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Mighty Fish

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USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« on: November 22, 2014, 01:26:52 PM »
USBC has "closed the door" for good with regard to reconsideration of the 1982 decision to deny certification of Glenn Allison's 900 series.

Things have certainly changed. Nowadays, virtually every scoring feat is approved, even though USBC awards are no longer forthcoming for many of them.

http://bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622323089
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2014, 03:48:30 PM »
We care because most of the recognized 900s have not been shot on particularly tough shots, although probably legal.  Brickguy, even if it was blocked and I don't know that for sure, he bowled the 900 on the second shift. He had also bowled the first shift, (on a different pair) and both with a plastic ball. If they were blocked, I doubt it was still intact the second shift. And, why didn't he shoot better the first shift when the block was fresh?
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2014, 06:34:54 PM »
Bottom line, I understand the position of those who support that USBC on this.  However I stand by my opinion that not finding a way to appropriately recognize a feat that we all know to be a greater accomplishment than any sanctioned 900 since diminishes the USBC in terms of respect. 
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2014, 07:08:54 PM »
Quote from: avabob on November 24, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
The problem with looking at it in terms of the "rules in place" at the time is that there was absolutely nothing but the crudest methods available to measure lane compliance in terms of oiling.   5 different local secretaries  could have checked those lanes and probably come up with a 3-2 decision either way on whether the lanes complied with the rules then in effect.

 Furthermore the rules in effect at the time argument doesn't cut it with me either.  Rules in effect at the time didn't allow negro players in the major leagues, but that didn't stop baseball from retroactively putting many negro league players in the hall of fame when the error of the policy was finally addressed. 

Thank you, yet again, Bob, for putting what many of us think/believe but are not able to put into the proper words. You have voiced what I have thought and believed.

The USBC has constantly rejected opportunities to put right what was originally left in limbo, for want of a better phrase. There are many reasons for them "to do the right thing"; yet they have consistently rejected them.
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2014, 10:38:19 PM »
Charlest,

Why would approving Allison's 900 be "the right thing?" I understand that it woul be the nice thing, a gesture on the part of the organization that says, hey, you did something remarkable, and the sketchy lane-certification practices of the time jobbed you out of the recognition you would otherwise have gotten. I get it; that would be nice, but why is not doing so the wrong thing? That's the part I am failing to understand from the other side. If it's about recognition, I would argue that the controversy surrounding ABC/USBC's refusal to certify has made Allison's 900 the most famous in bowling history. I hear this discussed even more than the likely farse that was the Mushtare situation. Everyone seems to know about Allison's 900, so what has he really lost in all of this? Plus, again, how can you dog an organization for sticking to its rules? If they flip-flopped on other scores from that time period, I would say it's wrong to screw Allison and leave his out, but if they stay consistent, I don't see how what they are doing is wrong. It may not be nice, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2014, 07:59:39 AM »
I think the biggest issues are the lack of clarity (imo at least) on why they have denied it and there appears to be some questions on the validity of the data they used to reject it.  The problem is this has become so mythical at this point there's no way to know what is fact and what is fiction. 

Here's what I do know: I've been bowling for 20+ years.  If someone came up to me and asked me who has bowled a 900 series, the ONLY name that would come off the top of my head is Allison.  I know others have done it (and not all of them did it prebowling in their parent's house), but the only name that comes to mind is Glenn Allison.  It would take some prodding to remember the prebowling guy's name, and frankly that's the way it should be in my mind.  I wouldn't know anyone else's name that's done it. 
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2014, 09:10:16 AM »
Ran across this if anyones interested.


 Glenn Allison "Night of the 900" Bowling Story - La Habra 300 Bowl

On July 2nd, 2014, Glenn Allison tells the story of the night he threw the first 900 series bowled in league play, bowled at La Habra 300 Bowl. The series was rolled on July 1, 1982.Thirty-two years later, he is still appealing the USBC to sanction it and overrule their lane condition concern.
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Re: USBC once again says "no" to certification of Allison's 900
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2014, 06:17:05 AM »
Everyone interested might find this informative:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTAH3SVLRDk&feature=youtu.be
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