Post by: Jeffrevs on November 14, 2005, 09:40:39 PM
Poll:
1. Of those who throw Mo ..... are you happy with the equipment ?
Yes or NO ( If no, please breifly explain )
Also if NO
2) ...have you had bad experiences with other mfg's??
NOTE: This post is strictly for factual gathering and is not in support or an attempt to slam this equipment.
Please answer honestly.
Posters who DO NOT need to answer are:
charlest
Saw the Rack
(because we already know)
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Post by: Matt Fortney on November 15, 2005, 05:56:27 AM
Post by: legend4life95 on November 15, 2005, 06:05:17 AM
Colosus
Ravage
Sock & Awe
Total Shock & Awe
WMB
They have all rolled well for me and I carry most all light and flush hits with them. My favorite out of those is the TSA with the S&A coming in 2nd. MO just needs to come up with something weaker than the Sahara. I have seen several of these in action and they are alot stronger than advertised.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on November 15, 2005, 06:06:59 AM
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MO just needs to come up with something weaker than the Sahara. I have seen several of these in action and they are alot stronger than advertised.
I'm not going to argue here...however.......
I bet that these Sahara's are all drilled stronger than they should be
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Post by: scotts33 on November 15, 2005, 07:04:56 AM
I also think if I had a driller like kotm fit me Mo's ball's probably would work better for me. MoRich equipment seems hard to fit for some bowlers.
BTW--I didn't like Track's assymetrical cored balls either. Many love the FreakOut...I didn't. Just me.
Scott
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Post by: Jeffrevs on November 15, 2005, 07:07:06 AM
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BTW--I didn't like Track's assymetrical cored balls either. Many love the FreakOut...I didn't. Just me.
...thats' a Mo core as well!
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Post by: geemuny80 on November 15, 2005, 07:09:01 AM
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 15, 2005, 07:19:55 AM
I just hope it keeps this great performance over time (but there is no reason to doubt about this yet...).
I am very happy with it. It was hard to get it here in Germany, but it turns heads because of the killer performance and the mostly unknown brand name (in fact, the only 2 MoRich balls I have seen "live" are a WMB and my S&A).
A review is in preparation, but will take some more weeks of testing.
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Post by: scotts33 on November 15, 2005, 07:24:31 AM
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...thats' a Mo core as well!
Yep....why I mentioned it.
Scott
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Post by: crankncrash on November 15, 2005, 07:34:26 AM
Post by: baltimora on November 15, 2005, 07:37:20 AM
total shock and awe (love it now that i have it redrilled properly)
i have owned:
womb (loved it only particle ball i have ever had success with-shot 2 of my 1st 3 700's ever-i will be getting another one soon i think)
sahara (didn't like it but the house i bowl on always has some carry down so weaker balls and me (no hand) don't match up with that very well)
while certainly i would try other balls (since i am a ball whore) morich new releases are always on my "a" list
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Post by: 302efi on November 15, 2005, 07:38:13 AM
I like the S&A very much, the hit is just crazy (see my other post), if not the hardest hitting ball I've ever had. At times though, it can be very over/under, sometimes hooking, sometimes not. Very sensitive to your release.
The WMB is a great control ball for me. Great for fresh shots we my other stuff is over reacting. The hit is pretty good as well. Very forgiving for me at least.
The Ravage is way stronger then advertised. Very skid flip for and release sensitive. Hit and carry is pretty good, but it does leave a few nasty splits at times, but thats the bowler I think
Overall Mo's balls are just different animals compared to other balls. More argressive in design, but I guess the bowling has to match up to them. I've had pretty good sucess with them.
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Post by: pgpelton on November 15, 2005, 07:44:58 AM
Onslaught
Ravage
Colossus Pearl
Pioneer
Shock and Awe
Weapon of Mass Bias
Very satisfied with all. I wish I would not have gotten rid of my Colossus Pearl.
Post by: Cbjdc on November 15, 2005, 07:51:12 AM
of these my wmb is the best. My TSA is great however in the areas I bowl at these balls are just way to strong for current lane conditions. However, I do think that you really need someone who knows morich equipment to get it probably drilled.
really needs a ball for dry lanes. NOT DRIER LANES. DRYYYYYYYYYYYYY LANES. balls such as the onslaught and sahara just are way to strong even with any type drillings.
