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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Big Jake on March 23, 2014, 05:36:14 PM
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Hello Bowlers,
My question is about todays current urethane balls that are out like the Motive "Tank", Storm "Natural Pearl", Storm "Super Natural", Hammer "Blue", and Rotos "Grenade".
I do have the "Grenade" which I love but I am interested in getting a stronger urethane if there such a thing...I'm thinking that Motive "Tank" is the strongest one out now but I dont know that why I'm in here asking...whats your guys/gals opinion??
Thanks, Jake
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Stronger how? Urethane motion vs resin motion are completely different? Urethane responds more front to back where resin responds side to side...
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Stronger how?
Meaning that if all of those were drilled the same and thrown by the same person then one of those would probably be the stronger urethane ball and perhaps a lot stronger in the urethane world!
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Stronger is a relevant and relative question...stronger HOW? In what sense?
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...and you are the co-author of a book? which could handle more oil?
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Strong really is a bad term. There are times when a "weaker" ball will out hook the big oilers. Some people want a ball that moves a lot in the back end, and consider that strong because of the visible hook. Others want a ball that is strong throughout the whole lane. When you say you want a ball that handles more oil, that is a much better way to phrase your question. As for my answer, I don't have the slightest clue. I am curious myself, too. Storm is also coming out with another urethane ball that has my interest. Pitch black I believe?
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If I throw a plastic ball, a rubber ball, a urethane ball, a reactive resin ball, which ball would be stronger?
DUH!!! answer, the resin ball.
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If a 10 yr.old girl fights a 20 yr. old girl who is stronger??? answer: WHAT???? what if the 20 yr old is 4'11" and the 10 yr. old is just 5' 3'? huh??? you dumb sh!t...I co-authored a book!!!!! dont you understand, well! dont you? bowling is more advanced then building rockets, yes, thats right you all are really stupid compared to someone like me because I co-authored a book and bowling is soooooo hard for all of you pieces of sh!t to understand!
Btw, who the heck asks: what ball has more mid-lane? huh? no one does! who is the stronger bowler your 5 yr old daughter or Belmo?? answer: Belmo.
While comparing balls in the urethane world a stronger urethane is just that...more movement in oil and that is not much as we know urethane is allergic to oil.
If I asked which plastic ball is stronger the Viz-A-Ball "Bud Light" or the Viz-A-Ball "Hello Kitty"? would you answer with a Stronger how?
and btw, JustRico, I didnt ask diddly about Urethane motion vs resin motion!
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Btw, thanks lilpossum1, good post!
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How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!? :-)
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...as long as the meat is cooked I will eat it! and then bring on the pudding :-)
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Blue Hammer.
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JustRico was probably asking "stronger how", because not all urethane bowling balls are pure urethane. In the modern days, most urethanes have more resin than they used to. For instance, Storm's Supernatural has more resin in it than other urethanes. You may already know that. However, it is hard to answer your question not knowing what type of urethane you are looking for. But now that you have clarified your boundaries, I would say the Tank. But please understand that surface prep will be the bigger factor to consider when looking for hook potential.
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...and you are the co-author of a book? which could handle more oil?
Yet another reason industry experts don't spend much time here.
Right or wrong, stronger means different things to different people. For some it's over all oil handling, for others it's hook at the break point. Like he said, urethane is a different animal than resin. When someone asks for clarification and you act like a chump, you limit your options for answers. ...You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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You can make any current urethane "stronger" (definition: making a visible move toward the pocket - probably the simple definition the original poster is asking) on the lane sooner by increasing the surface grit of the ball.
take the same ball, drilled the same way, one at 400 grit and the other at 2000 grit and thrown it at the same place on the lane, and the 400 grit ball will move sooner.
Now with today's modern cores, the 400 grit will also "burn up sooner" meaning it will lose potential carry power and may hit the pocket weak and not carry as well as a ball that has not used up its potential energy.
While the 2000 grit although, it moves later down the lanes, retains more carry power and potential energy.
That's why "stronger" is a different term to different level of technical bowlers.
Hope this helps.
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Man, so many times I have read responses by Big Jake and his compete over blown reactions. Not many people know but he has authored a book too! It was called "How to be a complete douche bag" it's a follow up his best seller "I'm an asshole that takes his shortcomings out on people he doesn't know!"
Big Joke strikes again. Hey your auto sig. Should read "now throwing tantrums" Columbia doesnt want you man.
No love for Internet bullies.
