Author Topic: Cruel C51 Black/Smoke Pearl (Read 25760 times)

admin · « **on:** December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »

- INNER CORE: Cruel TM
- COVERSTOCK: Formula-5 TM Reactive Hybrid
- FINISH: 2000 Wet sand
- RG: 16#-2.46 15#-2.48 14#-2.50
- RG DIFFERENTIAL: 16#-.060 15#- .060 14#-.060
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal

denlingers · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2010, 11:54:47 PM »

MOTIV CRUEL C51

Coverstock of the Cruel C51 features the hybrid Formula-5â„¢ Reactive. It is designed to match up on medium to heavy oil.

The factory finish is 2000 wet sand. This finish will provide an aggressive reaction downlane with length and a very strong backend with continuation.

The Cruel core is the first asymmetric design from Motiv. The specs are maxed out. The Cruel C51 has an RG of 2.48 and a .060 diff and a .30 mass bias differential (15# ball).

My personal specs are: axis point 5 1/8, 3/4 up. 400 rev rate. 17-18 mph (depending on condition).

Drilled with a "conservative" layout due to max specs. I wanted something that would be usable on a wide variety of patterns and surfaces.

The Cruel breezed through the heads and gave a great mid-lane read. Even when I moved deeper into more oil the ball showed no wiggle from the additional units. Once it cleared the mid-lane, it made an aggressive but controlable move to the pins with all of the hitting power you have come to expect from Motiv products. I used my Cruel at three different centers with three different lane surfaces and had no trouble matching up and stringing strikes. Motiv has delivered well with the Cruel.

Go out and get MOTIVated before your competition does!

Scott Denlinger
PBA member, Eastern Region

bowlers design pro shop · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2010, 11:59:46 AM »

I'm not going to bore you with my drilling layouts, your ball driller will know what to do for your game.
I put my favorite asymmetric lay out I put in all first drills, then I make adjustments from there.
This is not just a heavy oil ball, it is very versatile, handles the fresh well, handles carry down very well, handle PBA volumes well. I just got back from a tournament, I used this ball in 13 of 15 games, and went 11-3-1 in match play, that's how versatile this ball is. After every match people were talking about this ball. I didn't even make big moves, just small adjustments. Like all the MOTIV equipment you are really throwing a freight train when it hits the pins. You'll carry 1-2 more strikes than you should, I call them MOTIV strikes. Put one in your bag, it won't stay there long. The price point is good for a ball this GREAT!

David
PBA Member
Member MOTIV Staff

aulbyfan · « **Reply #18 on:** November 12, 2010, 05:07:53 PM »

I am left handed
I drilled the cruel pin below my ring finger and it is a stacked drilling.
The surface is out of the box finish.

This ball is a terrific ball and I am going to drill more of these. The first time I used this ball I used it on the viper and i shot a 813 series. I have used it on other pba patterns and also on house shots and it is a very versatile ball. I recommend this ball to anyone who wants a ball that hooks in oil and is a very controllable ball. Get Motivated!!!!!!!!!

Motiv PBA Regional Staffer

Southern_Info · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2010, 12:29:21 AM »

Out of the box I shot a 659 series. The pin is under my ring finger and my mass bias is 3 inches right from my thumb hole. I also have a P2 hole drilled right above the mass bias this is a completely new layout for me. With this layout the ball gets into a deep roll early When it hits the backend the ball freaking moves stronger than everything I have in my bag and might I also add this ball hits the pins harder than everything in my bag. If the ball gets close to the pocket it will a strike the majority of the time, weather you hit the pocket light or hard.
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2010 is the first time joining a league since 1999. Over a 10 year lay off and I haven''t lost much of my game.

This year HG-300 x 1 and HS-780.