Post by: Jeffrevs on November 15, 2005, 07:53:04 AM
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really needs a ball for dry lanes. NOT DRIER LANES. DRYYYYYYYYYYYYY LANES. balls such as the onslaught and sahara just are way to strong even with any type drillings.
try a Sahara w/ a control drill!
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on November 15, 2005, 07:53:46 AM
I have thrown the colossus, colossus pearl, labyrinth, shock & awe.
I love the labyrinth and the colossus pearl and trhe oter two hasn't worked for my game.
Tempted to try the sahara but waiting a while longer.
I tried the bowlingballdynamics.com and found it to work pretty well. You may want to try it out. Tell them I sent you and give him my email addy. The only thing I get is credit on the future reviews. For those that aren't sure what to buy or what works for your game it is worth a look.
Charlest you may want to consider this. For the money I think ist is well worth it. I used to purchase a few balls on ,my list and have been happy with it.
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Post by: dpunky on November 15, 2005, 07:58:58 AM
Overall, I have to say that YES I'm very happy with their equipment. To me, their equipment is easily tunable for me to play any condition that I come across. I like the combination of the Brunswick Activator and PK18 covers with the strong asymetrical MoRich cores. I especially like the Vanguard core.
I can't wait for the Seek and Destroy to come out.
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Post by: purduepaul on November 15, 2005, 08:12:49 AM
Total Shock and Awe
Shock and Awe
Ravage
How do I love my morich equipment let me count the ways: First of all being someone with higher speed and mediun revs on the ball, I'm always on the lookout for a ball that has a good carry in oil. A lot of my game is based on carry and the TSA gives me that on oil. It gives me enough area where I can be a little off and still will carry out the strike.
My Shock and Awe is absolutly amazing. On most any medium pattern, I can throw this ball and average 220. This ball has great recovery, great slam into the pocket and allows me a great deal more area than some of my storm equipment. My shock and Awe is a must have in my bag at all times for me.
My ravage is a hit or miss story, I bought it used, not the drilling I would of had on it (pin above bridge mass in strong) for me its a real dry lane ball it has a ton of control on it however, for me it doesn't carry all that great.
Problems I've had with manufacturers: Brunswick (Ultimate Inferno-Had a wierd delay in the break point) Ebonite (Red Wolf dull used 4 games and it sucked...Adrenaline...died after ten games.....Aggression so jumpy I polished it then it died...tried bringing the surface back still dead....) Hammer (Big Block Diesel..nice arc ball not for me) Storm equipment I haven't liked....X-Factor Reloaded and my pin under Vertigo (too inconsistent))
So I personally think everyone has some problems with every company, even their favorite company. I think you just need to pick out good equipment that fits YOUR game. Morich equipment matches up from what I have seen better with higher speed players. A guy I know bought a Sahara, drilled it aggressively and the ball wants to go in the left gutter every time he throws it due to a bad drilling. I told him a new drilling and he'll try it...oh well...just my thoughts on the matter
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Post by: axeweldr on November 15, 2005, 08:26:08 AM
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Post by: tekneek on November 15, 2005, 08:28:14 AM
Post by: FBM357 on November 15, 2005, 08:30:16 AM
Onslaught
Ravage
WoMB
Total Annihilation
Shock & Awe
The Ravage (charlest has seen me throw this) is by far my favorite of the group.
The Onslaught (my first particle) was a pleasant surprise as I had to throw it using very little swing.
Jury still out on the WoMB. I almost never see enough oil to warrant use of this ball.
Total Annihilation is a very nice ball, though not as strong (surprisingly) as my Ravage.
Shock & Awe I'm still testing. I've had a different layout as well as thumb pitch changed. I've also changed the cover as well. So far I'm pleased with the newfound results. Quick revving ball. Not a real 'swinger' for me, then again, with an inverted track, why play the big swing? Definitely for light-medium conditions.
Check profile for other mfg's. So far, my experience has been nuetral->positive. However the newer stuff requires surface changes to achieve desired results.
Hope this helps.
