Author Topic: What is considered Par bowling today (Read 7464 times)

Gazoo · « **on:** September 02, 2006, 08:49:46 AM »

There was a time when par bowling was considered a 200 ave. With the influx of high scores (honor & averages), what does one think par bowling is today? This applies to the standard shot of today and not sport bowling. With the medium average at about 178 today verus 168 of earlier times, par bowling would be at 210 maintaining that 10 pin increase. The 220 and 230 averages we see are only representive of about 10% of bowlers. So the question is if you agree with this 10 pin increase, is there really a problem (except for that 10%) with the current status of bowling.

trash heap · « **Reply #16 on:** September 03, 2006, 10:36:32 PM »

You haven't been paying attention. My logic still fits. Averages are up because of the improvement in Ball Technology, and NOT because of the improved athlete.

scotts33 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 03, 2006, 11:04:24 PM »

trash heap,

Besides ball technology the largest reason averages are up is the THS lane condition with modern equipment. The funnel to the pocket IMO is the main reason for averages improving.

I doubt Joe average kegler has become a better athlete. There are more over weight people in the USA today than there were 20 years ago.

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trash heap · « **Reply #18 on:** September 03, 2006, 11:28:36 PM »

I agree totally Scotts33. I forgot to mention THS in my last post.

trash heap · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2006, 11:34:32 AM »

Let's take today's top league bowler who has the following: Ability to throw faster, With More Revs, and more knowledge , and put him up against a top league bowler from 30 years ago.

Game 1: Take away high tech equipment and use conditions from 30 years ago.

Game 2: Use high tech equipment and THS.

My opinion is that the guy from 30 years ago would clearly win game 1 and if he doesn't win game 2 it would be alot closer than game 1.

trash heap · « **Reply #20 on:** September 04, 2006, 12:01:11 PM »

Track and Field is over at http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/beijing/index_uk.asp. This is a bowling site. In case you have forgotten.

trash heap · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2006, 01:51:04 PM »

The point I am trying to make is this: THS and Ball Tech has made it easier to achieve a 200 Average.

Bowlers that compete today, have stockpiles of bowling equipment. Why? It helps them with their game. If they are so much more talented athletes now, they should be able to go to any tournament with one ball and win, Instead of:

If the lanes are light oil - Use ball 1

If the lanes are light/medium oil - Use ball 2

If the lanes are medium oil - Use ball 3.

If the lanes are medium/heavy oil - Use ball 4

If the lanes are heavy oil - They use ball 5.

If there is carry down - They use ball 6.

If the lanes are dry - They use ball 7.

Cheetah Pattern - Ball 8 or Ball 9 or Ball 10

Scorpion - Balls 11, 12, 13

Shark - Balls 14, 15, 16, 17

Chameleon - Balls 18, 19, 20

Viper - Balls 21, 22, 23

USBC Masters -Ball 23, 24, 25

Championship - Ball 26, 27, 28

Regional Pattern 1 - Balls 29, 30

Regional Pattern 2 - Balls 31, 32

Regional Pattern 3 - Balls 33, 34

Regional Pattern 4 - Balls 35, 36

Regional Pattern 5 - Balls 37, 38

Hoinke - Balls 39, 40

Super Hoinke - Balls 41, 42

Mess up my opponents Line in practice - Ball 43

Help my line in practice - Ball 44

I might be exaggerating this a little bit...or again...I might not be.

Rileybowler · « **Reply #22 on:** September 04, 2006, 02:08:04 PM »

Many many times people have come on this site complaining how some guy who didn't know how to bowl who would miss his target by 5 or sis boards would still strike . Lets be realistic if the shot was halfway hard no way can you miss your mark by that much and strike. I see guys come on here talking about bowling 300 games after bowling for a year or averaging 200 after a year now that was tatally unheard of a few years ago. I would like to see some of these hook in a box throw on a sport patern or a halfway tuff shot I'm sure they would not do to well part of the problem is the houses putting down a very very easy shot just throw anywhere to right ball comes hooking back no problem. I think everyone would admit that their average would go down on sport shot but the true good bowlers average would not go down as much. How about a tournament using just one ball and a plastic ball for single pin spares.
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Rileybowler · « **Reply #23 on:** September 04, 2006, 02:09:31 PM »

Many many times people have come on this site complaining how some guy who didn't know how to bowl who would miss his target by 5 or sis boards would still strike . Lets be realistic if the shot was halfway hard no way can you miss your mark by that much and strike. I see guys come on here talking about bowling 300 games after bowling for a year or averaging 200 after a year now that was tatally unheard of a few years ago. I would like to see some of these hook in a box throw on a sport patern or a halfway tuff shot I'm sure they would not do to well part of the problem is the houses putting down a very very easy shot just throw anywhere to right ball comes hooking back no problem. I think everyone would admit that their average would go down on sport shot but the true good bowlers average would not go down as much. How about a tournament using just one ball and a plastic ball for single pin spares.
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Carl

NateNice · « **Reply #24 on:** September 04, 2006, 02:35:10 PM »

quote:
Let's take today's top league bowler who has the following: Ability to throw faster, With More Revs, and more knowledge , and put him up against a top league bowler from 30 years ago.

