Post by: nerdytoes on August 12, 2008, 09:01:28 AM
Edited on 8/12/2008 5:27 PM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 12, 2008, 05:02:29 PM
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Post by: NtheDitch on August 12, 2008, 05:06:51 PM
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"Don"t leave it if you can't pick it up"
Post by: nerdytoes on August 12, 2008, 05:26:57 PM
Post by: SVstar34 on August 12, 2008, 05:39:46 PM
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Post by: nerdytoes on August 12, 2008, 06:38:42 PM
Post by: NJStroker on August 12, 2008, 08:12:55 PM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to think that TRACK sucks. And its even funnier when im carrying with my TRACK ball and they're going flat ten with their BRUNSWICK ball.
Post by: six pack on August 12, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
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The harder I try the harder they fall
Post by: EdKramarcak on August 12, 2008, 09:20:09 PM
Post by: Jock on August 13, 2008, 04:48:10 AM
Another cheaters way of getting higher scores without the need to work for them!
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I LIKE leaving 10 pins and then having to work out why I'm leaving them and fixing the problem.
With these wahsam thingys you would never learn how to fix the problem and it would rear it's ugly head each time you bowled in a house without wahsams.
They'll be inventing pins that fall over on their own soon. Just pay your lineage and watch the pins fall over for a 300 average!
I'm all for progress, but keep the gimicks! Spring loaded gutters! Whatever next, spring loaded balls??
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I've upped my average, so up yours!
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Post by: mainzer on August 13, 2008, 09:38:34 AM
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Tell the owner of the center to install wahsams. We got them here and it is very hard to leave a 10 pin. :-)
For gods sake I hope you are joking!!that is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! like scores aren't a joke now let alone with that crap. I hope you leave 15 ten pins a night.
In regards to nerdyotes move your feet back three inches on the approach then try. The reason why YOU are leaving the ten pin is because YOU are throwing the ball, the ball only does what YOU tell it to do. So YOU have to change the angle the ball is hitting the pins.
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Post by: 60bowler on August 13, 2008, 09:40:27 AM
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Post by: dechrist on August 13, 2008, 09:51:47 AM
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In regards to nerdyotes move your feet back three inches on the approach then try. The reason why YOU are leaving the ten pin is because YOU are throwing the ball, the ball only does what YOU tell it to do. So YOU have to change the angle the ball is hitting the pins.
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I usually move about 6" back on ringing 10s, and 6" up on flat 10's. Like it has been said here, it's about trying to change the entry angle into the pocket.
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on August 13, 2008, 09:58:43 AM
What are wahsams?
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Post by: Phoneman on August 13, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
Post by: dechrist on August 13, 2008, 10:38:22 AM
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Post by: nerdytoes on August 13, 2008, 11:00:08 AM
Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Center/Assoc
11 strikes in a row 245,214,299,758 USBC 8/1/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
11 strikes in a row 216,224,297,737 USBC 5/23/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
Post by: tdub36tjt on August 13, 2008, 01:17:37 PM
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thanks for all the advice.. i wanna improve my score by doing the right thing not by installing some gimmick.. so far those are my highest score i achieved and twice i choke on the last shot..
Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Center/Assoc
11 strikes in a row 245,214,299,758 USBC 8/1/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
11 strikes in a row 216,224,297,737 USBC 5/23/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
Post by: nerdytoes on August 13, 2008, 04:15:38 PM
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Doesn't sound like your leaving that many 10 pins to me.....quote:
thanks for all the advice.. i wanna improve my score by doing the right thing not by installing some gimmick.. so far those are my highest score i achieved and twice i choke on the last shot..
Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Center/Assoc
11 strikes in a row 245,214,299,758 USBC 8/1/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
11 strikes in a row 216,224,297,737 USBC 5/23/2008 Linbrook Bowl
Orange County USBC
Post by: rengawB on August 14, 2008, 11:37:58 AM
Most bowlers feel like they got robbed when leaving a corner pin anyway. So here is a device clearly within USBC guidelines to help bowlers from getting robbed and somehow that is a bad idea.
