Post by: J_Mac on January 16, 2010, 02:25:46 PM
I feel the need to share my take on it as well -
I have posted 3 times to BBE and recently paid more attention to the site since I had seen that Mo was posting there.
I believe he felt it was a "safe" forum where the moderators would keep the forum threads civil and a place he could reach out and educate independent bowlers, pro shop operators, and anyone willing to read what he was posting.
It would seem that Mo was banned simply for "violating" the terms of service at BBE. Those terms apparently don't apply to everyone that is a member of that site.
I will likely spend a lot less time there now that Mo is no longer able to share technologically/scientifically accurate information there.
Post by: DrillLord on January 16, 2010, 10:38:47 PM
Post by: J_Mac on January 16, 2010, 10:47:11 PM
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Maybe if Mo became a GOLD MEMBER he could continue to post??????
I'm not going to get into it... I don't know the facts behind the situation.
I just felt like sharing how I felt about it.
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Post by: DrillLord on January 16, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
Post by: Bluff on January 18, 2010, 01:01:37 PM
they don't care THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY not make people smarter !!!
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Post by: Pozz on January 18, 2010, 01:16:26 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on January 18, 2010, 01:17:17 PM
I don't even have an account there, but have heard MANY times that it is nothing more than a glorified fan site for lane1 users. I've lurked there a couple of times, and from what I've seen, it would be easy to believe.
If this is the truth, it doesn't surprise me that Mo would get banned for disagreeing with Richie. Richie IS lane1 super-wonk owner, creator and designer of the great lane1 equipment they seem to value so highly, and a somewhat sponsor of that site, making donations of time, money, and equipment, while Mo only shared his knowledge.
Hmmmmm, knowledge VS money and goodies. Looks like money and goodies wins.
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Post by: J_w73 on January 18, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
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Guys,
I don't even have an account there, but have heard MANY times that it is nothing more than a glorified fan site for lane1 users. I've lurked there a couple of times, and from what I've seen, it would be easy to believe.
If this is the truth, it doesn't surprise me that Mo would get banned for disagreeing with Richie. Richie IS lane1 super-wonk owner, creator and designer of the great lane1 equipment they seem to value so highly, and a somewhat sponsor of that site, making donations of time, money, and equipment, while Mo only shared his knowledge.
Hmmmmm, knowledge VS money and goodies. Looks like money and goodies wins.
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ILLEGITIMI, NON-CARBORUNDUM!
Why doesn't ball reviews make a home for him here? Have his own forum where only he can post.. and then another with questions and discussions about his postings... then he can reply to what he feels worthy in his own section and it won't be filled with extraneous posts and arguments.
They should invite all the techs from each manufacturer and give them their own section.
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Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180
Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on January 18, 2010, 01:48:45 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 18, 2010, 01:53:17 PM
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Why doesn't ball reviews make a home for him here? Have his own forum where only he can post.. and then another with questions and discussions about his postings... then he can reply to what he feels worthy in his own section and it won't be filled with extraneous posts and arguments.
http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewforum.php?f=13&start=0
Eric started a Tech Corner and purduepaul is posting there. Moderated site with no axe to grind as far sponsors and ball sales.
As far as Mo getting run....the only reason I signed up on BBE about 2 weeks ago was that Mo was posting on that site.
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Post by: Juggernaut on January 18, 2010, 01:56:23 PM
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Why doesn't ball reviews make a home for him here? Have his own forum where only he can post.. and then another with questions and discussions about his postings... then he can reply to what he feels worthy in his own section and it won't be filled with extraneous posts and arguments.
They should invite all the techs from each manufacturer and give them their own section.
If Mo wanted to post here, I'm sure he would. But the techs from each company having their own place here isn't a bad idea, if we could interest them in being here.
Create their own place within the individual companies page where they could post or reply to questions posted there.
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Post by: ralphiejantz on January 18, 2010, 02:12:58 PM
ILLEGITIMI, NON-CARBORUNDUM!
[/quote]Why doesn't ball reviews make a home for him here? Have his own forum where only he can post.. and then another with questions and discussions about his postings... then he can reply to what he feels worthy in his own section and it won't be filled with extraneous posts and arguments.