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I think any of the choices would be almost identical on the lanes if drilled the same and have the same surface applied to each.
Urethane no matter how aggressive no matter the surface does not like oil. You need some good friction to help the ball. Considering the conditions it is best for its similar to wanting the most aggressive plastic ball. The difference between the most and least will be minimal. Just something to consider.
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I am a little older and remember when urethane was the normal. I remember very well Hammer made a red sanded urethane blue sanded urethane and then a red and blue pearl polished urethane all were supposed to have different hook potentials. I believe the red and blue sanded urethanes had the same finish so there must have been some difference in the cover stocks unless it was just the cores were different. Does anyone else remember these balls?
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I am a little older and remember when urethane was the normal. I remember very well Hammer made a red sanded urethane blue sanded urethane and then a red and blue pearl polished urethane all were supposed to have different hook potentials. I believe the red and blue sanded urethanes had the same finish so there must have been some difference in the cover stocks unless it was just the cores were different. Does anyone else remember these balls?
I owned all of them at some point, and yes they were different. Don't remember if it was coverstock hardness differences that did the trick or composition but they were different.
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People!!! I had asked out of the urethane's that are out today which is the strongest?? and btw, F 'loop_zero'
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Hahaha! Too funny. Sorry jake, for putting a mirror up in front of you. You had asked a valid question. It's just a shame that you felt the need to call some folks pieces of sh!t for asking you to clarify a few details. Your idiocy and horrible example of a 10 year old fighting, well it was just comical. All in all, save your money and just adjust the surface of your Roto. None of them will be a big enough difference to buy another. With all the money I just saved you I would recommend investing in anger management!
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Jake,
Strongest up front (early rolling, handle tons of oil) but smooth on the backend or something that will retain energy, turn harder on the back (as hard as a urethane could turn) but needs the dry to help out?
I ask as anyone who had an AMF Hype (the black one) will tell you that ball out of box was super strong and could handle tons of oil, but do NOT expect it to turn much on the backend because A) its dull B) its a urethane and C) it used its energy in the front part of the lane.
A Motiv Tank is a step down for me from my Hype. Doesn't handle as much oil in the front (weaker) but can move more on the back (stronger there).
Although not a true 100% urethane, the Blue Hammer remake would get down the lane better than the Tank and Hype for me and had much more energy retained for the backend, making it the strongest of the three on the end fo the lane, but the weakest up front and could handle the least amount of oil.
So...back to the same question that Rico and others have asked....WHERE do you want it to be strongest? If you want something to roll early and handle a flood...AMF Hype. If you want something to get down the lane and have some pop on the back, Blue Hammer.
Once you answer where you want it to be strong others could probably help you out more.
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Thanks Wowzers...and loop_zero, Shut up, you'll never be the man your mother is and btw, people, while watching the PBA when it is on during the telecast Randy will say: and here is so and so's arsenal and the strongest in his bag is the (insert name) Mastermind. And not one person got in his face about his comment because it just goes without saying.
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loop_zero
Man, so many times I have read responses by Big Jake and his compete over blown reactions. Not many people know but he has authored a book too! It was called "How to be a complete douche bag" it's a follow up his best seller "I'm an asshole that takes his shortcomings out on people he doesn't know!"
Where??? show me the responses... I am nothing like you!
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I think there is a big misunderstanding about hook and carry power. I have been throwing urethane in limited situations for almost 4 years now. The thing I learned quickly is that the last thing I wanted was to open up the lane. When I can be squared up outside 10 board my carry can be very good. When I have go away from the pocket my low rev rate killed my carry. High rev guys can get away with more out angle than me, but even their carry drops off significantly with urethane if they have to go away too much.
Bottom line urethane is what it is. Looking for something a bit stronger suggests to me you should be looking for something on the resin side that is weak. Example, I throw a blue hammer for my urethane. When it won't hit, I go to my blue vibe which is a very tame pearl resin ball. Those two are my low end dry lane or flat short pattern balls
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Here is were you failed. Here is were you forgot. Here is were you freaked out. In case you forgot. I won't argue with you any more. But you are clueless. You've done this before, you'll do it again. Your a certifiable idiot jake. Sorry for getting annoyed with your lack patience and understanding. Someone asks you to clarify something and respond like this!
.I co-authored a book!!!!! dont you understand, well! dont you? bowling is more advanced then building rockets, yes, thats right you all are really stupid compared to someone like me because I co-authored a book and bowling is soooooo hard for all of you pieces of sh!t to understand!
Have a good one you boner