ball needs no statement of how it reacted other then the words of "Strong and smooth through out." That is all I have to say about that reaction and I know Phil can match that reaction so it can finally be let out into the bowling world.
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Post by: triggerman on April 16, 2007, 06:53:10 AM
on med dry to med shots, something that clears the heads but still has enough to make the turn,
on med to med heavy, something that will allow me to move right and shoot up the boards
smooth roll, strong hit, predictible, prolly reactive, maybe a pearl
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Post by: dizzyfugu on April 16, 2007, 07:31:01 AM
What I expect from such a new venture is a start with "sound and versatile" balls. Solid performers for a wide range of use, for basic lane conditions and bowlers' needs. Special interest balls or highz performance stuff is nice, but IMHO not the ultima ratio.
I'd like to see something at the upper range of the performance middle field, e. g. something like the recently deceased Vendetta Black solid, Track's Slash or the early Blades. Could be a solid (sheen) and pearl (polished) reactive version to have a good couple. I'd also prefer a coverstock that does not sacrifice durability for hooking/grip potential. Maintenance/cleaning is O.K., but having the next oil sponge just for the sake of more angular hook is IMHO a dead end and nothing smart to start with. Sure, easy tuning of the surface through sanding or polish would be highly appreciated
As a core, I'd like some core with medium-low RG (2.5-2.53") with a med-high RG diff. (0.04-0.05), symmetric or, if asymmetric, with a low mass bias. Not for the great flip, just with great room for individual adaptation and driller-friendliness.
My personal idea behind these would be a couple of balls for medium-dry and medium-oily conditions, nothing fancy.
Just my 2 cents... anyway, good luck with 300 Global
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Post by: RadioActive on April 16, 2007, 07:34:51 AM
I do not stick to one company, so I am looking forward to seeing what the first ball that 300G will be coming out with.
Good luck Phil!!!
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Post by: jensm on April 16, 2007, 07:35:32 AM
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Post by: chrisleftwich on April 16, 2007, 07:47:11 AM
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Post by: KDawg77 on April 16, 2007, 07:55:00 AM
Many of us who crank the ball experience over-reaction with some reactive resin equipment. The ball I would like to see is similar to the Ebonite SR300: low RG (2.45 to 2.49) and a differential in the high .03x.
The cover should be something like your famed Soaker resin and utilize abraon/TCS cover prep. There appears to be many complaints that Ebonite's GB covers are "dying". Your covers have a reputation for long life.
I'd like mid-lane read, but with a stronger arc on the backend. However, the ball should should not hook-set, but still give good length without snapping hard when reading the dry.
The weight block should be either low mass bias or symmetrical; perhaps even something new like the Lane #1 G-Forces or Brunswick Fury (as just something different)?
Later, you could incorporate a particle pearl cover (one of my personal favorites) and other covers for differing conditions.
In essence, you should have a ball that's a "first ball out of the bag/baseline/league ball" like Columbia300 said it had in the "Big Shot", but marketed for crankers who crave control.
Currently, I'm rolling Hammer, but I'm not locked into any particular company.
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Post by: Leonidas on April 16, 2007, 08:02:54 AM
to buy a ball in a more then 3-ball arsenal, for me, its not about having one more that is versatile, so forget about it. I like a ball when it fits my game and has its own SIGNIFICANT characteristics. If i can move 5 boards left or right i don't changing the ball during a game.
What are people asking for? Its all about the "MOST".
"Most" angular
"Most" rolly
"Most" backend
"Most" overall hook
"Most" this and that
Thats why people buying Purple Vibe and a Mammoth, Black Widow and Angular Ones even a Doom and a Fury. Thats why people have Benchmark Balls and "special use" balls.
So would Buy the "making a perfect circle one" besides the "makes a 90 degree corner after 50 feet one". So dont give me one versatile more, give a specialist.
Just my 2 eurocents.
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 16, 2007, 08:10:01 AM
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Post by: Djarum on April 16, 2007, 08:16:21 AM
There are many important things that I look for when I look for when I want a new bowling ball.
First, I look at where the ball starts to roll on the lane. Many that are out today it seems have two specific type of characteristics. They either have great length and great (sometimes uncontrollable) backend, or they arc really hard. Now for most bowlers, this might be enough, but neither I like really well.
One of my favorite balls of all time was the Track TKO. I loved this ball simply because it wasn't the big arc like the brunswick zones of the time, nor was it the skid snap like some of the storm and ebonite products of the time. It was in between. The medium RG medium-high differential core allowed the ball to roll early, but the mica infused Power Plus reactive gave it the length it had.