Heavy-Storm Invasion, Motiv Cruel C51
Medium/Heavy-Columbia Pure Swing
Medium-Columbia Burst
Light-Storm Natural
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batbowler · « **Reply #20 on:** November 14, 2010, 11:09:14 AM »

I decided to drill this ball after rolling one that I drilled for a friend, I decided on a different dual angle layout. I used a 65* x 3-1/4" x 25* and before I drilled it I used a little Power Gel Polish. This layout placed the pin above and to the right of my ring finger and the mb just rignt of my thumb. I drilled a weight hole in the P2 location to make the boys at USBC happy. I didn't get to roll it till I got to the bowling center and during practice I noticed the ball was over/under so I hit the ball with a abralon pad to take a bit of polish off. The ball became about five boards stronger and I had everything right, but not to early. First game I had the front 9 and left a 10 pin on the 10th pitch and I knew it wasn't that good off my hand. I spared and struck for a 279 and was very impressed. I had to keep moving deeper and should have but it back in the bag, but I was having to much fun playing. Now if they had this ball in a pearl for when the shot opened up it would be money! How about a pearl version or a SR2 pearl? Thanks for reading, Bruce
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Sikfish · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2010, 03:03:15 PM »

Review for the MOTIV CRUEL C51 - Hybrid

Stats are in my profile.
Ball Layout:
50 x 4" x 60 pin down, p3 hole, 2000 Abralon

First, I must give fellow staffer DUSTIN BAKER props for the layout on this ball. This was actually Cruel #2 for me, as the first one did not like my favorite layout for strong cored balls...so thanks again DB!

Surfaces I used this ball on: DBA IQ & Anvilane Gen. 1

House #1 (DBA IQ) & House #2 (Anvilane)- I bowl 2 leagues each at these alleys and they are vastly different as to the caliber of player s you see and lines to the pocket. So my only problem with this ball is that the houses do not put out enough oil for me to use it for one full league session...Damn them! During the winter months this ball will see more action in tournies, etc...but what I can report is I have had 299 & 300 with and 772,778 and 792, in 2 different houses. The carry is amazing, the hit is unmistakeable and the look of the ball is...um...well....just CRUEL. I will say this is a oil ball, heavy oil? not so sure of that, but the performance is perfect. Again as I have stated in numerous threads, matching up the ball to the bowler is key...regardless of manufacturer. Since July, when I was added to staff...I saw no MOTIV balls around..none. Now I have seen, almost every night, at least 2 MOTIV balls being thrown...I drilled 4 last week and tonight will be number 2 of the week. If MOTIV keeps this quality and performance up....look out everyone....there will plenty of MOTIVation for everyone to get the latest MOTIV piece.

Thanks you for reading.
Brian
MOTIV STAFF
www.motivbowling.com

titletowncards · « **Reply #22 on:** December 31, 2010, 01:40:13 PM »

BALL SPECS

Pin Length: 2.5"

Ball Weight: 15.3 lbs.

DRILL PATTERN

Pin to PAP: 5"

CG to PAP: 4"

X Hole (if there is one): None

BOWLER STYLE

Ball Speed: 16-17 mph

Track: High

SURFACE PREP

Grit: 500 Abralon, then 4000 Abralon

Type: Matte

LANE CONDITION

Length: 40 ft.

Volume: Medium

Type: THS

BALL REACTION

Length: Medium

Back End: Strong but controllable

Overall Hook: 80 (1-100)

Midlane Read: Best Midlane read I've seen in a ball

Breakpoint Shape: More of an arch.

COMMENTS

Likes: My first Motiv ball and I love it, it's my benchmark ball right now. Great overall reaction, very controllable and carries very well. Best Midlane read I've seen in a ball and great continuation threw the pins. I've included a video of the ball reaction, it's my first try so it's a little raw, but the music is awesome!

Dislikes: This ball needs oil up front to get through that part of the lane to react properly, otherwise it seems to check up early and not carry, but that's why Motiv makes the Recon Pearl(which I recently picked up, video and review coming soon).

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XaTY7kPhPc&feature=fvst

titletowncards

rcspeed · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:58:37 AM »

This ball is a good ball. I like the reaction on it. I throw down the 5 board and hook it into the pocket. It hooks late and hits hard. This ball likes a little speed, though. I am not a big cranker and if the lanes are heavy oil and I slow it down down too much, it will leave a lot of single pins and weird splits. But if the speed is increased slightly, it works great.

