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Title: Forge Fire
Post by: BallReviews-scodaddy21 on October 03, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
The Motiv Forge line of bowling balls continues with the Motiv Forge Fire. This high performance ball introduces the Infusion Hybrid Reactive coverstock which offers a faster reaction to the friction on the lane than its predessesor, the original Forge. The Forge Fire also utilizes the low RG and high differential symmetrical Detonator core. This ball is great at creating angle for various types of bowlers when facing medium to heavy oil.

Color: Dark Red/Yellow
All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown
Core: Detonator
Coverstock: Infusion Hybrid Reactive
Finish: 4000 Grit LSS
RG: 2.47**
Diff: 0.055**
** RG and Diff are based off of 15 lb. balls
Recommended Lane Condition: Medium to Heavy Oil
Title: Forge Fire
Post by: james.turner@ppg.com on October 08, 2019, 12:06:07 PM
I drilled two Forge Fireballs because I wanted to see the reaction I’d get down lawn with my traditional 60x5.75x30 and to see how a shorter pin to pap would react(drilled 60x3.75x30).

The Forge Fire is a strong symmetrical piece and with my shorter pin to pap layout it works really well on a fresh house shot. When the heads burn up and the ball sees friction early I can stay in the same zone and use my longer pin to pap layout. I noticed that the short pin to pap layout flared a lot more and would burn its energy really early if I wasn’t playing deep enough in the oil therefore causing some carry/defection concerns. The longer pin to pap layout gave me room to play right longer and I noticed greater continuation and a higher carry percentage when the lanes broke down.

The Forge Fire is cleaner and a faster response ball compared to the Forge. When the Forge responds too quickly to friction you can move to the Fire and get the down lane reaction and the extra push through the fronts.  I like the angularity and versatility this ball provides and it can be used on a variety of patterns.

James Turner
MOTIV STAFF
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: MotivMackie on October 15, 2019, 01:01:17 AM
Motiv Forge Fire Review:

   The Forge Fire is Motiv’s New Medium/Heavy end ball. I loved the original Forge so I was super excited for this release. The Fire features the new Infusion Hybrid cover stock wrapped around the Detonator core. For me it reads the mid lane sooner then the OG Forge but doesn’t over react and still keeps a strong continuation through the pins. I used a stronger layout on the new Fire, using a 4.5’ pin layout. My layout helped the ball keep a strong smoother reaction overall without being crazy off the spot. The cover stock also helps it retain the extra energy through the pins. Overall if you like bigger symmetrical pieces or are looking for a big Hybrid piece, this is the ball to go to!

Motiv Staffer
   Sean Mackie

YouTube:
https://youtu.be/2IJsl4QjVOU
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: rayner13 on October 15, 2019, 09:22:21 PM
Motiv’s new Forge Fire is just flat out good.  Buy it.  Put it in your bag.  You won’t be disappointed.  This ball has the new Infusion Hybrid Reactive cover on top of the Forge Detonator core.  Being a speed dominate bowler the Forge was just too early unless I had a ton of volume.  This ball is just so much better and more versatile.  The cover is clean through the fronts and the ball explodes down-lane. On most league nights you have to migrate left as the pattern gets destroyed.  But for speed dominate players carry becomes a problem from inside angles.  Not with this ball.  It just rips off the spot.  I leave more 4pins then ever before when I am moving in.  This is a special release. It’s currently my favorite ball in the bag.  Look at my prior reviews.  I will say it’s good etc. This is different  and really fun to throw. 

Matt Rayner
Motiv Staff
Title: Bringing the Heat!
Post by: toverbey on October 18, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
Layout:
   55 x 5” x 25