The second thing I look for in a bowling ball is coverstock durability. I don't just mean games played. Currently, many of the coverstocks out there will crack. I have seen balls with 30 games on them crack all the way around, even drilled within specs.
The third thing I am looking for is value. Yes, value. Some companies use current coverstocks and modified cores to give us high-performance balls, but to me, they aren't high performance simply because there is really nothing new and exciting about the core or cover. I hate to use company comparisons, but I will. Looking at the Agent from Storm, there really was nothing dramatically new about the ball. Just a lower RG core inside the reactor coverstock. I personally don't think it was worth the high-performance tag. Looking at ebonite(and I hate to use ebonite here, but they do have a gem), they have a radically new core inside a new coverstock with the TNV. Now I have not personally thrown the ball, but so many people in my area have had success. I'm not the biggest fan of the reaction, but I do love how the ball rolls. Reminds me much of how the TKO rolled for me.
I personally feel that the pheonix would have been in the same class of ball as the TNV. A new coverstock and a new core. That is worth the price of high performance.
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Post by: Djarum on April 16, 2007, 08:18:46 AM
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This is what I would personally like to see out of a new ball. One of the problems I have with many new releases is how strong the backend reaction is. This can be phenomenal on a THS, but in tourneys it often leaves me wanting. This is particularly true in what I would call "medium condition" balls. Too many of them, IMO, are just too plain strong. I want a ball that will get through the drying heads, and not overreact in the back part of the lane. I love the reaction of my Mean Machine on medium heavy oil because it NEVER overreacts. It has a nice, smooth, readable transition throughout the lane that helps me reach the pocket consistently on tougher shots as well as gauge the small adjustments necessary to improve carry. Now, when it becomes too strong, many of the "medium" oil balls I have tried turn out to be over/under nightmares. I want to see a smooth, controllable transition down the lane with hitting power and readability, I don't need my "medium" ball to cover 15 boards. Don't even get me started with so called "dry" lane balls. Ugh!
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I invented America.
Proud member of the Track Legion, though I'm seeing other companies on the side.
splendor,
I really know what you are asking. I bowled in a tourney this week and the track area got fried, and quick. I couldn't keep anything on the lane I had, but my dry lane balls simply wouldn't come up. But no company is going to make a high performance light oil ball.
Dj
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Post by: BigB20 on April 16, 2007, 08:25:15 AM
Post by: newguy on April 16, 2007, 08:28:49 AM
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Is it Tuesday the 17th, or Wednesday the 18th? You have Wednesday the 17th in the topic...
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Post by: Deathclutch on April 16, 2007, 08:30:13 AM
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Post by: strikealot on April 16, 2007, 08:32:22 AM
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Post by: morpheus on April 16, 2007, 08:39:49 AM
Post by: 1MechEng on April 16, 2007, 08:44:59 AM
If you want to get your (new) name out, you either need to come out really big with something innovative beyond comparison in the market, or introduce something that has a tremendous amount of value and that appeals to most bowlers.
I'm going with the latter and saying an entry level ball. Something along the lines of a Power Groove. A basic reactive cover stock and mild core that can be a spare ball or dry lanes ball for advanced bowlers, or a ball that will also appeal to the cosmic bowlers. Perhaps a unique or catchy color combination?
The reasoning behind this is that you will be able to target the largest audience with this, your first release. Then you can dive into the more complex releases. This would be a "get your feet wet" kind of release.
This type of ball could also be mass marketed through major sporting goods chains (a la Dicks Sporting Goods, Champs, Wal-Mart, etc.) which would help you build sales volume quickly and allow you to ramp up to the stuff you really want to do.
Good luck!
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Post by: BAPSBill on April 16, 2007, 09:11:49 AM
I don't generate a lot of ball speed, but I've got some decent revs on the ball,so a medium Rg (2.49-2.54) and a Diff .039 -.045 seem like the numbers that work well for me. A new release doesn't have to be a soft, early rolling,hard-hooking monster to take down pins, Just readable,controlable,and USABLE.
Thanks for the opportunity to give some input.
Bill
Post by: TAN on April 16, 2007, 09:19:51 AM
TAN
Post by: kalannar on April 16, 2007, 09:27:41 AM
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Post by: Keith Frye on April 16, 2007, 09:33:59 AM
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Post by: MarvinsSkeleton on April 16, 2007, 09:42:11 AM
As far as a first ball, I agree with everyone on a benchmark type reaction that an arsenal could be built around. For me that would be a nice long, strong arcing motion. Nothing too skid/snap that would show over/under. If that reaction was needed later, then by all means put one out. Of course Brunswick has given me this nice smooth arcing reaction in the past with several different balls, most recently the Vapor Zone.