Vernon
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Edited on 11/15/2005 9:58 AM
Post by: JS on November 15, 2005, 08:30:40 AM
I am in the same frame of mind as charlest and Saw. I can not get the balls to react for me. No backend reaction in the least. Every manufacturer has it's faithful followers and whenever they would jump in and say that you could drill these balls to do anything I always wondered why I couldn't. They would say you have to have someone knowledgeable to lay out this equipment. Well, I had Mo lay out my Ravage and S&A and I worked with Freddy Carroll with my WMB. If the man himself can't get my ball to react then I guess I have to say this equipment doesn't match my game. My last attempt was an S&A and after Mo watched me bowl he gave his layout instructions to Tommy Semiz to drill (Chris from the PBA truck actually did the drilling). Mo watched as I tried to get the S&A to do something (anything!). He gave it back to Semiz and said, "more surface"!. After some "more surface" (1000 grit) we tried it again and still nothing. Once more, back to Semiz with "more surface". This time 500 grit and still nothing. Mo then rechecked it and said we need a Target Hole! Target Hole punched and still an expensive spare ball. I had my Yeah Baby and Satisfaxion with me and decided to try them while I was waiting to see if the conditions had changed and had no problems at all. Mo watched me throw these Legends balls and said I was throwing Freddies pos. At least these "pos" were moving and blowing racks. Without rambling too much longer, my wife had her equipment layed out by the man and had the same result as I.
Now my son is having good success with the Sahara. I just got him an S&A and he is experiencing the same "symptoms", can't get much from the ball. We'll play around with cover to see if we can get some type of reaction out of it.
My pap is anywhere from 4 3/4 to 5 1/2 over (depending on the day and who's measuring) usually around midline. My son is a high tracker (pap 6 1/2 over and 7/8 up) and he gets many more revs than I do.
I have success with Lane #1 (older stuff w/PK18, not Activator) and with LaneMasters/Legends.
This is not meant to be a bash of MoRich. I think that Mo is a modern day bowling genius and I thoroughly enjoyed meeting him a number of times. I just don't match up to his equipment (unfortunately). My son bowls in the JBT and in scholarship leagues and Mo has taken a strong hold with the youth bowlers. You see Mo's stuff on almost every rack. I think Saw has a point with the spinner tracks because most of these "kids" have lower tracks with high revs and these balls move for them! Take care....JS
Post by: Cbjdc on November 15, 2005, 08:46:40 AM
AND ALSO ITS NOT THE BOW AND ARROW RIGHT NOW ITS THE INDIAN
Post by: toomanytenpins on November 15, 2005, 09:54:04 AM
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Post by: tgs300 on November 15, 2005, 11:14:11 AM
Moved to a synthetic house this year after my old wood house closed it's doors forever. I'd been struggling with carry all year using a phenom, havoc and velocity. First night out with the WMB...instant carry....kicking out 10s...messengers....was almost funny.
The jury is still out....but so far...it's been a pretty good match.
Post by: Kid Jete on November 15, 2005, 11:42:11 AM
Post by: DP3 on November 15, 2005, 11:44:30 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on November 15, 2005, 12:00:23 PM
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DP, I'm hardly a house hack..and I know CharlesT isn't a house hack either...I've seen him bowl over the years a few times and he can play.
Maybe one day I can meet somebody who truly knows what to do with this junk I have that has Mo rich stamped on it..and they can enlighten me with how to throw it correctly and when to throw it correctly.
STR...hey....a little insider info bro....you don't match up....let it go!
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Post by: Krumpy300 on November 15, 2005, 12:24:37 PM
On the times I could get it to the pocket without it dying on me, it hit extremely well. I'd like to try the Sahara, but I've been bowling on very light conditions recently and just don't see a need for it. I still think it will be too strong.
I think in the right hands, Mo's stuff is very solid. I do think the cores tend to favor certain releases.
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Post by: DP3 on November 15, 2005, 01:43:15 PM
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DP, I'm hardly a house hack..and I know CharlesT isn't a house hack either...I've seen him bowl over the years a few times and he can play.
Maybe one day I can meet somebody who truly knows what to do with this junk I have that has Mo rich stamped on it..and they can enlighten me with how to throw it correctly and when to throw it correctly.