On the box, the logo is listed as being red. However, when the ball was new, the color was PINK. However after I got about 10 games on the ball, the logo has changed colors and is now red. This is not a problem. But if you are anti-pink, you need to be ready for it to be that way in the box. Just be patient and it will change, if they all work like mine.

backupball · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:33:23 PM »

BALL SPECS

Pin Length: 2.5"

Starting Top Weight: 3.2 oz

Ball Weight: 15 lb 1 oz

DRILL PATTERN

Pin to PAP: 4"

MP to PAP: 5"

X Hole (if there is one): none

BOWLER STYLE

Rev Rate: med-low

Ball Speed: 15 mph on Qubica scorers

PAP/Track: 5" over, 1/2" up

SURFACE PREP

Grit: 2000 wet sand

Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded): sanded

LANE CONDITION

Length: 40'

Volume: med-high

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS, AMF HP Synthetics

BALL REACTION

Length: cleared the front easily

Back End: moderate

Overall Hook: not the biggest out there, but more than adequate

Midlane Read: good

Breakpoint Shape: arc

COMMENTS

Likes: Consistent reaction, strong hit

Dislikes: N/A

This layout put the pin about 3/4" north-east of my ring finger with the MB just south-east of my thumb. I also threw this ball some on a slightly flatter THS on wood lanes and both sessions showed that going up the boards or using a slight belly were where this ball was able to shine the most. The reaction was good and the hit very solid... not tons of messengers, just 10 pins down almost all the time. The ball was able to hook back when I got very soft with the speed and used more head belly, but hit was a little soft in that situation. I am happy with this ball and look forward to throwing it on conditions where I use a more direct angle.

kgm32 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 26, 2011, 07:40:33 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: Usually between 39-40 in length

Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

COMMENTS

Likes: Love the way this ball looks. On synthetic lanes works great on my THS with a strong back end rarely leaving a corner pins. Works the same on my THS when the lanes are freshly oiled however....

Dislikes: Not really a dislike, just to much ball (for me) for wood lanes after they start drying out the ball becomes to aggressive and hard for me to adjust to usually having to pull out my Black Widow Pearl when this happens.

I am back to bowling after a 10 year absence actually won this ball as a door prize. I throw the ball with medium speed but not a lot of revs. I don't know if I would recommend this ball for someone without a lot of experience and who may be looking to carry just one ball with them. Seem to work better on Synthetic Lanes and oily lanes and if I didn't have a second ball to turn to I would not do well with this ball alone on my wood lane house. That of course may be because this is a Pro performance ball intended for a more experience bowler.

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

Big Kahuna · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2011, 11:50:34 AM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: 38 - 40 ft

Volume: medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS

COMMENTS:

I purchased the ball because I needed something stronger for tournaments or in case i ran into lanes that would have a lot more oil. I play in 2 different house on weekends so I decided to throw this ball at my first league where sometimes has alot more oil pending on which lanes you play on. Knowing that this is a strong ball, I was really pleased on how this ball handled THS lanes. The more I sent this ball wide, the harder this ball came back. As the lanes got drier, I was more surprised that I was able to use this ball for all three games. For me, making minor adjustments with this ball was easy as I ended up close to a 700 series scratch. As for my Sunday league, I shot 728 scratch.

Likes: The overall "intimidating" look of this ball. The 'smoke/gray' with the orange Motiv logo along with the name "CRUEL" really compliments this ball. The fact that i've only used this ball over one weekend, I haven't shot less than 200 and have a score of 272 scratch as my highest. This is my new "Go To" ball.

Dislikes: none

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

Never BLAME the ball

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TamerBowling · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2011, 08:41:37 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: 41ft

Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

COMMENTS

A very good control ball. Core revs early and strong, reading the midlane very well. Has a moderate and controlled backend reaction. This is not a big booming ball. It's all about control. Surprisingly, you can use this ball on medium conditions even when they breakdown. You can really stay around the pocket for a long time.

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

For the full review and video, please visit:

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/motiv-cruel-c51-ball-review/

Digitrax analysis at:

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/motiv-cruel-c51-digitrax-analysis/

or Youtube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yoUYkKpYdU

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Edited on 2/6/2011 at 12:35 PM

mrpinblaster2 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2011, 09:31:57 AM »

MOTIV CRUEL C51 LE

Coverstock:

The Cruel C51 LE features a new additive to increase the surface texture (Higher RA value) of the black and red Formula-5™ Pearl Reactive coverstock. This feature helps low to moderate rev bowlers cross more boards down the lane in medium to heavy oil. High rev bowlers will find that this additive provides a smooth, but very strong backend motion. This ball’s motion is unique where it seems to be hooking as it is revving going down the lane, unlike most pearls where there is a skid flip motion.