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Post by: majik13 on April 16, 2007, 09:42:19 AM
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Post by: Stan on April 16, 2007, 09:52:26 AM
I want a ball that gets past the midlane but does not easly go past the breakpoint. I would like to have at least 3 boards to play with at the break.
The ball would have to hit very hard and be usable for most lane conditions.
The ball would also have to sense when it is being thrown from the left side of the lane. When this happens, it should immediatly go onto a end over end roll, the coverstock should release additonal oil, making it go straight for the 7 pin and the track should migrate directly over the thumb hole. Anything thrown on the right side, should be considered normal.
It should keep its box reaction for a least 70 games with very little maintenance.
I would call this ball "A Keeper".
Edited on 4/16/2007 4:55 PM
Post by: kingpin268 on April 16, 2007, 10:23:08 AM
Another thing worth noting, I'm a big fan of bright logos and I'm sure quite a few others are too. Makes it easier to read the ball going down the lane as well as making it more eye appealing to the crowd. As we know, visualization, altough it shouldn't, plays a big part in choosing equipment.
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Post by: dw23 on April 16, 2007, 10:32:19 AM
Thanks,
DW
Post by: shelley on April 16, 2007, 10:39:13 AM
SH
Post by: its a condition on April 16, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 16, 2007, 10:51:14 AM
I liked the strong rolling core with the control based coverstock. No super duper flippy backend, no super grabby particle coverstocks just a strong even rolling ball that can handle a medium-light condition without turning sideways off the oil.
The other option would be the similar reaction in a tame solid resin (like the Blueberry Buzzsaw).
I personally feel that more and more bowlers want smooth and predictable now as opposed to the super duper hook monsters they were seeking a few years ago....
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Post by: B Pirnie on April 16, 2007, 11:07:23 AM
Post by: RealBowler on April 16, 2007, 11:13:35 AM
The track record is enough for me. Phil makes great stuff, and the other guys are top notch too!
Whatever they make, whatever reaction they choose, I'm sure the balls will be great!
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Post by: JohnP on April 16, 2007, 11:23:48 AM
Post by: Brutal Bowler on April 16, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
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Post by: bowl868 on April 16, 2007, 11:42:58 AM
Currently, I have a Special Agent. In the box 2000 grit abralon in can handle heavy to medium heavy effectively. In it's current state of 4000 abralon it handles a medium to medium-heavy shot great. This is all with a standard label drilling, no extra holes. Now with polish I've seen it take on mediums in other's hands very well. This type of product with different drillings and coverstock preps would be the perfect versatile product that you could get into the most bowler's hands immediately.
Post by: Draxond300 on April 16, 2007, 12:10:44 PM
Strong, but simple, core design. Nothing fancy, just power.
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Post by: JMORRIS on April 16, 2007, 12:18:51 PM
Versatile and durable coverstock; Controllable reaction; Simple / proven core.
Looking forward to seeing / using your new products.
Post by: manu57 on April 16, 2007, 12:26:08 PM
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 16, 2007, 01:31:25 PM
The Track EMB core.With something like Rotogrips Ultimate Grip coverstock.
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Post by: davholio on April 16, 2007, 01:32:11 PM
I would buy from 300 global if the company stands behind its products and doesn't release a flood of balls just to get their name out on the market. Not a knock on any company in specific, but I just hate seeing ball after ball for no reason other than someone feels that it is time to release a new one.
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Post by: dpunky on April 16, 2007, 01:53:05 PM
Something similar to the Faball 3D Offset High Rev.
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Post by: bigsexyhammer on April 16, 2007, 01:53:44 PM
I think most everybody wants that perfect first ball out of the bag. That go to, dare I repeat what everyone else has said..."benchmark" ball. A good solid or pearl reactive coverstock that is super succeptible to change. Works good dulled up, works good polished. Tweakable to all levels to the individual. Wrap that around a tryed and true simple symmetrical core, and you have a winner. I will repeat what someone said earlier, in that the Hammer Blade series is a good example of this. A ball that all different types of bowlers can get a good result out of.
Post by: kzoch on April 16, 2007, 02:42:22 PM
In my opinion here are some of the negatives of some of the more popular balls I have bowled with. Black Widow was too clean through the heads and a bit to angular on the back ends.
The Total NV is a great ball that reads the lane well but is gaining a reputation of "dying". It also does not perform well when the heads start breaking down.
