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Primal Scream
« on: October 02, 2012, 09:03:38 AM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
- Color: Black/Green All colors do vary somewhat from the picture shown.
- CORE: Impulse™ V2
- COVERSTOCK: Whiplash™ Solid Reactive
- FINISH:   4000 Grit Sanded
- RG RATING: 15# SPECS: RG: 2.55, DIFF: .050
- Recommended Lane Condition: Medium-Heavy Oil
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal
- DESCRIPTION: The Primal Scream is built to be very clean down the lane with a vicious backend motion on medium to heavy oil. It features the dual-density Impulse V2 core, which has been newly engineered to provide a 2.55 RG and .050 differential. This symmetric core provides the perfect amount of length so the Whiplash Solid Reactive shell can unleash on the backend. The Primal Scream delivers outstanding entry angle and bull-dozing continuation through the pins. This ball is sure to make a huge impact in any bowlers arsenal.


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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2012, 01:39:48 PM »



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MOTIV Primal Scream Review

Ball stats:Core-Impulse V2  Coverstock-Whiplash Solid Reactive
Surface-4000 sanded  RG-2.55 15lbs.  RG:Diff-.50 15lbs.
Color-Green/black with white and orange logos.

My information
Ball speed-15mp average  Rev rate- 280 average
Axis tilt-15 degrees  Axis rotation-45 degrees
Ball drilling on the ball reviewed-60x45@43/4" P 3 hole

The Primal Scream cover and core combination creates more friction
friction than it's predecessor the Primal Impulse.Earlier revs and a better
read in the midlanes.The ball also has a much heavier continuation than
the Impulse.The Primal Scream creates much more overall hook
throughout the lane than the Impulse.

On oily lanes
The core and cover combo creates  a lot more  hook throughout the
entire lane.And creates a very long continuation when it encounters
friction at the back end.

The Primal Scream clears the heads and midlane nicely,but has enough
energy left to create a nice move on the back end.When it hits the friction
at the back end of the pattern,it turns and doesn't quit.When the lanes
start to go through the transition stage during games 2-3 is when the Scream
really shines.The midlane friction and back end motion allows you to move
deeper into the oil,and still get the ball to recover.
This recovery allows room for errors right of target.And gets just enough length,
so shots missed left have enough hold,which helps most shots stay off the nose.

Kegel: Winding Road 39' on/ Pro Anvilanes /Using the 4000 OOB surface.
The Primal Scream really shined for me on this pattern.On the fresh shot
the Primal Scream easily made it through the heads and created enough
friction in the  midlane in the 4000 OOB surface.And still stored enough energy
for a nice move on the back end.
What I needed to do on the fresh shot was to keep the ball slightly
to right.This helped keep the ball off the nose.With my ball speed,the ball
has too much reaction on the fresh to play the 39' pattern direct.Also it was
key for me to make sure my  ball speed was consistent.
During games 2-4 the Primal Scream allowed me to open up the lane more.Now
I could feed the ball further to the right,and use the back end motion of
the Scream created to get better recovery when the lanes transitioned.The
pin carry was better when the angles were steeper.The margin of error on
 this pattern is high.So having a ball that created steeper angles is a plus.
On this pattern,the Primal Scream started to be too much ball after 4 games.
The ball needed to go back in the bag.The Sigma Tour was the ball of choice when
the pattern started to go away.
Overall the Primal Scream was a great ball for the flatter pattern when the lanes
lanes opened up.

42' House Shot/ on 12 year old Anvilanes/Using 4000 OOB surface and polished.

The Primal Scream gets through the heads  easy with a good read of the midlane.
With a very heavy and quick reaction to the friction.When I hung the ball to the right,
it still made it back to the pocket.The ball has excellent recover.As the lanes went
through the transition on the house shot,I needed to keep the shot in front of me
and follow the oil line.This ball is so strong at the back end that I needed to keep
the shot in the oil,and not get it into the oil to early.Getting the ball to the dry too quick
on the house shot caused it to face up too early and leave flat 10's.Keeping the shot
in front of me during the first game helped pin carry.

As the shot transitioned during games 2-3,I could easily move deeper to created
steeper angles.With the steeper angles during the transition the pin carry was
increased.The miss area wasn't so critical.The ball now had extra area to come back
without overreaction.And the hold area left was nice.When the lanes went away,this
ball is too much.It's back in the bag.Unless you have high speed and lower revs.

Polishing the Primal Scream in it's 4000 sanded condition helps create the desired
length and reaction I wanted through the front and midlane,but it created too much
flip at the back end.The back end motion was too strong to play the same part of the
lane to start a session.Now I had to move in 4-6 boards on the approach and 2-4
on the lanes.Starting on 28,hitting 16 out to 9.Compared to 23/12/7.By moving into
the oil allowed me to create better angles,now the pin carry was better during the first game because the ball now faced up later.

