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Bill Taylor in BTM
« on: October 23, 2003, 07:32:25 PM »
The Bill Taylor articles in BTM to me have little if any useful information. He spends the majority of time reminiscing about childhood experiences, telling you how smart he is, and how he can predict the future.

I’m reasonably sure that he is a brilliant man but John Jowdy’s articles are much more useful to me. I agree with some of Taylor’s theories but I also believe a lot of them are bull as well.

I’m about to the point of not reading his pieces at all.

 

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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2003, 10:42:44 AM »
sadly, that article sounds like he is seeing the end.

He tries to state he is content in knowing he his right and has provided the bowling community a valuable service but his words betray a need to prove the worth of his existence to the bowling community and maybe to himself.

I hope he not ill and around for a few more years.




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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2003, 02:30:02 PM »
I agree that Bill Taylor's articles are useless. As far as I am concerned, John Jowdy's are old news and no longer very informative anymore. He seems to alter the wording a little to make it look different each month, yet posts almost the same thing month after month.





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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2003, 10:24:23 AM »
I would also agree that Bill Taylor's articles are useless msot of the time but once in awhile and that is a long while there is about one good paragraph.  As to John Jowdy if you bought his book then everything he says in the articles are the same as well.  Just worded differently.

I suppose that the way they describe things will help different people understand the same principle.
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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2003, 06:11:59 AM »
Chris P,

Very disrespectful!  Very Very Funny!

In concept I agree with Joecr.

I love when Bill Taylor talks about Bowling!

I think he is a very bright man.

His concepts would improve over 90% of bowlers games dramatically.

His book "What happened to Don Carter", which I stumbled upon in my first year of bowling combined with Dick Ritger Tape #2, led me to some concepts which set me up to have a wonderful first year bowling.

The violation of some of those concepts I just recently realized(ball not being within 2 inches of slide ankle every time) has led to me decline in success.

Out to the lanes.....

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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2003, 06:58:40 AM »
I just hope Bill Taylor has written down all of his knowledge so he can pass it on to someone, or all of us in a book. Bill Taylor has a unique way of communicating that seems to rub many people the wrong way. I find what he says is as much for entertainment purposes as providing information. When I read his articles I think of my grandfather telling a story and somewhere along the line a point is made. I read Taylor's articles first as much for the bowling knowledge as to see who he is going to piss off this month. I hope he is with us for many years to come.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2003, 03:31:47 AM »
In defense of Bill Taylor, I read every article he writes. I find Bill to be a very interesting character and entertaining. Why is it that every article written must be technically oriented?

Many of the comments are totally true but cannot we broaden our view of the bowling world. Personalities are most important to the success of the PBA. Where would league bowling without be without the personalities involved? When the strikes are finished for the evening do we not talk of those we bowl with and against.

I enjoy every aspect of bowling, competition, performing well and most of all those people I compete with (even some of those I compete against)! Many of the most pleasant memories I have are the lessons I had with Don Johnson. I am so fortunate to have had those experiences. I would love to meet Bill Taylor and spend some time with him on the lanes.

When I meet my friends for another session of league or tournament my first thoughts are, I'm glad to see them.

Amigo

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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2003, 04:51:04 AM »
I'd rather read Taylor than Jowdy.

I'm sure Jowdy is a great coach, but his articles consist of a blanket assertion, a lot of name dropping to prove the assertion, than a lot more name dropping of exceptions to the assertion, which leads me to question whether or not the original assertion is really so fundamental after all given all the great pros who violate it.

Taylor at least occasionally comes up with something I've never heard before.

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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2003, 09:22:09 AM »
I enjoy reading Bill Taylor because he is like the Grandfather of coaching. He was coaching bowlers before I was born. It's fine with me if he wants to just sit around and tell stories about the old days. I have learned a lot in my life by sitting at the country store listening to the old guys. He and I seem to have gotten our coaching abilities from the same place;we were born with them. We analyze things in much the same way. II had never read a word of Bill Taylor's writings until he started writing for BTM. He is the only coach other than me I have seen write anything about arm to leg length ratios.

I hope that Bill Taylor has managed to carve out a comfortable living from the world of bowling. I know it is very hard to do. I have wished many times my father had been a golfer instead of a bowler. I could be helping guys wearing
funny looking plaid pants ( does Guppy Troup count? ) and making big bucks from it. But no, I like Bill Taylor pretty much help folks cause it feels so go to do so. If I am lucky enough to reach the years in age that Taylor is today, I hope I still want to sit and watch very poor videos that bowlers from across the country have mailed in as Taylor does today.

I know most of you that read this board and BTM are hungry for knowledge and you want every article written by every coach to teach you something new. I know the bowlers that have been bowling for a few years have read everything Jowdy has to say. Keep in mind that we have new bowlers entering our world every year. They have not had the chance to read all that stuff that has become old hat to us.

I will also tell you that there is only so much you can write as a coach. I now find myself writing for a bowling news paper "The Bowling News", a new international magazine "7-10 Split" published out of canada and sent to 4 or 5 countries... and of course my website. I have only been writing a year or so and I am already struggling each month to come up with new topics. I have so far limited my writing to only meat and potatoes "how to do it" articles instead of opinion articles which would be much easier. You have to keep in mind that I can only write about things that I think I can explain in words and I am no writer believe me.