The Action was a good ball and could be dulled for a earlier roll and arcing motion and polished for a longer and more angular backend. My complaint was it never demontrated the hitting power of the total NV or Black Widow.
ONe of my favorite benchmark type bowling balls other than the V2 sanded has been Storm's original Paradigm. Clean through the heads, decent midlane read and continous backend with good hitting power. Its downside would be heavy oil and its coverstock notbeing as versitale as the NV.
Hope this helps and best of luck, I would love to sample your first release and give feedback.
Post by: JVan19 on April 16, 2007, 02:51:09 PM
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Post by: wulfpackbwlr on April 16, 2007, 02:55:40 PM
I'm thinking something along the lines of the Black Vendetta. Great benchmark ball that always seems to perform no matter what the condition. I loved the soaker cover stock as well and would love to see that on any of the vendetta cores. I'm also a big fan of the triton series and the thing series and had much success with both. Basically I'd like to see something with the reaction and consistency of the black vendetta wrapped in a soaker cover stock.
I'd buy the ball because of the success I've had with Dyno-Thane and track over the years. At one time was only using Dyno and would love to find equipment to replace the balls from other companies that I have now that I know would perform for longer than 30 games.
Nick
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Post by: thirtyclean on April 16, 2007, 02:56:22 PM
Something along the lyne of the old Black vendetta solid. Something strong,
predictable, and could be used on various conditions, and can take a bit
of usage. ALso, release the Threshold NGS, in which I was lucky to get one
before the release. I could use another !
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Post by: spinner031 on April 16, 2007, 03:55:34 PM
I would like to try a new ball concept; you know, have the "newguy" 300 Global start things off with a bang!
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Post by: Powermachine- on April 16, 2007, 04:02:43 PM
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Post by: axeweldr on April 16, 2007, 05:52:45 PM
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Post by: rackattack on April 16, 2007, 05:59:23 PM
It's just that easy to get my business.
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Post by: Spartan on April 16, 2007, 06:24:20 PM
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Post by: zdfuhsdsbdbd on April 16, 2007, 06:39:47 PM
So, how about a 2 piece reactive version of the MSG Star Trak? The baseball size styrofoam core with a 2 1/2 inch reactive coverstock. Pinned on the bottom as those balls were.
We discussed every ball you guys made from 1975 to 1989 when you started Track, Inc. He said when you worked for him he thought you were brilliant, and Star Trak core designs were incredible. Too bad www.bowlingballreviews.com does not have complete schematics and drill sheets on the balls. The younger people on this site would be amazed at the core technology started in the 1970's by you and Dick Haas, along with John Fabanich, Carmen Salvino, and Mo Pinel.
People would also be amazed that particle balls go back to the 1960's and you guys used crushed walnuts, ash, and rosin in the particle Star Traks like the Star Trak Pro. I use to own every ball Star trak ever put out. If you design a new ball, I would try it. I am looking at replacing my current Columbia and Track stuff when they wear out.
John
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Post by: beast1413 on April 16, 2007, 06:42:25 PM
Post by: SpareK on April 16, 2007, 06:52:39 PM
A>A
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Post by: Re-Evolution on April 16, 2007, 08:23:13 PM
Apotheosis - (Exaltation to divine rank or stature.
Elevation to a preeminent or transcendent position)
symmetrical single density core
RG - 2.54-2.58
Diff - .040-.045
solid cover formulated to cover heavier side of medium with a strong continuous arc, somewhere around a 1200-1500 smooth OOB surface.
Paragon - (A model of excellence or perfection of a kind.
A person or thing so excellent as to have no equal or match)
symmetrical multi density core (same as above with center nugget added)
RG - 2.5-2.54
Diff - .040-.045
pearl cover formulated to cover lighter side of medium with a strong continuous arc, 1500-2000 + polish.
I feel that balls in this range work great for a few reasons.
Cover - I like a strong arc when OOB cause it is middle of the road and can be changed to more flip or arc without drastic changes to the surface prep.
RG - Low enough to allow the ball to read the midlane but not so low that it expends it's energy too quickly after it encounters friction.
Diff - High enough to give you enough flare for proper read yet low enough to be receptive to various changes whether it be surface prep, release, balance hole location, etc. I find that with balls that are near the limits it is harder to manipulate them because the motors are so strong making them quite condition specific.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on April 16, 2007, 08:30:02 PM
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How about a remake of the Threshold NGS.Not very many were made,and I missed out on that one.
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That's what I was thinking.
I'd love to be one of the first to throw a 300 Global ball. It's a shame that you didn't get your chance to help take Track to the next level, but I'm glad you're getting a chance to do it for yourself. Oh, and I'm getting a sweet job soon, so if I don't get picked for the free ball, I'll be able to buy the first release.