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Who's calling "house hack" ...I said all that in jest and you get all upset. Don't feel guilty, just use a different ball, it seems as if you have plenty of them. That's why we carry arsenals.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 15, 2005, 01:52:12 PM
Shock and awe love this ball rolls heavy but still backends for me yes i am a spinner 5 1/2 over 1 inch up high track but spinner
Total Shock and Awe if i see enough oil it rolls well usually it sits when i bring it which is rarely anymore.
LAbyrinth found a new this year ball still hits well and hooks good on todays oils.
Hercules hit and miss ball old spans never can quite clear this well enough, i will redrill unless i get a 100.00 shipped offer ball has less than 6 games.
Ravage keeep it polished go long snaps like a bat out of hell good hitter.
Will get new ball when right deal comes along but will not jump through hoops to get it since it might be too strong like the TSA
Post by: charlest on November 15, 2005, 03:21:19 PM
quote:quote:
DP, I'm hardly a house hack..and I know CharlesT isn't a house hack either...I've seen him bowl over the years a few times and he can play.
Maybe one day I can meet somebody who truly knows what to do with this junk I have that has Mo rich stamped on it..and they can enlighten me with how to throw it correctly and when to throw it correctly.
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Bowling Sucks....
Who's calling "house hack" ...I said all that in jest and you get all upset. Don't feel guilty, just use a different ball, it seems as if you have plenty of them. That's why we carry arsenals.
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Saw the Rack,
Yes, DP3 was just yanking our chains, He did put a smiley face there. I would have said something if I thought otherwise.
Keith,
I guess I'd take JeffRevs's advice on this. I put that in my Shock & Awe post. I have plenty of other balls that work fine. I wish I could have made it work, and from all the effort I put into it, you know I REALLY wanted it to work. I know its potential.
If you TRULY want to take another stab at the Vanguard core, send a pm to kotm.
Doc Hollywood, Thanks also for the offer. I too have plenty of balls that work fine and plenty of brands.
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Post by: Strider on November 15, 2005, 03:57:08 PM
Manufacturers I've not matched up well with: Ebonite and Lane#1
For STR,
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I don't really understand Mo.... These balls just roll out and aren't very strong for me.
They aren't strong, but they're rolling out? I don't get it.
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So all you MoBots...what is it with his stuff..
Why start slinging the mud.?. No one is saying that Mo's balls are the greatest on the planet and that we would all benefit from owning them. I can redirect you to some other forums here if you want to see people who are hypnotised by the label on the ball.
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Post by: dR3w on November 15, 2005, 10:40:21 PM
I have found uses for all of them at one time or another. I currently throw the Sahara at the "dry" house in town, and have had a lot of luck with it. I drill my own stuff, and always use the drilling sheet that comes with each ball. I have never been disappointed with any of the balls.
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Post by: DR REVS on November 15, 2005, 10:58:50 PM
III,WMBII,Colosus supreme,mayhem, ebonite big time, bigtime pearl,the ONE,overtime, Hammer BIG DEAL,REAL DEAL,sawblade,razor blade,big blue pearl,VIBE and tuff. all of these balls have worked well for me on the right time on the right lane, i use to only throw hammer equip. but started to to throw mo's equipment and my average has went up about 10 pins to around 225. so it is to each his own about what you throw as long as it works for you.
have a good day
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Post by: Jeffrevs on November 16, 2005, 06:19:56 AM
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Post by: Glen Hershberger on November 16, 2005, 06:34:40 AM
TS&A
S&A
WMB
TA
RAVAGE
MAYHEM
HERCULES (2)
ONSLAUGHT
PIONEER
COLOSSUS
COLOSSUS PEARL
COLOSSUS SUPREME (3)
I have only had the TS&A a couple of weeks but i but think it will be a winner like the rest. I did shoot 296(thru the nose and left the big 4) right out of the box with it.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on November 16, 2005, 06:30:51 PM
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Post by: laner7pin on November 16, 2005, 08:11:36 PM
Colossus
Colossus Pearl
Colossus Supreme
Pioneer
Hercules
OnSluaght
Total Shock and Awe
I have had great success with all of his equipment (shot my first 300 with the Colossus) and am starting to use the Total more and more.
SO to answer the question:
YES
Laner
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