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Forge Fire
« on: October 03, 2019, 04:59:43 PM »
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The Motiv Forge line of bowling balls continues with the Motiv Forge Fire. This high performance ball introduces the Infusion Hybrid Reactive coverstock which offers a faster reaction to the friction on the lane than its predessesor, the original Forge. The Forge Fire also utilizes the low RG and high differential symmetrical Detonator core. This ball is great at creating angle for various types of bowlers when facing medium to heavy oil.

Color: Dark Red/Yellow
All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown
Core: Detonator
Coverstock: Infusion Hybrid Reactive
Finish: 4000 Grit LSS
RG: 2.47**
Diff: 0.055**
** RG and Diff are based off of 15 lb. balls
Recommended Lane Condition: Medium to Heavy Oil

 

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Forge Fire
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2019, 12:06:07 PM »
I drilled two Forge Fireballs because I wanted to see the reaction Iíd get down lawn with my traditional 60x5.75x30 and to see how a shorter pin to pap would react(drilled 60x3.75x30).

The Forge Fire is a strong symmetrical piece and with my shorter pin to pap layout it works really well on a fresh house shot. When the heads burn up and the ball sees friction early I can stay in the same zone and use my longer pin to pap layout. I noticed that the short pin to pap layout flared a lot more and would burn its energy really early if I wasnít playing deep enough in the oil therefore causing some carry/defection concerns. The longer pin to pap layout gave me room to play right longer and I noticed greater continuation and a higher carry percentage when the lanes broke down.

The Forge Fire is cleaner and a faster response ball compared to the Forge. When the Forge responds too quickly to friction you can move to the Fire and get the down lane reaction and the extra push through the fronts.  I like the angularity and versatility this ball provides and it can be used on a variety of patterns.

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2019, 01:01:17 AM »
Motiv Forge Fire Review:

   The Forge Fire is Motivís New Medium/Heavy end ball. I loved the original Forge so I was super excited for this release. The Fire features the new Infusion Hybrid cover stock wrapped around the Detonator core. For me it reads the mid lane sooner then the OG Forge but doesnít over react and still keeps a strong continuation through the pins. I used a stronger layout on the new Fire, using a 4.5í pin layout. My layout helped the ball keep a strong smoother reaction overall without being crazy off the spot. The cover stock also helps it retain the extra energy through the pins. Overall if you like bigger symmetrical pieces or are looking for a big Hybrid piece, this is the ball to go to!

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2019, 09:22:21 PM »
Motivís new Forge Fire is just flat out good.  Buy it.  Put it in your bag.  You wonít be disappointed.  This ball has the new Infusion Hybrid Reactive cover on top of the Forge Detonator core.  Being a speed dominate bowler the Forge was just too early unless I had a ton of volume.  This ball is just so much better and more versatile.  The cover is clean through the fronts and the ball explodes down-lane. On most league nights you have to migrate left as the pattern gets destroyed.  But for speed dominate players carry becomes a problem from inside angles.  Not with this ball.  It just rips off the spot.  I leave more 4pins then ever before when I am moving in.  This is a special release. Itís currently my favorite ball in the bag.  Look at my prior reviews.  I will say itís good etc. This is different  and really fun to throw. 

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Bringing the Heat!
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2019, 04:13:05 PM »
Layout:
   55 x 5Ē x 25

Born from the combined might of two new and exciting technologies, the MOTIV Forge Fire has burst onto the scene for those looking for a medium-heavy oil ball. To create a new standout ball that would combat these conditions, a marriage of previous 2019 releases took place. The Detonator core (2.47RG, .055Diff) first used in the Forge has been brought back because of its hard-revving action and flare-producing potential. The Infusion reactive cover was then beefed up into a hybrid version (finished at 4000 LSS) in order to provide more surface traction in the oil while still utilizing its natural quick response time when friction is found. While that stand out yellow and burgundy color is amazing, itís the reaction on the lane that has wowed me the most.
   Having enjoyed my Forge quite a bit, I laid the Fire out the same way figuring that the VAL angle and the quicker responding shell would allow me to open up the lane more than that original; oh it did. Even on a fresh THS you can see the ball starting to churn early in the midlane thereby helping to read and blend the pattern a little bit. Even with that effect happening, the Infusion coverstock still retains an impressive amount of energy allowing for a pronounced motion off the friction. This rare combination of midlane control with aggressive backend finish creates an extremely versatile ball that has allowed me to attack the lane at a multitude of angels across multiple arrows. The most impressive showing I have had to date was when I started game one laying down at 18 and crossing at 14 then finishing the three-game set still throwing the Fire laying down 33 and crossing 22. For comparison, when throwing my original Forge I could start the day on a similar line but would have to ball down in game two because the angle of attack just became too much for the ball to make the turn and slap out the ten. I have also found that the Fire reads a solid two to three feet sooner than my Rogue Assassin even though it has a stronger pin to PAP layout (4Ē). The only time I have truly run into trouble with this ball to date is when there is not enough oil in the heads to get the ball down the lane. The aggressive combination of cover and core necessitates that oil be plentiful up front to unleash this ballís full potential.
   To me the Forge Fire is an aggressive benchmark ball. If you need something that will hook in the oil that will also give you a bit of forgiveness by creating room with response to downlane friction, this ball is a must have in your bag.