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Post by: Matt Fortney on April 16, 2007, 08:59:52 PM
now that's just me, that might not be the way you should start a line. seems like the more hook the better nowadays, but if you can make a ball that i can play REALLY deep with, and still has a really good finish, (mainly so i don't leave flat 10's), i'd go with solid reactive, with a real skid-flippy type core in it.
***on edit*** some eye-catching colors would be good too...in my opinion, the brighter the better! for instance, the new awesome finish's color are cool, along with the raw hammer doom.
Matt
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Post by: CPA on April 16, 2007, 09:45:53 PM
Post by: Dozer on April 16, 2007, 11:49:45 PM
!Either way, my next ball will be from 300 Global.
Post by: alcornel on April 17, 2007, 12:11:19 AM
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Post by: AdrianS on April 17, 2007, 04:25:50 AM
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Time for some REAL bowling!!!
Post by: Lancer4Life on April 17, 2007, 05:21:59 AM
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Post by: ChrisLak on April 17, 2007, 06:17:55 AM
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Post by: Fatboy8 on April 17, 2007, 06:59:15 AM
2. Surface~ A cover that holds up, doesn't need a "bath" treatment after 20-50 games
3. Predictability~ gives a nice read, good roll, and a benchmark type ball that you can roll alot of different lines with.
4. A lead-off ball. Something you can build around, such as the Inferno/Zone line has had. Something you can make a 4-6 ball arsenal out of.
I'm always open to try new equipment out there. You never know how good something can be, unless you give it a try.
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Post by: Shaggy on April 17, 2007, 07:41:37 AM
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Post by: trogdor on April 17, 2007, 02:13:56 PM
I would suggest something along the lines of the Storm Special Agent. It is an extremely versatile ball and has a great following. If you can create something similar to that, then you would have a gold mine.
Once again, good luck with the new company!
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on April 17, 2007, 02:16:35 PM
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The 17th is today (Tuesday).
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Post by: shelley on April 17, 2007, 02:21:55 PM
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Perfect Ball= How about the name
(PERFECTION)
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It's about the love of the game ,the countless hours practicing ,and that hard hitting ,pin crushing , ear shattering sound. We call it (Perfection)
Ummm, Fred Borden might have few (http://"http://123bowl.com/ball.asp?ballid=2245") things (http://"http://123bowl.com/ball.asp?ballid=2087") to say about that.
SH
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Post by: trogdor on April 17, 2007, 02:25:20 PM
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Post by: BOWLGNUT on April 17, 2007, 02:59:16 PM
Post by: DynoMo on April 17, 2007, 03:36:07 PM
Post by: Hogsharley on April 17, 2007, 03:56:37 PM
With that said, I would love to see a true symmetical low rg core. One without flip blocks. A core that just about anyone can rev. The cover stock has to be a durable reactive resin with a least 2000 grit abralon or higher. The ball has to mid priced (for the masses) but high performance (i.e. Black Widow) with a catchy name (Element ZR40 just doesn't work for me) and good color sceme. I would stay away from browns and oranges.
The ball should be made for medium conditions (most bowlers would say that they bowl on medium conditions and therefore buy a ball to fit that condition) and be able to get down the lane with ease. The ball should not be jumpy or snappy on the back part of the lane but angular only in the last third of the lane. The more arcing a ball is, the easier it is to control. The cover also has to be long lasting and low maintenence just like the Big Rig Diesel or the Vertigo. "Ball death" is a big issue when people buy bowling balls. The bowler who buys only one ball a year does not want to hear that his new ball may "die" in only 60 games.
I know D.T. was the first to come out with the now ever popular "soaker" coverstocks, but these newer balls are high maintenance for the once a week, casual bowler. In the near future, if possible, I would like to see 300 Global make a low maintenance soaker. I think a ball like that would be very popular.
As for names, how about Thor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor
It's masculine and not taking by anyone else. Thanks!
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Post by: shelley on April 17, 2007, 04:08:24 PM
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The more angular a ball is, the easier it is to control.
Uhhh....that's never been my idea of easy to control. More angular typically means more over-under, less predictable, and less controllable.
quote:
I know D.T. was the first to come out with the now ever popular "soaker" coverstocks, but these balls are high maintenance for the once a week, casual bowler. In the near future, if possible, I would like to see 300 Global make a low maintenance soaker. I think a ball like that would be very popular.
The point of Soaker is to have long life without requiring heavy maintenance. Almost anything will last forever if you maintain it obsessively. My limited experience with Soaker (I have a Thing Lives and an Energy, both with 300+ games) tells me that they require little maintenance at all.