I am sure that many of you on this board have read questions by a new poster about his release or something. You know the answer but when you start thinking of how to put it into words it gets very hard. Some questions I don't answer simply because I don't have time. Some answers would fill the whole page (as you can see from this post). I do this sometimes with the email questions I get. I don't answer them until I have the time to give a good answer.

Chris_P,
I really enjoyed your response. A lot of my articles start out looking like that then I trash them and start over.  When I write an article I ask myself one question. "Did you tell them how to do it"? It is pretty easy to come up with the things that can be wrong in bowler's games. I see that in articles all the time. They don't always go into enough detail on how to fix the problem.
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Pinbuster

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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2003, 01:41:46 PM »
MagicCarpet – I don’t pretend to be a writer and I understand the difficulty of describing  what can often easily be demonstrated/shown in person. But I also do not take payment to produce articles for a publication either.

As I said in my first post, I think he is a brilliant man and has many good ideas over the years. He (like everyone) has also had many more bad ideas. But I reserve judgment on things at least until I try to understand them.

But while his stories reminisce in the past any real applicable data to bowling seems almost non existent.

OK so there is an ideal arm to leg length ratio but I don’t believe he has ever said what to do if you don’t have it only that the greats had it.

Again I just don’t get much information from his articles that could possible help my game or I could use to coach others.

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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2003, 04:13:54 PM »
quote:
OK so there is an ideal arm to leg length ratio but I don’t believe he has ever said what to do if you don’t have it only that the greats had it.


I think that's the part you're supposed to pay for.

I loved BT's (as he refers to himself) book on DC (as he refers to Don Carter).  It wasn't the easiest read in the world, but so what.  There was a lot of great info in that little book.

Chris, I agree with you on BT's "Maze" article.  It was a self-promotional piece; nothing more, nothing less.  But BT has been fighting the good fight, against all the stuff we now know was bad for the sport of bowling, since almost before I was born.  For that reason alone, I'm willing to cut him some slack.

But from the viewpoint of the editor of BTM, I agree with you.  It's his job to publish the best possible magazine each month, targeted at his audience.  If the majority of readers find Taylor's writings of no value, it's the editor's job to replace him with someone more in tune with the readership.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2003, 09:47:19 PM »
I'm a Bill Taylor fan and enjoy reading his articles about the "hey" days of bowling.  I've read his book on Whatever Happened to Don Carter (DC) and found it to be quite insightful.  I'm sure Mr Carter has a different opinion of that publication.  I've also read a lot of his underground articles he published at personal expense where he warned us of the dangers of soft conditions and super charged pins. He definitely was right on the money concerning the deteriation of the skill factor in our sport.  

Bill Taylor is a straight shooter and you either love him or hate him ... doesn't seem to be any middle ground.  I met him in 1997 during one of the Eliminator tournaments in Vegas.  I was sponsoring an individual (I'll just call him Indy) who had made the Air Force team that year and I was talking to Bill about a shoe string budget to get Indy out on the PBA tour.  Bill checked out Indy during the tournament and thought he had potential.  So, I secured Bill's coaching services for the year and he worked with Indy to perfect all aspects of his game.  When Bill was finished working on Indy's game and his drillings it was something to behold ... got a few double takes from Ozio when Indy was practicing.  He had developed an awesome power stroke and could play anywhere on the lanes.  Unfortunately, my funds dried up and Indy decided the timing wasn't right to focus on the tour.

Bill also evaluated my game and developed a 3 1/2 step scheme for my approach.  I took five steps at the time and it was such a dramatic change that I just filed it away for future reference. I'm 6' 4" with a 35" sleeve and a 36" inseam ... all arms and legs. The 3 1/2 step approach was meant to give me later timing and more action on the back end.  I quit bowling in 1998 due to an injury and just got back into the game last Fall.  Since I'd been out of the game so long I decided to give Bill Taylor's design a try.  Its has become a joy to bowl again ... Taylor's approach layout works wonders for me ... I've got excellent timing and am enjoying the best execution I've ever had.  I don't think there's anyone (except maybe Ron C/Magic Carpet) who would have recommended this kind of approach. It fits my physical make-up perfectly.  

I still believe Bill Taylor has some excellent ideas to offer to the bowling community and his bowling instruction is fundamentally sound.  His articles in BTM are often on the lighter side, but he's one of the few gentlemen left who lived in that era of bowling and can bring some of our sport's great history to life.  I'm glad BTM has offered him a forum to express his opinion and tell his stories.
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Re: Bill Taylor in BTM
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2003, 05:13:29 AM »
Yep,  That Don Carter book.

Being close to the ankle is so simple and yet so often overlooked by everyone.

I've noticed that those about one inch off ankle are often about 225 or higher on house shots.

I've been fortunate enough to get to practice with I think the greatest stylist in the game, Dave Davis.

He makes us check for His ball distance from ankle in every practice session he does.

I guess he's been doing that with practice partners for 40 some years!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I'd gotten away from thinking about it for a while and my results have suffered.  Recently a fellow had me focus on it from a different approach by focusing on nailing a slide spot on the approach.  I had a much better night!
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