Aren't bowling balls designed to help increase scores? Isn't oil tweaked for better scoring conditions? Of course the answer is yes to both!!
So why shouldn't a proprietor be able to design and tweak to increase scores as long as he complies with USBC??
Are you still using a wood driver or are you using a 460cc titanium driver? How about you softball players, composite bat or a wood bat???
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Post by: Phoneman on August 14, 2008, 11:53:04 AM
Post by: rengawB on August 14, 2008, 12:00:25 PM
USBC has looked into it, when installed properly they comply!!
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Post by: Phoneman on August 14, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 14, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
I used to open 3-4 frames a night now it is 1-2, I was stuck at 200 average area for 3 years. Now with a better grip with forward in my thumb and a looser thumb hole I had it way too tight, I am able to kick 10 pins out all day long and now make over 90 percent of them.
Could be a grip/pitch problem to tight or loose of a thumb or wrong ball surface.Personally I have my nsane at 2k and shined it just works better.
Post by: VideoBallReviews on August 14, 2008, 12:28:22 PM
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What do you mean they dont move? They are a spring sitting under and against the flat gutter causing the gutter to give and bounce the pins more. They are moving the gutter maybe not visiably but in order to make the pins bounce more they have to move.
It is not a spring and the wahsam does not move. It is a device to help solidify the foundation of the pindeck and flat gutters to help aid in better pin carry. When installed properly they comply with all usbc regulations.
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Post by: Borincano on August 14, 2008, 12:34:49 PM
Post by: Phoneman on August 14, 2008, 12:36:16 PM
Post by: rengawB on August 14, 2008, 12:42:52 PM
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Don't sing it, bring it!!
Post by: Phoneman on August 14, 2008, 12:45:02 PM
Post by: rengawB on August 14, 2008, 12:51:29 PM
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Don't sing it, bring it!!
Edited on 8/14/2008 12:51 PM
Post by: Phoneman on August 14, 2008, 12:57:45 PM
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on August 14, 2008, 01:00:45 PM
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I re looked at the video, since that is all I can find on them, and since I have never seen one in person I will have to take your statement that they are not springs but the round tubes in between the 2 solid plates certainly looked like springs to me on first view. My question then is if they are stiffening the gutter how does that help the pins fly more? If this does not move then why not just add a 2X4 in its place to do the same thing?
Nope not springs at all, the whole device is very solid. Wood just does not provide the same effect that the metal wahsam does. Its all in the design of the Wahsam...I have no data to back this up or anything, just what i have seen first hand...the pin action that results from the PROPER installation of the Wahsam is truly unreal.
They also offer a money back guarantee to allow centers to try them out and see first hand what the difference is.
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Post by: VideoBallReviews on August 14, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
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Post by: Phoneman on August 14, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
Post by: T-GOD on August 15, 2008, 10:04:53 AM
You can try to change your wrist position and increase your side turn. This will take the ball longer, storing more energy for the pins with an increased angle of entry, thus increasing your strike percentage.
You may also want to check your static wieghts and see if they're aiding in the ball burning sooner, i.e. less side, thumb and/or bottom weight. If so, a hole to increase the side, finger and/or top can help kick out some more 10 pins for you.
Polishing the ball to a higher grit will also keep the ball from burning too soon.
All three of these scenarios will help if the ball is burning too early without having to re-plug the ball for a layout issue.
If the ball is going too long, staying behind the ball longer with more forward roll will do the trick. Also, less finger, side and top weight can also help as well as dulling the surface for more traction in the oil.
If all of this fails, then a plug and redrill with a different layout is probably what's needed. Hope this helps. =:^D
Post by: cmoore3wins on August 15, 2008, 04:22:28 PM
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Post by: T-GOD on August 15, 2008, 05:31:32 PM
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i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing. my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout. for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin? is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse? any advice will be helpful.. ball is oob.. 4000 abralon.. thanks for advance
quote:I believe he's already throwing a Morich ball. =:^D
or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
Post by: six pack on August 15, 2008, 05:40:45 PM
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cmoore,quote:
i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing. my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout. for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin? is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse? any advice will be helpful.. ball is oob.. 4000 abralon.. thanks for advancequote:I believe he's already throwing a Morich ball. =:^D
or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
or maybe you could try a MoRon ball!