SH
Post by: volley_man on April 17, 2007, 04:13:21 PM
Thanks for the possible opportunity newguy!!
V_M
Post by: kmanestor22 on April 17, 2007, 04:59:37 PM
Mid-Priced? Versatile?
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Post by: shelley on April 17, 2007, 05:02:59 PM
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Do you guys realize most of you a describing a T-Road Pearl? Long and Strong?
Mid-Priced? Versatile?
We're describing a reaction that every company has in their arsenal from at least one ball, usually several balls at different price ranges. Shouldn't come as a big surprise.
SH
Post by: Joebowler98 on April 17, 2007, 05:11:48 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on April 17, 2007, 05:34:18 PM
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Post by: rexb300 on April 17, 2007, 05:34:20 PM
and the color has to be right to fit the name.
thanks
Rex T-Rex
Post by: No Open Tenths on April 17, 2007, 06:24:32 PM
Good Luck in all your ventures!
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Post by: JS on April 17, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
First off, good luck with your new venture. I wish you much success (your success will translate into our success).
I would like to see a good medium condition, benchmark ball that could be adjusted for heavier/medium or lighter/medium with tweaking. This would be a good first ball that you could start building an arsenal from. It should be solid resin, maybe a solid/pearl hybrid, with a coverstock that is both durable and thick. The cover should be able to get through the heads to save energy and also be able to handle carrydown. I would like to see a symmetric core with a low RG and medium Diff. It should also have a high Coefficient of Restitution (does anybody still use this term?). Thanks for all of the sharing of information you do on this board and for asking for our input. Good luck....John
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Post by: shelley on April 17, 2007, 07:28:35 PM
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I want a ball that I can throw 18.5 mph on med-heavy oil with about 350rpms around 20 board and swing to 10 and have come back and strike with ease
That would be the remote controlled ball.
SH
Post by: nd300 on April 17, 2007, 07:28:35 PM
1.Durable,yet tunable coverstock.
2.Driller friendly to any style,from high to low track players,and full rollers also.
3.Medium to high medium RG for predictability.
4.Medium price range.
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Post by: Hogsharley on April 17, 2007, 08:12:44 PM
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The more angular a ball is, the easier it is to control.
Uhhh....that's never been my idea of easy to control. More angular typically means more over-under, less predictable, and less controllable.
My bad Shelly. I meant a ball that is arcing. Not angular as I described "not being to snappy".
quote:
I know D.T. was the first to come out with the now ever popular "soaker" coverstocks, but these balls are high maintenance for the once a week, casual bowler. In the near future, if possible, I would like to see 300 Global make a low maintenance soaker. I think a ball like that would be very popular.
quote:
The point of Soaker is to have long life without requiring heavy maintenance. Almost anything will last forever if you maintain it obsessively. My limited experience with Soaker (I have a Thing Lives and an Energy, both with 300+ games) tells me that they require little maintenance at all.
Alot of people are talking about ball death with some of these new coverstocks, i.e. C300 EPX. I was not directing my comments just to D.T. balls.
But yes, if you do clean and maintain the coverstocks, they will last.
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Post by: Dynoboy on April 17, 2007, 10:04:06 PM
Post by: shelley on April 17, 2007, 11:32:51 PM
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Alot of people are talking about ball death with some of these new coverstocks, i.e. C300 EPX. I was not directing my comments just to D.T. balls.
But yes, if you do clean and maintain the coverstocks, they will last.
The epoxy cover is not even in the same league as the new generation of covers designed for longevity. The trend today is towards longer-lasting covers, and Soaker really led that charge five or six years ago when the original Element came out. Activator, PK18, Reactor, Soaker, and Lanemasters covers are all very long lasting, lower-maintenance covers. Some balls are higher maintenance, but there are plenty of very long lasting covers available that are low maintenance.
SH
Post by: wasted talent on April 18, 2007, 01:54:25 AM
Post by: crusher267658 on April 18, 2007, 02:15:07 AM
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Post by: gfh2a on April 18, 2007, 02:56:53 AM
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Post by: LAA on April 18, 2007, 05:13:21 AM
When looking at the incredible number of new releases ball companies put out, I believe we really are just debating on the hot ball of the month. I believe most equipment is an overlap of something else that has been released.
In this area, I'm confident once again (you) 300Global will be an innovator of product, while the majority of other ball companies are followers.
Some of the best equipment over the past 10-15 years has come from the old Track line and Dyno-Thane lines.