Game 1: Take away high tech equipment and use conditions from 30 years ago.

Game 2: Use high tech equipment and THS.

My opinion is that the guy from 30 years ago would clearly win game 1 and if he doesn't win game 2 it would be alot closer than game 1.

You can have an opinion to be sure, but no one can be certain.

I could use my urethane ball and still throw 180+ on just about any oil pattern. I've known people to even do this on difficult shots where no one is scoring. Just throw that urethane with the mild hook and get some strikes and pick up the easy spares. Get a 190 no problem which is often enough to make a cut. The bring out the real equipment to compete with the high rollers. It's a strategy anyways.

My point is any good bowler from any generate can hit the pocket consistently. It's not that hard, with any kind of ball or any kind of shot.

Modern balls give much better angle and hit better therefore scoring better, no doubt. But the good bowler is going to pick up their spares just the same, and they do. Spare shooting hasn't changed at all in the last 30 years. It's a plastic or urethane ball thrown on a line with the pin(s) left.

So, if we can agree a good bowler today throws spares as well as a good bowler from 30 years ago (and spare conversion percentages have actually gone up!) and since spares are all about general accuracy, isn't it fair to say that todays bowler is just as accurate as bowlers from 30 years ago?

So, it's not like people are just tossing balls anywhere and they're striking. You still have to be accurate to strike well and often. You still have to be a good bowler to average around 200.

The modern ball helps and attacks the pins better than ever, but this is what technology does.

And so what? The game has changed. 200 isn't the barometer anymore. Bowlers are expected to score higher with modern balls. Fine. I think everyone knows this.

But the good bowlers still get their spares.

Lets also remember that bowling isn't the toughest game on earth. Anyone can throw a strike. It's a game of consistency and that's how it is scored. The game rewards the player who can do things over and over. The good player can do this.

NateNice · « **Reply #25 on:** September 04, 2006, 02:40:26 PM »

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Definition of Athlete:A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

1. Strength: Agree! It has improved.

2. Agility: Improved? I am not sure for what purpose. I do not know much quickness and nimbleness is needed today vs. years ago. I going to state NO.

3. Endurance: Nope don't see any improvement here either. Guys bowled back then as much as they do now.

One out of three. Based on my LOGIC: I guess your right, bowling is the only sport where the athlete hasn't improved.

Agility in terms of release speed. People didn't have the release we have now days to generate a ton of revs. It's not so much a function of strength as it is a function of a quick, snapping release. The bowling swing and release are kind of a combination strength and agility.

Endurance probably not so much. Modern bowlers are often in better shape than bowlers of the past, but it's not across the board either way.

trash heap · « **Reply #26 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:26:34 PM »

NateNice,

I think there were bowlers 30 years ago that could rev the ball just as much as today, its just they didn't have equipment with cores and super friction coverstocks that could hook the lane and rip through the rack.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone refer to somebody's bowling agility. Most of the time, I hear it referred to as power and strength.

trash heap · « **Reply #27 on:** September 04, 2006, 07:02:03 PM »

Chewmiester,

The one ball theory really works for a beginner bowler. It teaches the fundamentals of learning to throw consistently. Putting the time upfront to work on a consistent release pays off. Sound mechanics with weak equipment will always beat Poor Mechanics with high end equipment. Getting some proper coaching can improve ones game quicker than a truck full of bowling balls.

I am pretty sure that wall shots did NOT go back to laquer days. THS was created to produce high scoring environment. Who ever figured it out should have got copyrights for it. He would be a millionaire today. There is no problem with centers doing what they have to do to keep customers. They are free to do what ever they want. Its just like it was stated earlier, people are achieving a 200 avg quicker today then in years past. My opinion is because of the THS and Ball Tech.

trash heap · « **Reply #28 on:** September 06, 2006, 08:12:11 PM »

AA1,

The original question was....could you stand toe to toe with your father when he was bowling a higher average 20 years ago and on the condition he bowled on back then?

And I am assuming your answer is yes.

You are definitely one of the few who can score higher with your Crown Jewel, than your UI and SI. If don't mind me asking....

What is your average with the Crown Jewel in league?

Is your Crown Jewel your primary ball in league and tournaments?

Why take anything else?

You are definitely a better bowler without the new equipment.

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