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Dyno-Joe

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Super Symettrical Layout?
« on: October 08, 2005, 01:35:39 PM »
I was told of the S.S. layout at a local pro shop. I can't remember exactly the layout, but what the guy said is that I might want to look into using that layout. My specs are PAP: 4 7/8 right, 1 1/2 up, RPM: 420. I was wanting this maybe for league because how the guy explained it to me is it may be a little less forgiving on a sport condition. I have a TA in the shop, going to order a Sahara and TSA. Just wanting to learn more about this layout.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2005, 07:22:30 AM »
from what I understand.........it's a smooth layout.....like a control drill...it's a great layout..while still strong...never jerky off the dry
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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 04:54:52 AM »
Yeah...but what is it!??

REgards,

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Pin to pap, MB to pap??  All that.
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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 08:12:23 AM »
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Yeah...but what is it!??

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Luckylefty
Pin to pap, MB to pap??  All that.


It's a just a way of drilling Mo's core to emulate what he regards as the very even rolling nature of all symmetric cores.
If I recall correctly, pins are generally in the 1 1/2" - 3" range and pins are in the 5" - 6 1/2" range. (I may be off a little, as I saw no purpose in drilling his cores this way and I mostly ignored these options.) They're sort of super-control drillings.
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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 08:17:32 AM »
I'll have to look around the shop for my "Mo" file. I went to a seminar where Mo talked for 3 hours ( that's not heard to believe for anyone who's ever listened to Mo... that man can talk ) Anyway, he passed out a drill sheet to with some advanced drillings... The super symmetrical page has 3 variations on it I think. I'll take a look today and see what I can find out for you.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 08:17:55 AM »
they are very similar to control drills....
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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 08:22:57 AM »
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Yeah...but what is it!??

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Luckylefty
Pin to pap, MB to pap??  All that.


It's a just a way of drilling Mo's core to emulate what he regards as the very even rolling nature of all symmetric cores.
If I recall correctly, pins are generally in the 1 1/2" - 3" range and pins are in the 5" - 6 1/2" range. (I may be off a little, as I saw no purpose in drilling his cores this way and I mostly ignored these options.) They're sort of super-control drillings.
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how do you get this drilled
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anotherwindup

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2005, 08:34:46 AM »
control drill  aka  Pin axis aka rollatyourtoe  aka veryweakcoreposition  aka plaquetenpinsallnight
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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2005, 08:48:40 AM »
I have the drillings in a .tif file.  I guess it is ok to distribute them?  In fact I use Super Symetrical, Standard and Assymetical Flip exclusively.  Not just on Mo balls either but any Assymetical ball.

I really like his Symmetrical layouts as well

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2005, 09:05:59 AM »
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control drill  aka  Pin axis aka rollatyourtoe  aka veryweakcoreposition  aka plaquetenpinsallnight
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Not true for asymmetric balls.
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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2005, 09:11:12 AM »
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control drill  aka  Pin axis aka rollatyourtoe  aka veryweakcoreposition  aka plaquetenpinsallnight
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Not true for asymmetric balls.
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And the topic was?
Super Symetrical Layout

And even in Asym balls, how is a pin at 1-3" going to be a different reaction than in Sym balls?   Please inform me.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2005, 09:40:04 AM »
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control drill  aka  Pin axis aka rollatyourtoe  aka veryweakcoreposition  aka plaquetenpinsallnight
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Jason Jenkins
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Not true for asymmetric balls.
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And the topic was?
Super Symetrical Layout


ON STRONG SYMETRICAL BALLS! .......smarta-$-$

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And even in Asym balls, how is a pin at 1-3" going to be a different reaction than in Sym balls?   Please inform me.


Strong asyms are just that, they are strong,......stronger mass bais as opposed to NO MASS BIAS on a symetrical ball....stronger engine, ...even when drilled NOT to hook out of the house......therefore , when set up properly (according to the bowlers specs, etc) a control ball can hit with the best of them (I know, because I have a Mo ball w/ the control drill) and in fact...it does just the opposite of roll at your feet....it actually revs up 'later' when the mass bias takes effect..flaring later...flares less early,...more later....(later revs) they call it.  Also...I don't ping 10 pins all night either...as a matter of fact....I'm usually leave on average one per game....IF THAT !

As far as the physics end of it...let me get a 'simple' explanation and I'll report back.


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anotherwindup

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
So...let me get this straight.  

A ball with the pin @ 2" from PAP will rev late and not be pin axis if it is a HMB ball?

Hmm......
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anotherwindup

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2005, 09:57:36 AM »
And....about the smart A-$-$ thing,  Hmmm, for some reason I am not offended.  


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Jeffrevs

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Re: Super Symettrical Layout?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2005, 10:01:38 AM »
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So...let me get this straight.  

A ball with the pin @ 2" from PAP will rev late and not be pin axis if it is a HMB ball?

Hmm......
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HMB ?? Please clarify!

And to answer your question....YES!! Mass bias location is the factor, the combo of the mass bias location, the pin to pap and the bowlers specs. See my profile for my control drill layout........as I said...let me get a "simple" explanation and I'll report back.
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