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Yelled At...
« on: June 05, 2007, 01:45:10 AM »
I was a Youth Bolwing Coach this past winter. Towards the end fo the season I had a child ask me how to throw a hook. I told him how he should release the ball and to see what the ball is doing, then he could make adjustments that were needed. He did well, nice form, nice release.

Well the person in-charge of the youth program heard about it and pulled me aside and told me that I was nto supposed to be teaching the kids to throw a hook. That was nto what we were supposed to be doing. I was informed that during the league, I was not to change anything about their bowling. When I informed her that he asked me to show him how to throw a hook, she said, "THAT IS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE." Yes, she was yelling during this exchange and I asked her why we were there.  To summerize what she said, we were there to watch the kids. So basically as we are not there to coach the kids, we are there to babysit. If that is the case, then why are we called YOUTH COACHES?

Was I wrong in trying to help a kid throw a hook?
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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 01:04:15 PM »
Because of the risk of wrist and tendon injury i have to disagree with you, i have seen injury happen at my home house with a 12 year old that was trying to turn up the ball after having a house pro show him how to hook the ball.

So it is different to show proper techinque's versus showing them how to hook a ball, i agree with you that it is ok if the parents and the child wish to know how to do it though.

Hooking a ball is not the same exact thing as proper foul line leverage and proper form to get to the foul line.

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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 01:22:54 PM »
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If you had the parents permission yes it is ok, if not you are out of line for going there. It is that simple on this matter, think about it would you not like another person to not ask you about your child asking you for the help??


So as a youth bowling coach, I need to ask the permission of every parent before I give any advice to their child?  To me, the consent is already there.  If parents want a babysitter, then they need to go find a babysitter, if they want their kids to learn how to bowl, then enroll them in a good youth program.
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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2007, 09:13:22 PM »
I don't have any problem with you teaching anyone how to throw the ball properly.

  That said, I don't know if you need to teach someone to "hook" a ball.  I think that you should just teach them about proper alignment of their feet, good footwork and approach, proper kneebend and leverage at the foul line, clean release and follow through.

  Then, take them to a real professional driller and have them properly fit with a good quality ball with a good drilling in it.


  If you do all these things correctly, a hook of some type, whether the child be a stroker, tweener, or cranker, will develop on its own.

  I don't think teaching a child ( or anyone ) how to hook a ball isn't a good idea, mainly because their technique for hooking the ball may not be the same as yours.

  Teach them the basics and the proper execution of them.  Then let the hook come to them naturally.  That way, it is dictated by the strength and ability of each individual bowler.


P.S.  That other "coach" is an idiot. If a child asks you a question, you should try your best to answer it.  If you don't, the child may quickly lose interest and move on to something else.

P.S.S.  After further review, being as everything was about the other "coache's" kid, maybe they don't want the competition to learn how to hook the ball because their kid can't.  Maybe they are afraid they will get beaten by someone who can hook the ball and thusly improve their carry percentage enough to beat her son.
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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2007, 09:42:02 PM »
what a idioit!! You are not wrong you are supposed to coach and that is what you were doing.  when I bowled youth leagues the coaches were always really helpful and I always appreciatted any advice that was offered.
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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 10:49:58 PM »
Without knowing everything involved I can say there are several ideas of what youth coaching should be.  I personally do not agree with the sit back, sip coffee and eat donuts type of coaching.  There are reasons that many youth directors have for the way they handle programs.  One may be that the parents have requested something.  Another reason might be that the center as directed not to coach due to liabilites.  You may not be insured.  I carry an insurance policy for my coaching.  Another thing may be that the director has no idea about coaching and how it is to be done.  Check with the center about the program and find out the details to see what and why things are handled.  Go to the center manager and ask.  When I coach I coach from the settee, the approach and the ball return cap.  I even go as far as taking students out on the lanes.  

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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 08:49:59 AM »
You are not wrong!  If it wasnt for my coaches when i was younger i would have quite the game, but they gave great advice and made it fun!
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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 09:58:42 AM »
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I don't think teaching a child ( or anyone ) how to hook a ball isn't a good idea, mainly because their technique for hooking the ball may not be the same as yours.


A good coach knows that.  The guy that used to run the pro shop here said the same thing.  But a good coach doesn't try to turn a stroker into a cranker or a cranker into a fluffer because that's how they bowl.  A good coach knows how all types of bowlers create their power and revs and will develop a person's game to fit what they're capable of doing.

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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 10:27:30 AM »
I think her attitue was wrong but as a youth coach we turn on the lane 40 minutes prior to bowling shadow so we can work with the youth bowlers.  We have a set of lanes for the bumpers youth and allstars and a coach on every pair.  During this practice time we evealuate and help the bowlers with their game.  A time we can work with those who might have a chnace of bowling witth a hook.

But the manager of the bowling lanes and the youth cordinator has lane monitors who monitor the lanes during league play. Coaches can be monitor also, but we don't have to.  But if we do monitor, they ask us to keep the coaching simple.

But you put some people in the position of leadership, they don't know how to handle it.


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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 10:52:35 AM »
Teaching kids during actual league pay to hook the ball may not be a great idea but after league is fine.

Here is a quote from Bowling This Month Magazine that I found on the subject. It was written by one of their best coaches I understand.

“Special exception for youth bowlers
Youth coaches listen up! It has been my experience that the newer youth bowlers that come up to me asking how to “throw a hook ball” will learn how to “hook it” whether I think they are ready or not. I can talk until I am blue in the face about the virtues of learning the fundamentals and how throwing a straight ball is best while they are learning to no avail. As soon as I turn my back they will be out on the lane trying their best to hook the ball because that is what the “big boys do”.  
Well a few years ago, I decided that if they are going to learn to throw a hook no matter what, I may as well teach them the right way. So far it has worked out well. I teach them to throw a simple hook without a lot of hand action and they are happy, at least for a while, and seem to be willing to learn more and bowl better in the process. I am not suggesting teaching the newest youth bowlers how to hook the ball during the first lesson  but as soon as they start asking you may want to consider giving in a little.”
BTM May 2007 special youth issue


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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2007, 11:13:27 AM »
-You cannot compete today if you throw a straight ball-


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Re: Yelled At...
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2007, 11:27:09 AM »
I don't think you ever could compete bowling a straight ball (unless everyone else is)
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