As the lanes transitioned over games 2-3,the polished Primal Scream allowed me to
stay with line longer,without force feeding the ball through the heads and midlanes
to my breakpoint.Now the ball really showed it's worth.This helped me trust myself.Knowing that the ball wasn't going to check up too early.
When you are sure of your ball reaction,this helps keep you from making  a lot
of physical and mental mistakes.

The Primal Scream compared to the 2 Cruel
Th 2 Cruel has more overall hook through the entire lane.The Primal Scream is
smoother through the front part of the lane.With more back end at the back of
the pattern than the 2 Cruel.The Primal Scream reacts much quicker to the friction
and has a longer continuation the the 2 Cruel.The 2 Cruel is a better oil ball than
the Primal Scream.But for creating angles and opening up the lane,the Primal Scream is better suited.

     Ratings 1-10           Primal Scream            2 Cruel

    Total Hook                      8                           9
    Length                           5                           4
    Back end                   8.5                         7
    Versatility                    6                            5
    Shelf Appeal                9                            8
    Coverstock                 10                           10
ease of adjustment         

Closing Comments:The Primal Scream is a great oil ball,best suited for longer house shots and longer sport shots.Too much ball for drier house shots and short oil sport shots.The Primal Scream fills the hole  between my Sigma Hybrid and 2 Cruel.This is just the ball I have been waiting for.The back end helps to create angles that previously was missing from my bag.

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Primal Scream - Video Review by
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 11:56:21 AM »

Length:43 ft


Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):
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Best way to see what we did is watch the Video.  It has EVERYTHING you need to check out this ball!


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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 08:20:55 AM »
Now that I have had my Primal Scream for a few weeks and have been able to throw it both well and poorly, I feel I can now post my review.

Layout: 70 x 25 x 3 3/4
Weight 15lb
Pin: 3 - 4
PAP: 5 5/8 right 1/8 up
Revs: 450
Speed: 17 - 18

Hot off the press: The Scream was originally laid out without an axis hole. On a fresh THS, knowing the strength of the ball, I lined up on 30, swung the ball out to 10 and the ball drove right through the pocket. As my arm began to loosen up I was able to fully hit the ball and realized the angularity of the entry was too sharp and constantly leaving corner pins. A P2 hole was added to help mellow the reaction and flatten the entry to the pocket. This allowed fr about a 4 board reaction difference.

League Play: With the Primal Scream I am easily able to play the extreme deep angles away from all the other bowlers that puts me on an island of my own. This is ideal for about a game and a half. After that, there is a burn area created by the other bowlers that once the ball hits it, I have found the Scream to over react.

Likes: The colors of the ball pop. There is not other ball I have seen that has the motion of the Primal Scream. This ball does not stop driving through the pocket. I do like how I am able to adjust my release and the ball still remains as responsive as if I were following through on my normal release. By flattening my release I am able to get the ball further down lane and lengthen the break point.

Dislikes: The ball can be too strong and create too much angle entry to the pocket. I would not recommend throwing this ball on light or short oil patterns.

Recommendations: I would recommend this ball for anyone who is looking to get more length down lane with a late angular response to the pocket.

Overall: I do like throwing this ball a lot. The extreme deep angles are the strength of my game, and this ball allows me to play them with ease.
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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 10:19:00 AM »
Primal Scream

Pin Length: 4 1/4
Starting Top Weight: 2.6
Ball Weight: 15.2

Layout: 65x5x45 P3 hole

Rev Rate: 300
Ball Speed: 17mph
PAP/Track: 4 7/8 & 1 1/4 up
Rotation: 40 - 60
Tilt: 10

Grit: 4000
Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded): Sanded

Length: 41'
Volume: Medium-Heavy
Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

BALL REACTION (1 to 10 Scale) 10 highest/most
Length: 7
Back End: 8
Overall Hook: 8
Midlane Read: 8
Breakpoint Shape: 8


Likes: MOTIV’s newest release “Primal Scream” definitely is an eye catcher! Good color combination of black/green with the orange highlights. The Primal Scream features MOTIV’s newest cover technology the “Whiplash solid reactive” cover. This is a solid reactive cover which differs from the Whiplash hybrid reactive cover on the 2Cruel. I drilled mine up for a THS pattern and got exactly what I was looking for. I found that I had to transition quicker with this ball from the high volume track area due to how strong this ball comes off the friction. I have found though that I can just start inside more and the Primal Scream creates plenty of entry angle for me to get the corners out no matter how deep I go. This has actually allowed me to start on a part of the lane with a lot less traffic therefore allowing me to only have to make minor adjustments throughout the night and eliminating the major mistakes I would see when I fell behind the transition move. Another great piece from MOTIV!!

Dislikes: None

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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 05:29:02 PM »

Length: 41 Feet

Volume: Medium

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The Primal scream is the latest ball from already a wonderful line from Motiv. What can I say other than that I can’t stop throwing this ball while in league and here is why; the Primal scream has a clean motion down the lane and has very predictable ball motion which I like. Also with the Primal Scream it has wicked backend motion once it hits the breakpoint, therefore the pins stand no shot once the Primal scream hits the pocket. The Primal Scream has a new and improved Impulse V2 core which gives that wicked backend and has the Whiplash Solid Reactive shell that we saw on the 2Cruel, though the hybrid version, this core and cover combination is just an awesome set for an awesome ball that you need in your bag. The Primal Scream is recommended for medium to heavy oil conditions and can be thrown in THS leagues.