Born from the combined might of two new and exciting technologies, the MOTIV Forge Fire has burst onto the scene for those looking for a medium-heavy oil ball. To create a new standout ball that would combat these conditions, a marriage of previous 2019 releases took place. The Detonator core (2.47RG, .055Diff) first used in the Forge has been brought back because of its hard-revving action and flare-producing potential. The Infusion reactive cover was then beefed up into a hybrid version (finished at 4000 LSS) in order to provide more surface traction in the oil while still utilizing its natural quick response time when friction is found. While that stand out yellow and burgundy color is amazing, it’s the reaction on the lane that has wowed me the most.
   Having enjoyed my Forge quite a bit, I laid the Fire out the same way figuring that the VAL angle and the quicker responding shell would allow me to open up the lane more than that original; oh it did. Even on a fresh THS you can see the ball starting to churn early in the midlane thereby helping to read and blend the pattern a little bit. Even with that effect happening, the Infusion coverstock still retains an impressive amount of energy allowing for a pronounced motion off the friction. This rare combination of midlane control with aggressive backend finish creates an extremely versatile ball that has allowed me to attack the lane at a multitude of angels across multiple arrows. The most impressive showing I have had to date was when I started game one laying down at 18 and crossing at 14 then finishing the three-game set still throwing the Fire laying down 33 and crossing 22. For comparison, when throwing my original Forge I could start the day on a similar line but would have to ball down in game two because the angle of attack just became too much for the ball to make the turn and slap out the ten. I have also found that the Fire reads a solid two to three feet sooner than my Rogue Assassin even though it has a stronger pin to PAP layout (4”). The only time I have truly run into trouble with this ball to date is when there is not enough oil in the heads to get the ball down the lane. The aggressive combination of cover and core necessitates that oil be plentiful up front to unleash this ball’s full potential.
   To me the Forge Fire is an aggressive benchmark ball. If you need something that will hook in the oil that will also give you a bit of forgiveness by creating room with response to downlane friction, this ball is a must have in your bag.

Trent Overbey
In the Zone Pro Shop
MOTIV Staff
www.motivbowling.com
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: jamotivated on October 20, 2019, 12:21:28 PM
The new Forgeâ„¢ Fire brings the heat to the medium-heavy oil Forgeâ„¢ line.   Featuring the new Infusionâ„¢ Hybrid Reactive coverstock, the Forgeâ„¢ Fire has a much faster response to friction than the original Forgeâ„¢.  This eye popping low rg/high differential symmetrical piece is a must have for people looking to stand out and strike!

I’ve drilled two of these, one being stronger (5”x35) and a second one being weaker (6”x35). For me, the stronger one sees the lane too fast for a house shot,  and I find it being a much better option when polished. On a sport shot, it’s very good for straighter angles.  Even at 5”, it flares a ton. 

The second one rolls absolutely amazing on just about everything I’ve thrown it on. I can swing it and it gets back from the dry, or stay straighter on higher volume shots, and it’s probably become one of the most versatile balls in my bag, and takes to every surface I’ve tried very well. It now has a tendency to be the first ball out of my bag if there’s oil. My takeaway from this is: DRILL IT WEAK. 

Jamison Peyton
Motiv Staffer
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Merino.d23 on October 20, 2019, 08:21:32 PM

The Forge Fire has been an instant first ball out of the bag for me since making its debut. It has become my new bench mark, although it is on the stronger side.
The Fire has the angular Infusion cover that was first used on the Ripcord, allowing bowlers to create angle on heavier oil patterns. This cover gives a quicker response to friction, therefore creating more angle than the original Forge. I’ve been able to use this ball on your typical house shot, playing further left on the lane than I normally can on fresh with other balls.
I’ve seen a good transition from trident abyss to forge fire to ripcord throughout a block of tournament play. When I moved left to a point I can’t create the angle I needed with the abyss, this ball was there to get through the front and give me strong back end without having to really change where I want to play on the lanes. That last statement is huge for me, I’m a bowler who would rather change balls than move from an area of a lane that I’ve already become comfortable in if I can.
I’ve seen great things from the Forge Fire from a variety of players, and it is definitely a stand out with the color scheme. Go out, get one, and shoot some scores.

Danielle Merino
Motiv Staff
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Wolfstrike on October 21, 2019, 12:27:04 PM

So I received my forge fire a few weeks ago and I've got a few thoughts on it.
First, let me say this a nice compliment to my original red forge. This ball has a hybrid cover and just feels very different than the original forge. I know they have the same guys(same core) but that cover really makes the ball feel very different.
 For me, I drilled both of my forge series balls the same way 60*5*30. The OG forge was very strong but smooth and it didn't have much down lane change of direction. But was a great compliment to the trident abyss and the jackals.
 What makes the Forge fire seem so different is the shape down the lane for me. You can see this ball slowing down and picking up the mid lane but really wants to change direction with authority. It, not the most angular ball that motiv makes but for a super low RG ball with lots of Diff its a bit different from the norm that you might expect from motiv.