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2019, 12:21:28 PM »
The new Forgeô Fire brings the heat to the medium-heavy oil Forgeô line.   Featuring the new Infusionô Hybrid Reactive coverstock, the Forgeô Fire has a much faster response to friction than the original Forgeô.  This eye popping low rg/high differential symmetrical piece is a must have for people looking to stand out and strike!

Iíve drilled two of these, one being stronger (5Ēx35) and a second one being weaker (6Ēx35). For me, the stronger one sees the lane too fast for a house shot,  and I find it being a much better option when polished. On a sport shot, itís very good for straighter angles.  Even at 5Ē, it flares a ton. 

The second one rolls absolutely amazing on just about everything Iíve thrown it on. I can swing it and it gets back from the dry, or stay straighter on higher volume shots, and itís probably become one of the most versatile balls in my bag, and takes to every surface Iíve tried very well. It now has a tendency to be the first ball out of my bag if thereís oil. My takeaway from this is: DRILL IT WEAK. 

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2019, 08:21:32 PM »

The Forge Fire has been an instant first ball out of the bag for me since making its debut. It has become my new bench mark, although it is on the stronger side.
The Fire has the angular Infusion cover that was first used on the Ripcord, allowing bowlers to create angle on heavier oil patterns. This cover gives a quicker response to friction, therefore creating more angle than the original Forge. Iíve been able to use this ball on your typical house shot, playing further left on the lane than I normally can on fresh with other balls.
Iíve seen a good transition from trident abyss to forge fire to ripcord throughout a block of tournament play. When I moved left to a point I canít create the angle I needed with the abyss, this ball was there to get through the front and give me strong back end without having to really change where I want to play on the lanes. That last statement is huge for me, Iím a bowler who would rather change balls than move from an area of a lane that Iíve already become comfortable in if I can.
Iíve seen great things from the Forge Fire from a variety of players, and it is definitely a stand out with the color scheme. Go out, get one, and shoot some scores.

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2019, 12:27:04 PM »

So I received my forge fire a few weeks ago and I've got a few thoughts on it.
First, let me say this a nice compliment to my original red forge. This ball has a hybrid cover and just feels very different than the original forge. I know they have the same guys(same core) but that cover really makes the ball feel very different.
 For me, I drilled both of my forge series balls the same way 60*5*30. The OG forge was very strong but smooth and it didn't have much down lane change of direction. But was a great compliment to the trident abyss and the jackals.
 What makes the Forge fire seem so different is the shape down the lane for me. You can see this ball slowing down and picking up the mid lane but really wants to change direction with authority. It, not the most angular ball that motiv makes but for a super low RG ball with lots of Diff its a bit different from the norm that you might expect from motiv.

On a side note, the colors are fantastic in person! Looks amazing going down the lane, looks like a litteral fireball


Specs PAP 4 over 1/2 Up
Tilt 15degree
Axis Rotation 60

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2019, 07:25:46 PM »
Forge Fire
I usually do not match up well with hybrid covers, but the Infusion Hybrid Reactive cover and low rg Detonator core to me make the Forge Fire a must have... Whether you bowl mostly house or are a tournament player, this ball will allow you to open up the lane in ways pearl or reactive separately may start to burn up or be too slow. I'm a rev dominant, medium speed player, and the Forge Fire allows me to create much steeper angles when the back ends get torched, while also giving great continuation.