Box Finish:

The factory finish on the Cruel LE is 2000 wet sand / Power Gel Polish. This finish will provide an aggressive reaction with length and a very strong backend with continuation. There seems to be a very light polish out of the box but is polish-friendly if additional polish is desired.

Inner Core:

The Cruel LE has the same asymmetric core as the original Cruel C51 which it is very aggressive. The specs are maxed out. The Cruel C51 has an RG of 2.48 and a .060 diff and a .30 mass bias differential (15# ball).

Cruel LE drilled:

Axis Point - 5" over 0" up/down

Pin to PAP- 5 1/2" (pin located above fingers)

Mass Bias Placement – 4 ½” from PAP
Balance Hole – 5/8” (small hole) 6 ½’’ over just above midline
Surface Preparation - Out of Box (2000 Wet Sand / Power Gel polish)

Review:

Motiv advertises this ball for medium to heavy oil but because of the new additive to the cover this ball matches up to more conditions than expected. I have used it with the “out of the box” surface on most typical house conditions and heavy oil tournament conditions with much success (averaging 235 for 20 games with a high game/series of 279/743 so far). I also have seen it used successfully on a light house condition with strong backends by a bowler with less rev rate than myself and that bowler ended up having a 700 series that night! Basically this ball strikes and continues to strike whatever event you may be competing. Motiv has a winner with this one … better add this one to the top of your bowling ball wish list if you want to add more strikes to your game. It’s a Cruel World!

Ernie Segura

Motiv Seed Program (Michigan)

36 Certified 300’s

20 Certified 800’s

www.motivbowling.com

Edited on 4/6/2011 at 7:51 AM

dna300x · « **Reply #29 on:** April 25, 2011, 01:44:14 PM »

BALL SPECS

Pin Length: 3.5"

Starting Top Weight: 3.5 oz.

Ball Weight: 16 lbs, 3 oz.

*Please note: my review is for the Motiv Cruel C 51 L.E. (black/red)

DRILL PATTERN

Pin to PAP: 5"

MB to PAP: 4.5"

X Hole (if there is one): NONE

*60 x 5 x 40

BOWLER STYLE

Rev Rate: 350 RPM

Ball Speed: 19 MPH

PAP/Track: 3 3/8 over, 5/8 up

SURFACE PREP

Grit: 1000

Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded): matte

LANE CONDITION

Length: 41 feet

Volume: medium to high

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS, and Kegel Middle of The Road

BALL REACTION

Length: clean through the fronts w/ aggressive midlane read

Back End: strong continuous arc

Overall Hook: high, covers the same amount (if not more) of boards as the TR2 which comes from the factory at 800 grit wet sand.

Midlane Read: very strong and noticeable. it's difficult to throw this ball through the breakpoint.

Breakpoint Shape: strong arc. not a flipper, but very good continuation and allows the bowler to play the backend of the lane more.

COMMENTS

Likes: Strong core/cover combo that allows one to move deeper on the lane and swing/belly the ball more. good for heavier/longer conditions. very aggressive bowling ball.

Dislikes: on anything less than medium I strongly suggest keeping this ball in the bag. the strong core/cover combo doesn't favor shorter, drier lane conditions.

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

http://www.youtube.com/user/PBABWLR91#p/a/u/0/xQy_PUHZSLk

Darren Andretta
Motiv/Vise Inserts Regional Staff
www.motivbowling.com

Get MOTIVated!

Edited on 4/25/2011 at 11:46 AM

Edited on 4/26/2011 at 6:28 PM

awesomeflip · « **Reply #30 on:** June 15, 2011, 10:47:58 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length:28'

Volume:KMOTR

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):

THS

COMMENTS

Likes:Well i must admit it is my (as of now) 9 pin no tap ball as long as i can keep it on the lanes or not drop my shoulder no matter where it hits it is good for atleast 9 out of ten But to be honest the no tap league i bowl in with my buddies on Sunday mornings most the time are real strikes more so then on Monday & Friday night leagues. LOL

Dislikes: None with the ball as of yet

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

Awesomeflip

God, Bowling & my kids nothing in life is better.

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