On a side note, the colors are fantastic in person! Looks amazing going down the lane, looks like a litteral fireball


Specs PAP 4 over 1/2 Up
Tilt 15degree
Axis Rotation 60
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: ryanmotivstaff on October 25, 2019, 07:25:46 PM
Forge Fire
I usually do not match up well with hybrid covers, but the Infusion Hybrid Reactive cover and low rg Detonator core to me make the Forge Fire a must have... Whether you bowl mostly house or are a tournament player, this ball will allow you to open up the lane in ways pearl or reactive separately may start to burn up or be too slow. I'm a rev dominant, medium speed player, and the Forge Fire allows me to create much steeper angles when the back ends get torched, while also giving great continuation.

Ryan Briguglio
MOTIVStaffer
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Mohrevs on October 28, 2019, 10:08:59 AM
Forge Fire
    What to say about this ball… I drilled my FIRE, 70 X 4.75 X 45. This puts the pin just above the middle of my bridge. My hopes with this drilling was to utilize the Core/Cover combo to generate some length and stronger down lane motion on longer/heavier volume patterns. The OG Forge is a great for keeping angles smaller on these types of patterns and I wanted a compliment to this ball when the pattern needs to be opened up a bit or stronger over all motion is needed.
     The FIRE is straight up a beast. The Core/Cover combo produces a ball that clears the fronts easily, reads the mid lane really well and allows the dry on the back end to be read really hard. This to say, is a really strong, clean ball that still allows you to stay in the puddle and not loose hitting power and sees the lane when the oil is present. What I have seen on THS is something that allows me to start way deeper than most anyone and send the FIRE right to the dry. I have had to change releases a bit to allow the ball to really pop off the back end. When I roll the ball more end over end this ball is super strong and sees the lane a bit too much for the THS. When I finally was able to see some real wax and volume WOW… This ball really shinned for me. I was able to really open the lane up and send this to the dirt with out fear of the ball not getting back.
     It is my belief the FIRE is going to be in my bag for a really long time. Some of the other releases over the years that have stayed in my bag are the OG Shock, QZ2 backdraft and Thrash. This ball felt like one of those instantly, not because they of the way it rolled but because it really fits a purpose. I feel bowlers of all types will benefit from having this nugget in the bag. If your heavy handed and like to be a little strong on the speed you will be able to utilize the easy revving core. If you are a little slower ball speed and have some rev rate the cover will help you clear the fronts and not over read the mid lane. All in all this really feels like one of those balls that could win ball of the year.


Clayton Mohr
Motiv Staff
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Jeff Piroozshad on November 06, 2019, 07:33:47 AM
The original Forge is a great ball for heavier oil when you want a smooth, round, predictable shape. It has bailed me out of a lot of tough situations since it was released. The Forge Fire takes that rolly core that was on the original Forge, but puts the same hybrid coverstock on it that was on the RipCord. The result is a ball that has the ability to read the pattern well, but gives you more length and more flip on the backend to help maximize your carry. If you liked the Forge and want something to compliment it when you move left, or even if you didn't think the Forge would have been good for you because you wanted more flip in your higher-end ball, then the Forge Fire is definitely something you'll want to look at. It's had great success on the PBA Tour as well. Plus that awesome bright yellow!!!

I have put together a YouTube video review of the Forge Fire, which you can watch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v-mvlE5KOw

Jeff Piroozshad

MOTIV Staffer
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: devmiller300 on November 06, 2019, 03:07:00 PM
Layout: 60x4.5x40

With a low RG and higher Diff combined with a hybrid cover stock, the Forge Fire gives a very predictable shape through the middle of the lane, with a lot of length and more back end motion.

I'm able to throw this ball on heavier oil patterns and it still has incredible shape down lane and continuation through the pins, which is something that was previously missing from my arsenal. If you're looking for a higher end ball with more down lane motion, or are a speed dominant player that has trouble with carry, look no further than the new Forge Fire!