It would be hard for anybody to argue that has thrown the Thing Returns, the Black Vendetta or an Element over a period of time, that these balls are not exceptional.
Going back further, the Triton, Synergy and Critical Mass series balls gave an even look throughout the lane, which displaying the "POP" on the backend needed in that time.
It shows that some tweaking of the "older" ball lines, such as the NightHawk, the core and updated cover combination work well.
This is where I believe the new Phoenix would have exceled and hope that 300 Global will release a ball of this type.
Thanks,
LAA
Post by: sdbowler on April 18, 2007, 08:59:32 AM
From older Track balls I really LOVED the TKO. With the releases prioir to the Heat 2 I think that the TKO may have been the best ball up to that point. So something with reaction like that would be great.
From Brunswick I would have to say something along the Inferno line. I have the OI and the Smokin Inferno. I just can't put the SI down. I love that ball.
A couple ideas comparing to a couple balls. I would say for a new company and a new ball you would want to put out a new core and coverstock. I would have to agree with people and say a ball with a good long life in the cover. We have to remember that the lower average bowler who does not buy many new balls per year or a couple of years are still the higer percentage in bowling. So a ball that would help that group of people would be good. Now a ball for the higher end bowler I would want to see something that like many others have said a benchmark ball. Something that gets good length and a good backend but not to strong.
Best of luck with the new company can't wait to see what you release and thanks for doing this. Show's that you trust people on this board by asking what we want.
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Post by: avikingfan on April 18, 2007, 09:39:45 AM
Hammer 3-d offset, strong and predictable.
Post by: Brunner on April 18, 2007, 09:48:08 AM
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Post by: Jorge300 on April 18, 2007, 09:54:19 AM
I don't care what it is, I want it. Phil you have shown that you have a great knack for creating new and innovative coverstocks and matching them up with strong cores. We could sit here all day and say this or that, but I think your knowledge of this sport goes well beyond ours. Create it and we will come. 300Global will produce the best balls out there, your past at Track and Dynothane prove that.
But if I must be specific, the best thing you can offer is something that gets through the heads, even when they are drying up, begins reading in the midlane but stores enough energy to create good angles to the pocket in the back. This way it can be thrown straight up the boards (with heavy oil and/or for those players with high balls speeds) or can move inside and swing it (when the lanes dry up or for those crankers with slower ball speeds).
Lastly, good luck with your company Phil, we will all be hoping you are very successful.
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Post by: charlesrob on April 18, 2007, 10:12:42 AM
I don't buy many balls, but the lanes have been changed from wood to a synthetic where I bowl. My old lightly polished particle Storm Super Power ball doesn't seem to be a good match. I am looking for a long life solid resin ball with a tuneable cover to create a little more entry angle on the pocket and still be able to handle a small amount of carry down, all this without a hockey stick type hook. In my mind this is what I would expect from a mild to medium soaker coverstock on a symmetrical core of medium RG. Hope this helps.
Post by: Eddie M on April 18, 2007, 10:15:31 AM
Post by: allstarbowling-Joe on April 18, 2007, 11:10:46 AM
From a proshop perspective what I would like to see:
- Benchmark ball
This should be something in the Hammer Doom, Ebonite Smash Time Pearl
slot. Something that the once a week bowler who has one ball would buy,
along with the customers who want to build an arsenal around a piece. Keep
it reactive with a symmetrical core and Medium RG/Diff. - Shelf appeal
This is big! Please do not produce a ball that performs but lacks the
pizazz that the average league bowler whats to see on the shelf. Yes I know
its sad but if it looks boring or way too exotic it will alienate 50% of
the market (seniors, etc). Think colors like the Doom, Magnum 44, Black Widow, Smash Time Pearl - Price
Price needs to be a big concern! The average bowler in pro shops will purchase
in the mid price category but the high end stuff sells at a lot slower pace
and quantity. Make something affordable to the masses to get your name out
there and for them to want to give it a try. Something new in the $189-$199
price range just wont sell because no one will fork over that kind of money
on a name they do not know.
Hope this helps,
Joe
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Post by: newguy on April 18, 2007, 04:01:37 PM
By the way based on the input we received and the requests we have decided to give you what you asked for so here goes, you want a ball that is medium Rg but rolls like a low rg ball, has a low diff but reads the lane like a high diff, is clean through the front but hooks mid lane, is smooth down the lane but flips hard at the pocket. It is solid reactive but looks like a pearl and rolls like a particle when the oil is heavy but clears the front when the oil is light.Oh ya and is smooth yet flippy. So as you can see we clearly understand your wishes.