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2019, 10:08:59 AM »
Forge Fire
    What to say about this ballÖ I drilled my FIRE, 70 X 4.75 X 45. This puts the pin just above the middle of my bridge. My hopes with this drilling was to utilize the Core/Cover combo to generate some length and stronger down lane motion on longer/heavier volume patterns. The OG Forge is a great for keeping angles smaller on these types of patterns and I wanted a compliment to this ball when the pattern needs to be opened up a bit or stronger over all motion is needed.
     The FIRE is straight up a beast. The Core/Cover combo produces a ball that clears the fronts easily, reads the mid lane really well and allows the dry on the back end to be read really hard. This to say, is a really strong, clean ball that still allows you to stay in the puddle and not loose hitting power and sees the lane when the oil is present. What I have seen on THS is something that allows me to start way deeper than most anyone and send the FIRE right to the dry. I have had to change releases a bit to allow the ball to really pop off the back end. When I roll the ball more end over end this ball is super strong and sees the lane a bit too much for the THS. When I finally was able to see some real wax and volume WOWÖ This ball really shinned for me. I was able to really open the lane up and send this to the dirt with out fear of the ball not getting back.
     It is my belief the FIRE is going to be in my bag for a really long time. Some of the other releases over the years that have stayed in my bag are the OG Shock, QZ2 backdraft and Thrash. This ball felt like one of those instantly, not because they of the way it rolled but because it really fits a purpose. I feel bowlers of all types will benefit from having this nugget in the bag. If your heavy handed and like to be a little strong on the speed you will be able to utilize the easy revving core. If you are a little slower ball speed and have some rev rate the cover will help you clear the fronts and not over read the mid lane. All in all this really feels like one of those balls that could win ball of the year.


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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2019, 07:33:47 AM »
The original Forge is a great ball for heavier oil when you want a smooth, round, predictable shape. It has bailed me out of a lot of tough situations since it was released. The Forge Fire takes that rolly core that was on the original Forge, but puts the same hybrid coverstock on it that was on the RipCord. The result is a ball that has the ability to read the pattern well, but gives you more length and more flip on the backend to help maximize your carry. If you liked the Forge and want something to compliment it when you move left, or even if you didn't think the Forge would have been good for you because you wanted more flip in your higher-end ball, then the Forge Fire is definitely something you'll want to look at. It's had great success on the PBA Tour as well. Plus that awesome bright yellow!!!

I have put together a YouTube video review of the Forge Fire, which you can watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v-mvlE5KOw

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2019, 03:07:00 PM »
Layout: 60x4.5x40

With a low RG and higher Diff combined with a hybrid cover stock, the Forge Fire gives a very predictable shape through the middle of the lane, with a lot of length and more back end motion.

I'm able to throw this ball on heavier oil patterns and it still has incredible shape down lane and continuation through the pins, which is something that was previously missing from my arsenal. If you're looking for a higher end ball with more down lane motion, or are a speed dominant player that has trouble with carry, look no further than the new Forge Fire!

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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 09:00:41 AM »
ďFire burns everything... A truly invincible ability."- Portgas D. Ace
Forge Fire
Core: Detonator
Coverstock: Infusion Hybrid Reactive
Finish: 4000 Grit LSS
Layout 70 x 4 x 30 

Forge Fire (noun): 1. A high performance Infusion Hybrid Reactive coverstock which offers a faster reaction to the friction on the lane than its predecessor. 2. Utilizes the low RG and high differential symmetrical Detonator core. This ball is great at creating angle for various types of bowlers when facing medium to heavy oil.



In the Forge Fire you have the same continuation that was presented to you in the original Forge and while they are similar in terms of the Detonator core they do differ at the coverstock and box finish, the Forge coverstock is Coercion HFS at Coercion HFS 3000 LSS and the Forge Fire is Infusion Hybrid Reactive at 4000 LSS.

Forge Fire will provide you more length and backend motion than that of Forge, however Forge will provide you with more overall hook and is earlier upfront due to Coercion being the stronger coverstock of the two.  Forge Fire will allow you to create more angle of heavier patterns because of its quicker response time to friction to that of the original Forge, this is what makes Fire Forge a great complement to the original Forge.   Another major plus about Fire Forge is its color scheme as you will be able to tell what itís going to or not going to do, you can see it go through all three of its phases because of its bright color scheme.   Using the combination of a burgundy scotch brite pad and a 2000 abralon pad with greatly increase its continuation and the angularity will become slower and more controllable than what it is out of box, ideal for those that want a slower pace of ball motion.


Strengths

Forge Fire is very responsive at the breakpoint and although it is not our strongest weapon in terms of providing down lane motion, it offers plenty of motion off the spot.

Fire Forge provides a big move from a backend standpoint, for what it provides it was still easy to control the pocket.


Weaknesses

Forge Fire can produce too much hook for your liking encountering heavy friction.


Fire Forge does as advertised and is a valuable benchmark.  I use mine in tandem with Golden Jackal as the ball motion is similar, Iíve maintained success on a variety of conditions save for extreme friction. Donít worry about playing with fire.  Thatís your opponents job.  I encourage you to give Fire Forge a look.

Your game will thank you for it.


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Re: Forge Fire
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2019, 04:08:35 PM »
FORGE FIRE is a must have
For myself this ball is amazing. It allows me to move left(house shot) and not worry about the corner pins while knowing if I miss right it is coming back like itís on FIRE. If you want a ball for heavier oil or for when you need to move left but canít carry this is the ball for the job. This is a ball that I will stock up on and have a few in the bag for years.

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