Author Topic: Whats the scoop on the NSane? (Read 7707 times)

agroves · « **on:** February 19, 2010, 12:34:17 AM »

Drilled up a NSane Levrg...

55 x 4 1/4 x 40
P3 hole--1" x 3" deep
(Layout suggested by Mo himself)

I threw a handful of shots on a basically fresh house pattern last night and it was a bullet. I tried to read the lane, transitioned and then just basically stopped. I moved right and further right with little to no luck, did find something around 8 board at the arrows/8 board at the BP.

Back to the spinner with a 1000 grit paper, the ball was much better but not quite what I was expecting. I was able to go 2 and 1 deeper and get a earlier read and SOME continuation out of the ball. If I missed alittle right it was a weak 10 every time, but that beats the bucket when missing right from 8 board.

How weak/strong is the cover on this ball? I assume it is a Bwick formulation of some kind.....

I didn't expect a "first ball out of the bag", but expected to see some motion on the backend.

Thoughts? Suggestions?
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bowler851 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:04:45 AM »

I have had one for over a year have left it oob (4000A) and it works great first ball out of bag on THS. just ordered a mojave for when the track burns up and I want to stay in the same place on the lane.

agroves · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:19:28 AM »

What is the length of your pattern, lane surface and your rev rate? If ya don't mind...
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:24:15 AM »

How many games do you have on the ball? Many people expect things out of the box to be magic and when it isn't give up on it. Wait till you have at least ten or more games in to see what it does. I've had this happen with many bowling balls and some just take a few games to get going, where others don't.
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agroves · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:26:41 AM »

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How many games do you have on the ball? Many people expect things out of the box to be magic and when it isn't give up on it. Wait till you have at least ten or more games in to see what it does. I've had this happen with many bowling balls and some just take a few games to get going, where others don't.
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Not ready to give up.

Just trying to figure out the strength of the cover on this piece. I haven't drilled up a Mo ball since the Ravage.
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bowler851 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:50:36 AM »

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What is the length of your pattern, lane surface and your rev rate? If ya don't mind.

length is around 40', surface guardian overlay entire lane, house only 3 years old, rev rate low around 275-300 and speed 15mph drilling 55 x 3 3/4 x 25 pap 5 1/4 house puts out above average oil and has out of bounds I play between 8 and 10 at the arrows not to let it get out side 5 (the out of bounds).

qstick777 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2010, 09:56:21 AM »

Should have some movement.

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By making the strongest core in history even stronger and surrounding it with our new RDX Pearl Reactive cover, 'Nsane LevRG offers the most Radical, Dynamic, and eXplosive backend reaction ever seen in the bowling world!

I have a Total Annihilation and Archon that have been good for me.

I recently picked up a few of the LevRG models, so I'm curious to see how it turns out.

The core looked really interesting when it first came out, and somehow I managed to convince myself that I didn't need any new balls, but the bowlingball.com deals were too good to pass up!

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2010, 10:00:35 AM »

Andrew,

Your ball speed is a LOT higher than bowler851's.
Plus how heavy was that oil: medium, medium-heavy, heavy?
Everybody's "fresh" is different.

Did you give Mo the 19-20 mph at the heads speed that's in your profile?

I suspect you need a smaller VAL angle given your results so far. Smaller VAL angle gives a faster response once it hits dry, according the "Mo".

Also have you reported these results back to Mo yet?
(Not sure if you went over to http://forum.bowlingchat.net/index.php to talk to Mo.)
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agroves · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2010, 10:14:44 AM »

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Andrew,

Your ball speed is a LOT higher than bowler851's.
Plus how heavy was that oil: medium, medium-heavy, heavy?
Everybody's "fresh" is different.

Did you give Mo the 19-20 mph at the heads speed that's in your profile?

I suspect you need a smaller VAL angle given your results so far. Smaller VAL angle gives a faster response once it hits dry, according the "Mo".

