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nerdytoes

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leaving ten pin???
« on: August 12, 2008, 09:01:28 AM »
i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing.  my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout.  for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin?  is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse?  any advice will be helpful..  ball is oob..  4000 abralon..  thanks for advance

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2008, 10:38:22 AM »
The video is very educational - wahsams should be banned from USBC competition.  You might as well install permanent bumpers...
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nerdytoes

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 11:00:08 AM »
thanks for all the advice..  i wanna improve my score by doing the right thing not by installing some gimmick.. so far those are my highest score i achieved and twice i choke on the last shot..

Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Center/Assoc
11 strikes in a row 245,214,299,758 USBC 8/1/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
11 strikes in a row 216,224,297,737 USBC 5/23/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
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tdub36tjt

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2008, 01:17:37 PM »
Doesn't sound like your leaving that many 10 pins to me.....

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thanks for all the advice..  i wanna improve my score by doing the right thing not by installing some gimmick.. so far those are my highest score i achieved and twice i choke on the last shot..

Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Center/Assoc
11 strikes in a row 245,214,299,758 USBC 8/1/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
11 strikes in a row 216,224,297,737 USBC 5/23/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
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nerdytoes

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2008, 04:15:38 PM »
What i'm saying is i leave a lot of ten pin using the n'sane levrg.  don't get me wrong..  i like the hitting power this ball give but its probably just too strong of a ball for me.  i don't know if any of you gals and guys feel the same...

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Doesn't sound like your leaving that many 10 pins to me.....

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thanks for all the advice..  i wanna improve my score by doing the right thing not by installing some gimmick.. so far those are my highest score i achieved and twice i choke on the last shot..

Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Center/Assoc
11 strikes in a row 245,214,299,758 USBC 8/1/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
11 strikes in a row 216,224,297,737 USBC 5/23/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
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rengawB

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2008, 11:37:58 AM »
I don't see how massaging the pit area within USBC regulations is cheating.

Most bowlers feel like they got robbed when leaving a corner pin anyway. So here is a device clearly within USBC guidelines to help bowlers from getting robbed and somehow that is a bad idea.

Aren't bowling balls designed to help increase scores? Isn't oil tweaked for better scoring conditions? Of course the answer is yes to both!!

So why shouldn't a proprietor be able to design and tweak to increase scores as long as he complies with USBC??

Are you still using a wood driver or are you using a 460cc titanium driver? How about you softball players, composite bat or a wood bat???




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Phoneman

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2008, 11:53:04 AM »
I dont think we are saying it is cheating at this point.  What we are saying is it should be banned.  No I dont think a proprietor should be banned at this point but the USBC should look into this.  They have rules about depth and width of the gutters why wouldn't they have a rule about whether or not they can move?  I personally would not bowl at a house that has these because it would inflate my average higher than at a house that does not have them and would hurt in tournaments with handicap.  Again technology changes the world but the palying surface should not be able to move in my opinion.
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rengawB

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2008, 12:00:25 PM »
They do not move....

USBC has looked into it, when installed properly they comply!!
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Phoneman

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2008, 12:17:51 PM »
What do you mean they dont move?  They are a spring sitting under and against the flat gutter causing the gutter to give and bounce the pins more.  They are moving the gutter maybe not visiably but in order to make the pins bounce more they have to move.
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2008, 12:22:27 PM »
Move up,back,left, right there is usually a small move that stops ringing 10's. Then do not get pissed when it happens and just make it, I have learned alot of patience the last 5 years bowling.

I used to open 3-4 frames a night now it is 1-2, I was stuck at 200 average area for 3 years. Now with a better grip with forward in my thumb and a looser thumb hole I had it way too tight, I am able to kick 10 pins out all day long and now make over 90 percent of them.

Could be a grip/pitch problem to tight or loose of a thumb or wrong ball surface.Personally I have my nsane at 2k and shined it just works better.
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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2008, 12:28:22 PM »
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What do you mean they dont move?  They are a spring sitting under and against the flat gutter causing the gutter to give and bounce the pins more.  They are moving the gutter maybe not visiably but in order to make the pins bounce more they have to move.


It is not a spring and the wahsam does not move.  It is a device to help solidify the foundation of the pindeck and flat gutters to help aid in better pin carry.  When installed properly they comply with all usbc regulations.
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Borincano

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2008, 12:34:49 PM »
Leaving ten pins? It is not the bowling ball or how it is drilled. It is where you put yourself in the approach, your release, your initial target and breakpoint. If you are a right hand bowler you have three choices in taking the ten pin down. 1st Move back 6 inches in your approach 2nd Move towards your right a couple of boards from the same spot you are using 3er Lower the speed of your release from your same spot. You can practice those three choices or combine two of them. It all depends on you. Not the bowling ball, layout or lane conditions. There is one last observation you have to do it is  about how the 3, 6 and 10 pins are set by the pinsetter. Gauge the distances between them with how they look in regards to the same pins in the other lanes. You will be surprise of what you might see. Good Luck.
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Phoneman

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2008, 12:36:16 PM »
I re looked at the video, since that is all I can find on them, and since I have never seen one in person I will have to take your statement that they are not springs but the round tubes in between the 2 solid plates certainly looked like springs to me on first view.  My question then is if they are stiffining the gutter how does that help the pins fly more?  If this does not move then why not just add a 2X4 in its place to do the same thing?
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rengawB

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2008, 12:42:52 PM »
Would you bowl if was a 2" x 4" instead of a WAHSAM??
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Phoneman

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2008, 12:45:02 PM »
It depends?  Would they do the same thing?  I dont have the answer to that.  If they do the same thing then why "design" a device to get better pin action?  Why not just tell everyone to beef up wood under the gutter?
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rengawB

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Re: leaving ten pin???
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2008, 12:51:29 PM »
I am sure most bowling centers find it a better business decision to buy a proven method that is guaranteed rather then waste time and money on trial and error!!

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