They should invite all the techs from each manufacturer and give them their own section.
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Thats a great idea you should message the admin on this site about setting something up like that
Post by: J_Mac on January 18, 2010, 02:39:53 PM
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Why doesn''t ball reviews make a home for him here? Have his own forum where only he can post.. and then another with questions and discussions about his postings... then he can reply to what he feels worthy in his own section and it won''t be filled with extraneous posts and arguments.
They should invite all the techs from each manufacturer and give them their own section.
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Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I don''t think that will ever happen here.
If anyone has a facebook account, MoRich does have a page there. That was where they introduced the Mania.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=180471898349
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Edited on 1/18/2010 3:40 PM
Post by: BowlingChat on January 18, 2010, 02:48:15 PM
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http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewforum.php?f=13&start=0
Eric started a Tech Corner and purduepaul is posting there.
Moderated site with no axe to grind as far sponsors and ball sales.
Thanks Scott, we're not associated with any company, this gives us leverage in offering services to anyone.
We have many tools on the website that would be attractive to industry techs.
The most I can say right now is stay tuned.
-Eric
Post by: OddBalls on January 18, 2010, 03:06:12 PM
But BBE looks to be a mutual masterbation lane#1 site..
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Post by: Bluff on January 18, 2010, 03:08:32 PM
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JMHO..
But BBE looks to be a mutual masterbation lane#1 site..
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Yes. it's I, the Inverted One..
You got that right lol
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Post by: charlest on January 18, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
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JMHO..
But BBE looks to be a mutual masterbation lane#1 site..
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you have a way with words.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on January 23, 2010, 03:28:08 AM
Let it be under the designated company forum like this and only people whos questions or comments are approved be listed. Because some people just post stupid stuff or are JAs just so they can be.
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Post by: charlest on January 23, 2010, 07:17:16 AM
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It would be a nice improvement for different companies that have tech people available to post different things on this site for drilling and other general info.
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Maybe you haven't been here long enough but the technical people frommost of the manufacturers used to visit here regularly. Many were verbally attacked by the "ignorant internet backstabbers" who hide behind their PCs. Most finally got feed-up when they were trying to be helpful and give details about their products. They will never return. We're lucky to have the few who do still come by somewhat regularly, like Eric Thomas of 900Global/AMF, Tony Martin of Lanemaster, Jason Wonders of Visionary, and the Hammer guy (once in a while). Brunswick drops by once in a while, but even now he is still being attacked. The Ebonite guy will never come here again. Mo's son used to come by - no more.
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Post by: J_w73 on January 23, 2010, 10:36:33 AM
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Post by: charlest on January 23, 2010, 10:53:58 AM
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That was the reason for setting it up the way I described.. that way the tech person would have a forum all to themselves that wouldn't be cluttered with garbage. If they see a question or discussion on the open forum then they could pull that into their private forum and write about it.. Maybe even allow access to the private forum to the original poster so there could be some healthy discussion or debate without all the extraneous bs
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Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180
I think it would be a difficult task to convince those people this would NOW be a safe haven for them. Many of them came back again and again and put up with serious abuse. Once burnt, twice shy, except each suffered 4 or 5 different sets of abuse. I think Bowling Chat forum has it right with its Tech Forums and visiting chat room, like was done with Eric Thomas several months back.
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Post by: J_w73 on January 23, 2010, 11:19:56 AM
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Post by: jbuzz31 on January 23, 2010, 11:21:50 AM
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Maybe you haven't been here long enough but the technical people frommost of the manufacturers used to visit here regularly. Many were verbally attacked by the "ignorant internet backstabbers" who hide behind their PCs. Most finally got feed-up when they were trying to be helpful and give details about their products. They will never return. We're lucky to have the few who do still come by somewhat regularly, like Eric Thomas of 900Global/AMF, Tony Martin of Lanemaster, Jason Wonders of Visionary, and the Hammer guy (once in a while). Brunswick drops by once in a while, but even now he is still being attacked. The Ebonite guy will never come here again. Mo's son used to come by - no more.
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All it takes is one bad apple.