Actually all kidding aside you guys were a great help we are sorting through each and every post, compiling the data and will post what we think we heard next week. Thank you all for your support, we are trying to make this your company so your input really counts.
NEWGUY
Post by: Djarum on April 18, 2007, 04:04:05 PM
Dj
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Post by: shelley on April 18, 2007, 04:09:17 PM
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By the way based on the input we received and the requests we have decided to give you what you asked for so here goes, you want a ball that is simultaneously like every ball currently in production
Remote control ball it is, then. All balls to all bowlers through the power of remote control. Leaving a pesky 5-pin on a light hit? No problem, pull back on the control stick and it jumps out of the pit and hits it. Damn blowout 7-10? No problem, easier to convert than throwing two balls.
SH
Post by: newguy on April 25, 2007, 09:22:32 AM
1) Solid reactive
2) Low to medium low Rg
3) Medium Differential
4) Smooth mid lane transition
5) Strong continuous arc
Basically that is the performance we are targeting out of the gate. Once again thank you all.
NEW GUY
Post by: Djarum on April 25, 2007, 01:04:00 PM
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The Winner is absolutebowling. Thank you all for your input. We have decided on the arsenal based on the feed back. We will post more info on the balls in the arsenal in the next few weeks. What we have seen in most responses were the following
1) Solid reactive
2) Low to medium low Rg
3) Medium Differential
4) Smooth mid lane transition
5) Strong continuous arc
Basically that is the performance we are targeting out of the gate. Once again thank you all.
NEW GUY
And here I thought absolutebowling was a Visionary staff tester. How's that going to work out?
I also had the feeling that you guys already decided on what you were going to do anywyas
Dj
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Post by: Leonidas on April 25, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
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The Winner is absolutebowling. Thank you all for your input. We have decided on the arsenal based on the feed back. We will post more info on the balls in the arsenal in the next few weeks. What we have seen in most responses were the following
1) Solid reactive
2) Low to medium low Rg
3) Medium Differential
4) Smooth mid lane transition
5) Strong continuous arc
Basically that is the performance we are targeting out of the gate. Once again thank you all.
NEW GUY
Congratulations to the winner, if you give a second away just give a call, haha ;-). If NewGuys Attitude continues in business i guess all the Bowling community will win.
Post by: Eddie M on April 25, 2007, 01:34:37 PM
just kidding...
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Post by: shelley on April 25, 2007, 02:26:48 PM
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Make a Urethane ball with a Assymetric core, like the Machine core or something.
Yeah, a lot of "real bowlers" will buy a ball that doesn't hook much. As great as anyone would think that ball is, it simply won't sell next to Ones, Total NVs, Furys, Infernos, and Agents.
"Slate Blue Gargoyle! Slate Blue Gargoyle!!!" you scream, the spittle flying from your lips. Visionary's said that it was never a big seller when it was in production and they don't understand why there's so much interest in it now that it's discontinued.
As a first ball, an asymmetric urethane would flop and pretty much doom the company. You can't sell a ball like that for a high-end price, possibly not even at the mid-range. A complex, asymmetric, multi-density core is not cheap, and high end balls that don't hook tend to flop.
SH
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Post by: newguy on April 25, 2007, 05:18:03 PM
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Oh wow! Absolutebowling had such a great answer!!NOT!!
Like absolutebowling's answer was precise and detailed. I saw way better answers and input than what he gave. How come you picked his? We all have a right to know.
After all, you wanted our opinions as to what we are looking for.
Basically I took all the responses less the ones I added and divided it by a secret number I will not disclose and came up with a number that was the winning post.
Post by: DanH78 on April 25, 2007, 05:31:11 PM
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Congrats to Tonx (absolutebowling) for winning the RANDOMLY picked contest.
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Post by: AdrianS on April 26, 2007, 05:04:34 AM
!!!!)haha!!! And thanks for the heads up on that Heat Tonx, i've got one of my best minions on the job there(coz i havent got an Ebay account myself)
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Post by: Djarum on April 26, 2007, 08:16:14 AM
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Holy fork....
I won something?
No, seriously?
Cool
In reply to the guys concerned about my association with VBP, I'm not actually a test staffer, I am just a huge fan of most of the smaller companies, and so far, Visionary has been the stand out for me. Because I drill alot of gear from them, (for myself, and for the guys around here that use them) I'm always more than happy to give layout advise
Pm has been sent Phil. As a few of you know here, I'm one of those damn Aussies, and I have offered to pay postage costs if needed. It will be interesting watching the progress of this new company in the industry.
Thanks again Phil!
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Congrats on the win Tonx.
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