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Title: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: kingpin268 on September 07, 2009, 08:54:48 AM
From my wandering around this site, it doesn't seem that Morich is that popular. Around my house, tournaments, and even the PBA I don't see them often. I drilled up a LevRG a few months ago, and I have been nothing but impressed. The ball is an absolute animal on the lanes and even opened up the shark pattern when nothing of mine wanted to turn. I think it's Mo's cores that makes them so different because they gives me a look I've never had with any other ball in my 9 years of bowling. So I'm just wondering who on here has had the same success with them because, frankly, I'm sold on Morich. I'm in the process of drilling up a Sahara, Seek & Destroy, and Awesome Finish. I'm excited to see how they will turn out.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: mainzer on September 07, 2009, 05:03:28 PM
I have throwen just about every ball since the Hercules they used to be amazing, if always under the Radar a little bit compared to the larger companies. The Awesome Line was a little shakey, and the LevRG Line IMO sucked with the exception of Nsane. No length no Pop on the back nothing.

The Frenzy piques my interest a little, I would like to try it if I get a cool deal on it, but they gotta get back to the stuff that worked like Ravage, Total Annhilation, Mayhem, Shock & Awe, Seek and Destroy, those were all awesome, and gave me a good edge over some of the guys using Strom or Ebonite.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: leftyinsnellville on September 07, 2009, 05:10:45 PM
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From my wandering around this site, it doesn't seem that Morich is that popular. Around my house, tournaments, and even the PBA I don't see them often.


You won't see them on the PBA at all this season.  Mo & Co. didn't want to cough up the massive amounts of dough the PBA blackmails out of ball companies.  I just recently got my first MoRich, also a LevRG and I am also very happy with this ball.  I'm gonna shop around for a couple more out of the LevRG series.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: Mike Coakley on September 07, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
I have owned three Morich balls.Shock and Awe Seek and Destroy and the Nsane Levrg.All of these balls very good hard hitting balls Shock and AWE was the most versitale.Seek and Destroy was a great oiler for the time.Nsane Levrg sharpest snapping ball that revs up hard in the midlane hits the dry goes sharp left with insane pin carry.My brother has an Ntense Levrg and loves it too.Sometimes when you throw a Morich ball it sounds like a bomb going off in the pindeck
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: kingpin268 on September 07, 2009, 07:14:44 PM
Yeah, I love the way the LevRG revs up strong and just turns left. Hits as hard as anything I've thrown and carry is probably the best I've had. Very impressed with Morich. Seems like a lot of people here are fans and love the equipment, yet it remains low key on the market. I'll have to make a video one day comparing the four morich balls I have.

And yeah, it's sad that Morich doesn't have the money to be allowed on the PBA. But then again, they didn't bring that much air time to the table anyway. Danny Wiseman threw it a few times as well as Walter Ray. But it didn't seem to match up well with Walter on tv. Oh well...
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: kingpin268 on September 07, 2009, 11:58:17 PM
I wouldn't say unusable by power players. The core is very dynamic but it's just how you drill it. I think many people drill it too strong and the ball turns out to be a turd. Drill it with a longer pin and you got a monster on your hands. I'm by no means a rev-challenged bowler and the LevRG hooks more than any other ball I've thrown. I will agree though, the EZ REV core system is pretty layout sensitive. Just Check out BuddiesProshop video by Tim Gillick. The guy has at least 500 rpm and the LevRG is a freight train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Yu-z8V7HY
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: dizzyfugu on September 08, 2009, 02:23:03 AM
I also think that MoRich just went too far with the EasyRev core design. I have used older MoRich balls and already found them to be quite condition-specific, but the LevRG line seems to take this to the extremes between "works" and "works not" with little in between.

2 friends had the original LevRG as an oil ball, and both hated them because they did not perform well. On the other side, I played at a tournament in Belgium last year in the squad of the winner, and he used an Ntense LevRG that was ultimately shredding the rack.

That seen and said, I think that the introduction of a weaker MB core with the Frenzy (and also the Solid LevRG) was a sound step, but in the previous years Morich maerketing has moved the brand into a "hook monster" corner where any ball that comes with a milder core would disappoint the public - even if it would IMO make preformance- and versatility-wise more sense.

Maybe things will get back to "normal", but at the moment I think MoRich is at a marketing dead end with lots of disappointed users.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: KingofKings696 on September 08, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
I love my morich shot my first 300 with my awesome flip.... and the new frenzy is just flat out amazing.... Also as a word of warning with the awesome finish you may want to drill it slightly stronger as it is VERY tame for the type of ball it is...
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: six pack on September 09, 2009, 06:53:54 PM
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I love my morich shot my first 300 with my awesome flip.... and the new frenzy is just flat out amazing.... Also as a word of warning with the awesome finish you may want to drill it slightly stronger as it is VERY tame for the type of ball it is...