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Post by: J_Mac on January 23, 2010, 11:25:01 AM
quote:quote:
That was the reason for setting it up the way I described.. that way the tech person would have a forum all to themselves that wouldn't be cluttered with garbage. If they see a question or discussion on the open forum then they could pull that into their private forum and write about it.. Maybe even allow access to the private forum to the original poster so there could be some healthy discussion or debate without all the extraneous bs
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience ave180
I think it would be a difficult task to convince those people this would NOW be a safe haven for them. Many of them came back again and again and put up with serious abuse. Once burnt, twice shy, except each suffered 4 or 5 different sets of abuse. I think Bowling Chat forum has it right with its Tech Forums and visiting chat room, like was done with Eric Thomas several months back.
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+1
See my "pessimistic/realistic" post above... I've been a registered member here for just over 6 years now. This site has not change a significant amount since I signed up.
Jeff, you've been here almost 8 years and as much as things have changed, I'm thinking they're still pretty much the same. By the way, thanks again for providing me information on the Quantum Helix what seems like eons ago.
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Post by: charlest on January 23, 2010, 01:46:03 PM
No, I think things have changed. Several years ago,a bunch of kids got in here and madea mess of things. Just be being a bunch of snot-nosed brats, happy to "upset the apple cart". Then, as to make things worse, some adults followed them here a couple of years later and seemed to think the same way the children did: do whatever we want to make life miserable for everyone else. The place hasn't been the same since.
There are still some good people left and many people do have legitimate questions and many still try to answer them reasonably, but there are far too many low lifes happy to do nothing but wreck havoc. To be honest I am very surprised that people like Eric Tomas and Jason Wonders till come here.
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Post by: J_Mac on January 23, 2010, 05:34:17 PM
That's not to say that I don't agree with what you said about some of the BR.com "ab"users though.
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J_mac,
No, I think things have changed. Several years ago,a bunch of kids got in here and madea mess of things. Just be being a bunch of snot-nosed brats, happy to "upset the apple cart". Then, as to make things worse, some adults followed them here a couple of years later and seemed to think the same way the children did: do whatever we want to make life miserable for everyone else. The place hasn't been the same since.
There are still some good people left and many people do have legitimate questions and many still try to answer them reasonably, but there are far too many low lifes happy to do nothing but wreck havoc. To be honest I am very surprised that people like Eric Tomas and Jason Wonders till come here.
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Post by: charlest on January 23, 2010, 06:20:02 PM
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Post by: nextbowler on January 23, 2010, 06:53:19 PM
to attack others. There are people, like myself, who are called trolls because
we read a lot of posts and do not comment. I only comment if I am sure about
something or am asking for advice from someone who would know. I have a Masters Degree in Physical Education and 30 years of teaching and coaching
experience. I do have valuable things to offer in my field of expertise.
Otherwise I shut up. There needs to be much more civility and acceptance of
other peoples' opinions. Kids and dilettantes have a much exaggerated opinion
of their knowledge.
Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2010, 08:11:45 PM
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Yes, BR itself has not changed. Heck, even I am looking forward to even a modicum of policing.
When?
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Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2010, 08:13:26 PM
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This site has changed some over the past several years.
Which site? BR.com it's been this way for the past 4 - 5+ years. It's what it is now. If another site??????????
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 23, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
quote:quote:
This site has changed some over the past several years.
Which site? BR.com it's been this way for the past 4 - 5+ years. It's what it is now. If another site??????????
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Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2010, 09:25:02 PM
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It gets worse every year....certainly less civil....I've been here 7 years and watched the deterioration increase each year,,,
That's not going to change. Society as a whole gets worse every year.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on January 23, 2010, 09:32:00 PM
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That's not going to change. Society as a whole gets worse every year.
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No argument but that doesn't mean it has to be ACCEPTABLE!
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Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2010, 09:38:56 PM
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No argument but that doesn't mean it has to be ACCEPTABLE!
Agreed SO I look at the topics I might post on BR and take into account the responses I might get and go from there. Do I want to waste my time or not?
I find BBE more of a waste of time. I could care lil about Lane #1 and most revolve around Lane #1. And I like my Blue Death so I am not anti-Lane #1. Take a look anytime and over 1/3 of the front page are Lane #1 posts the majority of the time over the past month.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on January 24, 2010, 08:37:07 AM
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