Also have you reported these results back to Mo yet?
(Not sure if you went over to http://forum.bowlingchat.net/index.php to talk to Mo.)

Yes, my ball speed is generally higher than most, combined with my mediumish rev rate, I don't see balls "boom" on the backend. Yes, I gave those stats to Mo. Oil isn't light by any means, but not soupy.

I'm not hating this ball, don't get me wrong here. I guess I was expecting more movement OOB. Now I will say, the 4000 abralon looked VERY shiny to me. My 2nd dimension, 60 x 3 x 30--600 grit plus polish, moved more than this OOB. Just comparing it to something I already have. I still think the answer here is more surface then, polish.

I can't get to bowlingchat at work, site is blocked.

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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2010, 10:51:06 AM »

Andrew,

P4000 finish should never look shiny. Try a new pad, with water for like 10 seconds per side.

Actually, I'd suggest trying P1500 or P2000 grit surface, as a test.

Also those Mo balls, the LevRG had HUGE MB strengths (or intermediate differentials -.035"). That made drillings super-sensitive. Too close to your PAP and that can kill any backend.

Side thought: are you sure this ball isn't burning up, using up too much energy in the mids? (yes, even with your ball speed that can happen.) It is much stronger than the 2nd Dimension no matter what grit level is under the polish.
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agroves · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2010, 10:56:47 AM »

I used 1000 paper(not p rated), which is pretty close to P2000.

I'm positive it isn't rolling out. Like I said, the OOB condition didn't look like 4000 to me. It looked like it was lightly polished. If you compare it to say a 4000 Abralon hammer/ebo ball, there was a considerable difference. Once sanded, it was much better. Now, maybe I'll take it back up to P4000 and see what it does. Plenty of oil around these parts tho.

FWIW and IMO, the 2nd Dimension is a strong ball. It moves quite a bit considering I have it polished.

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slap · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:43:59 AM »

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I used 1000 paper(not p rated), which is pretty close to P2000.

I'm positive it isn't rolling out. Like I said, the OOB condition didn't look like 4000 to me. It looked like it was lightly polished. If you compare it to say a 4000 Abralon hammer/ebo ball, there was a considerable difference. Once sanded, it was much better. Now, maybe I'll take it back up to P4000 and see what it does. Plenty of oil around these parts tho.

FWIW and IMO, the 2nd Dimension is a strong ball. It moves quite a bit considering I have it polished.

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At one point I owned both balls. The NSane is considerably stronger, IMO and by review in BTM and BJI.

Once you find the right surface you might enjoy the ball.
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tekneek · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2010, 12:20:24 PM »

drilled mine (3-1/2" pin), asymmetric flip, 4-1/4" pin to pap,X 5-1/2" mb to pap, with a 1-3/4" pin buffer,small x-hole at P3, at box it was way too strong, hit it with a old 4000 pad and added polish, gets much better push now, still very strong and angular off the spot.
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agroves · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2010, 09:23:21 AM »

Well, I used it last night in league.

PART of the issue with the ball was me. I'll admit that. Getting super glue in my eye on monday has affected my vision more than I thought. I didn't notice it Thur night when I threw this ball the first time.

I typically hit 2 boards left of my aiming board. Last night, I was hitting two RIGHT of my target board. It took all of practice and 5 frames for me to convince myself that was the case. I was able to salvage a 183 the first game. The next game was good, 247. The last game was terrible. I lost carry with the NSane. I tried a few different things, but never got a good look.

After league, I played around with some other releases and was able to get my feet deeper into the puddle and find some better carry. It is POSSIBLE it is bleeding some energy early, so I am going to try a low grit sand with polish on it today.
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agroves · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2010, 12:37:15 PM »

I've decided to plug the balance hole and move it. I've drilled it 1 3/32 over 3" deep and it is still about 3/4 pos side. I'm gonna try going closer to my PAP to get the sideweight down to 1/4 pos, if I can. Otherwise, if I can find a 2nd Dimension to trade for it, I would.
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