I tried out my finish the other night in league and was very suprised how much it moves on the backend,the only Mo ball I own that rivials my Intense Inferno!
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: kingpin268 on September 09, 2009, 10:22:52 PM
If it rivals the intense, then that's got some serious backend. All the videos of the Finish haven't made it look great. And certainly not snappy. I'll be curious to see how it reacts.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: mikeyhammer on October 16, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
I have an awesome finish that I got from a friend and it is drilled pin above ring finger.  It is not tame at all but it is not too aggressive either.  Its a nice rolling ball and hits well.  It is my first ball out of the bag for shark,  and it works on many different conditions.  I like the ball very much and was glad my friend wanted me to have it.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: insidedrive on October 19, 2009, 12:24:36 PM
I think because of how big and heavy the cores in Morich equipment are it''''s tough for people to match up with them.  For crankers they can really get the ball down the lane and make Morich stuff do a left turn.  For strokers the core will rev up nice and quick and give them hook where they never could before.  However for the bulk of people in between, tweeners, or high end strokers/low end crankers the equipment becomes very drill specific and can be very over under.

I have a seek & destroy, levrg, ntense levrg, and a sahara.  I''''ve had my high sets with the s&d, levrg, and then the ntense levrg and I really like their equiopment.  However, now that I''''ve made adjustments to my game and have more hand, (low end cranker high end tweener here) I find that it''''s difficult to control and get a consistent reaction with my Mo equipment.  And since that category is a large percentage of bowlers it''''s tough to win us over!

The awesome finish however is in my opinion one of the greatest balls they''''ve ever produced.  Even though it''''s still got that big Vanguard core the Spectrum coverstock tames it and gives a great read on the lanes.  It gives smooth length with readability in the midlane and great finish.  It''''s one of the few balls with a large core that isn''''t over/under.  I still recommend that ball to people looking for something controllable on shots from dry to medium.  The only condition I don''''t think it''''s best for is longer oil but it could still do the trick.

The AFinish is the one ball from them that has great core design with the best coverstock I think they''''ve designed.  It''''s one of those solids that can handle wear and tear and produce great friction on the lane.  However, nowadays everyone wants hybrid covers and low grit pearlized reactives, and when you combine that with crazy RG level balls and heavy/large cores you get crazy uncontrollable reaction.

It''s a shame with what''s been happening with them and also with Big B lately.

Edited on 10/19/2009 12:28 PM

Edited on 10/19/2009 12:28 PM
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: baltimora on October 19, 2009, 12:35:04 PM
I have to echo Dizzy on the core comments. I loved Awesome Flip, Finish, & WOMB. I had LevRG (which I did like on PBA patterns), 'NSane, and Solid LevRG (both which I didn't like at all). I believe (opinion only I am not a driller) that the cores ended up so complex that good drillings of them were hit and miss. Mo is a really intelligent guy but sometimes simplicity of design makes for more consistent bowling balls. While I haven't tried Frenzy I think his new core appears much more drillable for the average proshop guy who doesn't have an engineering degree. I am tempted to drill that next time I put on ball whore hat (very soon).
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: NOTHUMB on November 15, 2009, 10:43:40 AM
Its been said different ways in the post but I believe in general this paragraph is the most fair representation of why Mo's stuff isnt overly popular.

 
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I think because of how big and heavy the cores in Morich equipment are it''''s tough for people to match up with them. For crankers they can really get the ball down the lane and make Morich stuff do a left turn. For strokers the core will rev up nice and quick and give them hook where they never could before. However for the bulk of people in between, tweeners, or high end strokers/low end crankers the equipment becomes very drill specific and can be very over under.


I have a TA, Ravage, Onslaught, Mayhem, and WMB. The only 1 I absolutely didnt like was the WMB. Each of them were great when I could read the pattern forward, but at no time could I loop any of the balls. With the amount of revs I have, playing up the lane is not always an option on the THS. Mo's stuff just never seemed to match up too well for that. My favorite of the balls was the Mayhem, because it was enough shell and roll (and a proper drilling) to read the midlane while playing in. The TA was very lazy from inside.

My favorite look was probably the Onslaught, but I had other things that overlapped it. So I just cut my losses and moved on.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 15, 2009, 10:54:15 AM
only one that worked well with me was the collosses supream I have also tried the wmb and the levrg both didnt match up with me.
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: Monster Pike on November 15, 2009, 12:28:36 PM
I know of only 4 people who throw Morich in my league of 24 teams X 5 men....  Mostly Storm, then Bruns, then Hammers/ebonite/Columbia.
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: kingpin268 on November 15, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
I guess I just got lucky with my first LevRg because I've since drilled up an Awesome Finish, Ntense, Solid LevRg that all have been disappointing. Even with the same layout as my LevRG that I know works fantastic, they don't react much at all. Don't seem to flare and never lose their side roll which is weird. I finally believe they are THAT drill sensitive to make them work for you. If you get one to matchup perfectly, it is a great piece and quite a different look on the lane than most companies could offer. But it is difficult to find that perfect drill everytime.