Devon Miller

MOTIV Staffer
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: The SuperHitMan on November 08, 2019, 09:00:41 AM
“Fire burns everything... A truly invincible ability."- Portgas D. Ace
Forge Fire
Core: Detonator
Coverstock: Infusion Hybrid Reactive
Finish: 4000 Grit LSS
Layout 70 x 4 x 30 

Forge Fire (noun): 1. A high performance Infusion Hybrid Reactive coverstock which offers a faster reaction to the friction on the lane than its predecessor. 2. Utilizes the low RG and high differential symmetrical Detonator core. This ball is great at creating angle for various types of bowlers when facing medium to heavy oil.



In the Forge Fire you have the same continuation that was presented to you in the original Forge and while they are similar in terms of the Detonator core they do differ at the coverstock and box finish, the Forge coverstock is Coercion HFS at Coercion HFS 3000 LSS and the Forge Fire is Infusion Hybrid Reactive at 4000 LSS.

Forge Fire will provide you more length and backend motion than that of Forge, however Forge will provide you with more overall hook and is earlier upfront due to Coercion being the stronger coverstock of the two.  Forge Fire will allow you to create more angle of heavier patterns because of its quicker response time to friction to that of the original Forge, this is what makes Fire Forge a great complement to the original Forge.   Another major plus about Fire Forge is its color scheme as you will be able to tell what it’s going to or not going to do, you can see it go through all three of its phases because of its bright color scheme.   Using the combination of a burgundy scotch brite pad and a 2000 abralon pad with greatly increase its continuation and the angularity will become slower and more controllable than what it is out of box, ideal for those that want a slower pace of ball motion.


Strengths

Forge Fire is very responsive at the breakpoint and although it is not our strongest weapon in terms of providing down lane motion, it offers plenty of motion off the spot.

Fire Forge provides a big move from a backend standpoint, for what it provides it was still easy to control the pocket.


Weaknesses

Forge Fire can produce too much hook for your liking encountering heavy friction.


Fire Forge does as advertised and is a valuable benchmark.  I use mine in tandem with Golden Jackal as the ball motion is similar, I’ve maintained success on a variety of conditions save for extreme friction. Don’t worry about playing with fire.  That’s your opponents job.  I encourage you to give Fire Forge a look.

Your game will thank you for it.


K.C. White II
Motiv Staffer
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Ndoggette on November 11, 2019, 04:08:35 PM
FORGE FIRE is a must have
For myself this ball is amazing. It allows me to move left(house shot) and not worry about the corner pins while knowing if I miss right it is coming back like it’s on FIRE. If you want a ball for heavier oil or for when you need to move left but can’t carry this is the ball for the job. This is a ball that I will stock up on and have a few in the bag for years.

Nick Doggette
Motiv Staff
Title: Forge Fire
Post by: NeuBree87 on November 14, 2019, 09:23:06 AM
The Forge Fire is a great addition to the ever growing amazing lineup of Motiv balls! This ball gets thru the fronts with ease, reads the mid lane and and gets into a nice heavy roll into the pocket. It is a strong ball but not over reactive off the end of the pattern.  Definitely something you can get left with and not worry about losing any carry. Compared to the og Forge, it is longer and stronger, whereas the Forge picks up earlier and has a rounder shape to it.  The 2 layouts I used 60x5.75"x30 which puts the pin above the bridge and 50x3.5"x35 which is a stronger layout with the pin just right of my ring finger, making the ball reaction very round. Its also the ball featured in the attached YouTube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucafOz74m6k

Brent Neumann Motiv Staffer/Pro Shop Operator
Right Handed
Ball Speed 17
Rev Rate 329
Tilt 13*
Rotation 75*
PAP 4-7/8 over, 1/8 down
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: BigT on November 18, 2019, 09:45:24 AM
This ball is a great compliment and fits perfectly between the Ghost and the Villain Scorn. The ball is clean through the front and the coverstock is versatile to where you can hit it with a 2000 pad for a little earlier hook and smoother reaction or hit it with a 4000 pad to get it down the lane a little more while still being very controllable on the back end. The ball does not overreact to friction and it is a must have for your tournament bag.

