Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 17, 2006, 07:28:34 AM
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 17, 2006, 03:35:53 PM
This link helps me to answer the question. I was hoping for someone to have first hand knowledge on their success, or lack thereof, with this experiment. However, if the ball come from Morich as the AI does, and gives a little better move to the pocket, me thinks me knows what me next ball is...
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Post by: charlest on January 17, 2006, 05:25:43 PM
Did you see my reply in the ballreviews thread that you referenced?
I have direct experience. You must be SUPER careful to follow the precise MoRich drilling instructions. That Vanguard core is very strong and can cause a very early roll on that cover (220 sanded followed by Rough Buff, the stock finish!!). I used a 5" (pin) x 4"(MB-to-PAP) x 2.5" (up from midline) drilling and had to apply polish on a true medium oil pattern to get any length at all.
The symmetric core on the AI gets much easier length, without polish on medium oil.
As long as you can get length, both hit like the proverbial truck.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 17, 2006, 09:31:13 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on January 17, 2006, 10:26:17 PM
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However, I believe that the motor in the S&A might create more overall hitting power and a more pronounced entry angle resulting in increased carry.
I think you are right on here 230. It sounds to me like most folks that have problems with MoRich or for that matter any high angle entry equipment is being able to get to the "spot". Boy did I fight that tonight.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on January 18, 2006, 01:17:43 AM
The OOB finish of the S&A is a compound finish, but it has less grit than Rough Buff, giving it, from my experiences, 4-6' more length than an AI, but is less nervous than a true polish.
With Rough Buff, the S&A should work fine on a bit more oil. I found it too nervous on long, oily patterns, being a true medium condition ball (although I have medium revs and lower speed, teherfore it tends to "run away" soon).
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Post by: Jeffrevs on January 18, 2006, 06:10:48 AM
don't think about a control drill as a "roll early" drill,...it's not ....it flares later and revs later, but doesn't go sideways at the spot.
message king of the mill with your stats and see what he says....
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Post by: tekneek on January 18, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
#2 drilled assy flip 4-1/4 pin to PAP, 5-1/4MB to PAP, pin 3-1/2 above midline, 2" from val, increased length by 3 feet,late core revs, still no skid snap motion, just very hard cornering to the pocket, have a S&D drilled the same, the S&D mocks the S&A motion, still very controllable. The rough buff finish keeps it from becoming skid snappy, apply degree 2000 polish and then you get out of control.
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Post by: charlest on January 18, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
FYI The core on the AI is no slouch either - hard revving and high flaring.
The Vapor Zones I have seen (don't have one), in many hands, is significantly more flippy than the S&A.
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Post by: tekneek on January 18, 2006, 11:47:24 AM
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Post by: charlest on January 18, 2006, 12:37:16 PM
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Charlest, I have not thrown a VZ yet either, however my shop assistant has one with the exact assy flip drilling as is on my S&A I could not believe how much and quickly it changes direction, it is from what I have seen more aggressive than both the AI as well as the S&A, much more radical movement than either.
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Indeed, it seems like that Brunswick asymmetric core makes all their coverstocks get extra length and flip, if you'll excuse the pun, like a Banshee; even the 800 grit sanded solid Strike Zone seems to get so much more length than the Ultimate.
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Post by: BallsDeep on January 18, 2006, 01:30:17 PM
I do agree with the assesment of the Bruns. asym core as being quite a bit longer than the inferno ultra low rg., but I just see a strong arc, no violent change of direction.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 18, 2006, 08:42:25 PM
Between these posts and the pm's I've recieved, I should be all set once my S&A gets here. I hope to give it a workout at the Brunswick Team Challenge in a few weeks.
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