So far, I've really loved the LevRG. Sahara is alright, less sensitive to release changes. The Solid LevRG moves consistently at least which is more than I get out of the Ntense. I will definitely play with the Ntense to get it to work because it does have some potential I believe. But I miss the days of slapping any old drill on a ball and having it work great. Mo's pieces, unfortunately, are not too accomodating with that mindset.

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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: mainzer on November 15, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
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only one that worked well with me was the collosses supream I have also tried the wmb and the levrg both didnt match up with me.


Why would you buy LevRG after you bought WMB that you didnt like? You know the LevRG is going to hook more earlier than the WMB yet you buy it? Why not try the Nsane or Ntense or Solid?
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: tizzle on November 16, 2009, 06:29:08 AM
I had a ton of the old Mo stuff with the vanguard cores.. I loved all of those pieces. Then I tried the Insane Levrg, Levrg, and Solid Levrg, and I didn't do well with any of those balls, so I went over to hammer. I recently decided to give the Frenzy a try, and I am in love with it. The ball is just as consistent as any ball I have ever owned, and has a ton of pop in it. I ended up putting polish on it to make it more usuable for an entire series. I am now looking at the Craze as it seems to give a little more length then the Fenzy. In short it is just like any other stuff out there, in that it works for some and not for others. You need to have someone who knows how to really drill to get the most out of Mo's equipment. Just because a guy has a hospital that doesn't make him a doctor!
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 16, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
Yes, you better have a sound game and a driller who knows his trade. I think the "problem" with Morich is just that almost all of the latest balls except for the new Craze and Frenzy had such touchy cores. If there is juts one in the line-up, the problems will certainly not be as severe. But I think with the LevRg core family, the concept was just taken to the extreme and on a basis that is too broad to tend to a suffciently large target group. The newer cores sound much more "harmless" and driller- and user-friendly.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: holland1945 on November 20, 2009, 10:17:54 PM
I love the vanguard core stuff, I just shot 916 over 4 (699 over 3) using nothing but an Awesome Revs (dulled to 500) and an Awesome Flip (box), both drilled the same. Those two are two of the best balls I've ever owned. Never threw an EZ Rev core ball but I don't doubt that these balls are more drill sensitive than others.

I've always loved Brunswick coverstocks but their cores are sometimes spotty for me. MoRich cores give me that powerful look to open up a lane that I love.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: DON DRAPER on November 20, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
the only morich ball i had was an awesome hook. and that perfectly describes that ball to a "t". this ball had no quit. i used it 4,000 abralon and highly polished in league on a house shot and it outhooked dull balls. i used it smoothsanded and dull in pba regional tournaments and it gave me hook when my other equipment didn't. this equipment is very, very underrated.
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: mainzer on November 21, 2009, 07:05:44 AM
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Why no love for Morich?


Because they suck, that's why.  Also, any company with a reference to the name "rich" which is too close to the spelling of the grand poobah of Sawdonks, is a little sketchy in my book.  There you go, you're welcome.


Because people like Sleepy worry to much about the name of a company than what the equipment does. Or he is not a good enough bowler to get the stuff to work for him, and thus it is the companies fault for his shortcomings...pardon the pun.
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: No Revs00300 on November 23, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
I love there stuff. Matches up well with me, and I will most likely tomorrow drill up a NTENSE to go along with my Seek and Destroy, LEVRg, and Mojave.
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: bighook69 on November 23, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
Shock and Awe was the best ball I have ever thrown.... however I think Mo's latest stuff is what has gotten him the bad rap.
Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on November 24, 2009, 11:24:54 AM
Mojave and N'tense are far end spectrum balls and I love them the most of the EZ Rev core line... My key has been to find the right drill pattern that matches my style and now that dual angle/gradient balance hole has surfaced it's really easy to map your favorite ball motions. I drilled a few "too strong" (A Hook, LevRg and first N'tense) and they were turds in my hands... sold them to guys with higher speed/lower revs and they whack'em... live and learn. My second N'tense is best oil ball ever...
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Title: Re: Why no love for Morich?
Post by: kingpin268 on November 24, 2009, 10:10:24 PM
I just drilled up an Ntense last week. Thumb is messed up but from what I saw, the ball is very strong in the midlane. Carry was very good even when I was throwing it slower and less revs due to the bad fit. Once I get that all fixed, I'm looking forward to that reaction.

I still think the LevRG matches up the best with me. I just can't ask for ball that rolls better than it does. I may be drilling up a Ravage soon so we'll see how the old school MoRich works out.
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