Tim Emmers
Motiv Staff
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: DCBowler800 on November 21, 2019, 08:34:09 PM
55 x 4 7/8 x 40

Bowler Stats:
Rev Rate – 425
Ball Speed – 16.5 mph (down-lane)
PAP – 3 ½ over, ¾ up
Right-handed

Test Environment:
Fresh 42’ THS

Review:
With the ongoing successes I was having with the original Forge, I was instantly excited upon notification of the Forge Fire. It was fitting that I compared the two side-by-side. With a lower RG, I knew going in that the Detonator Core tries to create an early motion which allows for a controllable shape downlane. As the Forge has been a huge weapon for me on the fresher conditions, I based my layout for the Forge Fire to be used primarily as the lanes transition. The Forge Fire was quite surprising at first with how much more motion it creates downlane. The core and cover combination is amazing together because it gives me a controlled view of the lane, and allows me to attack with a bit more aggression downlane.

Likes:
Cleanliness in the fronts
Great combo with original Forge
Aggressive downlane motion

Dislikes:
None

Summary:
The Forge Fire will easily become one of my favorites, especially within the current lineup (not that any of it is bad). To simply put it, I’ve never seen a lower RG Hybrid or Pearl, perform so well. The controllability and aggressive is highly impressive. With the numerous patterns that I encounter, I will definitely have plenty of use for the Forge Fire both now and in the future. Paired with the original Forge, this 1-2 combination is going to be hard to be beat.

Darryl Carreon
MOTIV Staff / PBA Member
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Dkonczal_motivstaffer on December 02, 2019, 10:43:21 PM
LANE CONDITION

Length:40”

Volume:

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS


COMMENTS

Likes: Wow is the only way I can describe this ball. I have had it for a while and it has become a favorite and a staple in my bag. The colors are eye catching on this hybrid version of the infusion cover stock that loves to see friction but it’s also great on the fresh. This is what makes this ball great for my game. It reads the mid lane great and creates a nice round shape on the back end that is controllable.  I am able to keep this ball in my hands longer. I will definitely have a few more of these as time goes on. I highly recommend this ball to anyone considering it.

Dislikes: none


PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: kshipley17 on December 07, 2019, 01:39:36 PM
The Forge Fire is the newest in the Forge Line. It uses the Detonator core along with the infusion hybrid reactive coverstock. It comes at 4,000 LSS finish. This ball is an absolute beast. Everyone is matching up so well with this ball. I just recently held a Motiv Test Drive and almost everyone wanted to go home with this ball. The first night throwing this ball at my Thursday night center saw me throwing a 300 using this ball on the right lane and the Supra on the left lane. I also just shot 299 with this ball again on 12-5-19. This ball is going to be hard to take out of my bag during the upcoming tournament season I have scheduled.
Kye Shipley
MOTIV STAFF MEMEBER
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: RipSlinger on December 09, 2019, 10:56:56 AM
The Motiv Forge Fire features the Detonator weight block previously found in the original Forge. They wrapped this core with the Infusion Hybrid and finished the cover at 4000 grit LSS. The Fire really revs hard, but does not lose energy as it comes off the back of the pattern. The cover allows this ball to retain some “pop” as you open your angles up. I have found that the Fire at 2000 grit is very useful in early games when you need something to pick up and still have some energy once it gets to the pin deck. For house shots, I prefer the Fire with some lane shine as it allows the ball stay clean in the fronts on medium house shots and still carry the dreaded corner as the night goes on.

Elliott Askey
Motiv Staff
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: MOTIV Jason on December 09, 2019, 11:54:23 AM
Wow! When I first drilled and threw this ball I saw a similar shape to that I loved growing up as a kid. This ball gets down the lane and has a nice snap motion to the pocket. I can always play deep inside and swing it out to the friction and know it'll snap right back into the pocket. This is the first ball out of my bag in league and it just never seizes to amaze me!

Lane Condition: 40ft THS
2-Handed bowler
PAP: 6" over
BowlersMart Pro Shop Manager
MOTIV Staff

I would recommend this ball to a friend!
Title: Re: Forge Fire
Post by: Drew_Crain on January 07, 2020, 09:12:25 PM
The layout I used on the Forge Fire is 50x4 3/4x35. This ball will catch people’s eyes going down the lane! The colors are not the only thing unique about this ball. I was very pleased with how much recovery I had down lane with my misses. This ball is the first ball out of my bag for league on heavier oil house shots. I have always been a fan of lower RG balls with higher diffs. The Forge Fire takes surfaces adjustments really well. I prefer to keep mine at 2000 to make it a little smoother.

Drew Crain
Motiv Staff