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Post by: cmoore3wins on August 15, 2008, 09:46:12 PM
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mWo for life - It's a "HOLE" new game....
I flip out ten pins, you flip them off....
Mos cores = Mo scores....
Edited on 8/15/2008 9:46 PM
Post by: cmoore3wins on August 15, 2008, 09:48:55 PM
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cmoore,quote:
i don't know if anyone of you experience the same thing. my friend and i both purchased the n'sane levrg. both drilled using mo' dual angel layout. for some reason we leave a lot of ten pin? is it because the ball is too strong for us or whatelse? any advice will be helpful.. ball is oob.. 4000 abralon.. thanks for advancequote:I believe he's already throwing a Morich ball. =:^D
or you could throw MoRich and solve your ten pin problem!!
GOOD POINT!!!!
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mWo for life - It's a "HOLE" new game....
I flip out ten pins, you flip them off....
Mos cores = Mo scores....
Post by: charlest on August 15, 2008, 09:57:35 PM
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Leaving ten pins? It is not the bowling ball or how it is drilled. It is where you put yourself in the approach, your release, your initial target and breakpoint. If you are a right hand bowler you have three choices in taking the ten pin down. 1st Move back 6 inches in your approach 2nd Move towards your right a couple of boards from the same spot you are using 3er Lower the speed of your release from your same spot. You can practice those three choices or combine two of them. It all depends on you. Not the bowling ball, layout or lane conditions. There is one last observation you have to do it is about how the 3, 6 and 10 pins are set by the pinsetter. Gauge the distances between them with how they look in regards to the same pins in the other lanes. You will be surprise of what you might see. Good Luck.
This is true.
But it is also true that with the huge MB strength of this and most of MoRich's balls, the MB position in the drilling is EXTREMELY sensitive to the bowler's ball speed, tilt and rotation. Once the ball is drilled, changes in these factors, plus changes as recommended by Borincano above are required when leaving many solid 10 pins.
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Post by: six pack on August 16, 2008, 09:54:17 AM
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^^^^^ Sell me one of yours ^^^^
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mWo for life - It's a "HOLE" new game....
I flip out ten pins, you flip them off....
Mos cores = Mo scores....
Edited on 8/15/2008 9:46 PM
I'll trade ya!
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Post by: six pack on August 16, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
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Leaving ten pins? It is not the bowling ball or how it is drilled. It is where you put yourself in the approach, your release, your initial target and breakpoint. If you are a right hand bowler you have three choices in taking the ten pin down. 1st Move back 6 inches in your approach 2nd Move towards your right a couple of boards from the same spot you are using 3er Lower the speed of your release from your same spot. You can practice those three choices or combine two of them. It all depends on you. Not the bowling ball, layout or lane conditions. There is one last observation you have to do it is about how the 3, 6 and 10 pins are set by the pinsetter. Gauge the distances between them with how they look in regards to the same pins in the other lanes. You will be surprise of what you might see. Good Luck.
This is true.
But it is also true that with the huge MB strength of this and most of MoRich's balls, the MB position in the drilling is EXTREMELY sensitive to the bowler's ball speed, tilt and rotation. Once the ball is drilled, changes in these factors, plus changes as recommended by Borincano above are required when leaving many solid 10 pins.
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This is also VERY TRUE.I find a psa of 75 will lay off for me as opposed to a psa of 60 will be a mid lane/back end monster.with strong diff balls it doesn't take much.both layouts work well but for very specific conditions.
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Post by: nerdytoes on August 18, 2008, 10:25:34 AM
Edited on 8/18/2008 10:28 AM
Post by: Borincano on August 18, 2008, 12:29:13 PM
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i would like to thanks all you guys and gals for your tips. i shot quite well friday night. 218-237-234.. 689 series and won all 4 of my brackets and 1 sidepot... i moved approximately 5-6 inch back and half a board right...
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