INNER CORE: Impulse™ V2
COVERSTOCK: Whiplash™ Solid Reactive
FINISH: 4000 Grit Sanded
15# SPECS: RG: 2.55, DIFF: .050


As I said in the review I can’t quit throwing this ball. The Primal Scream is a very clean ball down the lane, has nice predictability and a wicked backend. These combinations are what I love in a bowling ball and I believe any bowler would love this as well. And when the Primal Scream hits the pocket, the pins just don’t stand a chance. From what I have seen, the Primal Scream is a ball that I can use as a high rev player in all three games in league. As lanes breakdown, I can move left, keep my target the same and with the backend that the Impulse V2 core brings, the Primal Scream just gets strong the deeper I go and I haven’t had a ball in my bag for that purpose in a long time.

Likes:Clean ball motion; Very predicitible; Wicked Backend; Crushes the Pocket.


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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 09:23:32 AM »


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This ball is unbelievable! By far my favorite even overtaking my previous favorite The Sigma Tour. Its strong move to the pocket off the back of the pattern makes it a must have for all bowlers.  Dull or Shiny this ball reads the lane with incredible repeatability and makes a consistent move to the pocket and provides that continuous move through the pins that current Motiv user have come to know and love.
Laying out two different balls one pin up and one down provides me with an easy transition from one to the other as the pattern transitions without changing my look or forcing me too make a drastic move. The pin up version provides me with some added length and a strong backend motion while the pin down provide a bit tamer back end but still allows the ball to read mid lane are retain maximum energy as it enters the pocket.
I can honestly say this one is a must have !!! Oh and the black and green colors make it look really cool going down the lane! Now is the time to try MOTIV –Evaluate your needs! Identify that missing piece in your bag and see how this fits! I love it and I think you will too! Never be afraid to try new things because you’ll never know what you might have missed out on!

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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 04:01:22 PM »
The Motiv Primal Scream!!!! Awesome, and fun bowling ball, great looking, and an absolute homerun. I previously witnessed this ball in action before I got the chance to drill it up, and i was impresssed and in love before I even drilled mine up! This ball had amazing hitting power, and awesome continous backend, I saw messengers flying and Pete Weber like angle into the pins, some even left solid 9 pins with some messnegers coming across to get them. So I put it to the test on my own, first thing I noticed was how clean it was through the front part of the lane, and the backend and recovery I received was jaw dropping, it reacted exactly how I had witnessed with other staffers throwing it, this ball out of the box rolled a little earlier, which is expected, but with polish, shot through the fronts with such ease. This ball is one of the best Motiv has ever had to offer, and a ball that can fit in everyone's hands, covering all styles of the game. I suggest you try one for yourself, and see what I mean, you WILL NOT be disappointed!

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Primal Scream
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2012, 06:47:05 PM »
Lane Condition:
   40ft. THS on Brunswick ProLane
   Medium-Heavy Volume

   4 ½” x 4”
   70* x 4 ½” x 40

It is not every day that someone can find a ball that has the ability to cut through heavier oil and retain backend angularity while also being able to glide easily through the heads on medium conditions.  On this day, however, the Motiv Primal Scream is the ball that fits this role.  The newly created Whiplash solid coverstock (finished at 4000 Abralon) gives the ball the bite it needs to grip the lane while the Impulse V2 core (2.55 RG, .050 Diff) pushes the ball through the heads with ease.  This combination allows for a strong, angular motion down lane and devastating power to drive through the pins.  The more I throw my Scream, the more versatility I have discovered.  On the fresh pattern I usually play a straighter line and have watched the ball grab the dry and quickly change direction, giving an impressive angle into the pocket.  As the nights have worn on I have been able to continuously move left without sacrificing any hitting power.  The ball still glides through the heads easily and gives the same strong backend motion as though it still had all of its energy stored up.  On the most dramatic of nights I have moved a total of a 12-7 from start to finish and have not seen any diminished performance.  If you’re looking for a ball that can grip the lane through the oil, and still retain energy for a strong backend jolt, the Motiv Primal Scream is what you are looking for.

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Primal Scream Review
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2012, 10:46:05 AM »
Untamed Agression! The tagline for the Primal Scream does not disappoint. The Primal Scream features the Impulse core found in the Primal Impulse, however with a slight different density. The modified Impulse core (Impulse V2) wrapped on a solid version of the Whiplash cover (found on the 2cruel) creates the most angular ball to date from MOTIV bowling. Plus the green, black, and orange neo marks look awfully sweet!

I have drilled two Primal Screams so far. The first one was drilled 60 x 5” x 40, with a weight hole needed on P2. This ball is great for me with additional surface (1000) or with polish. This ball takes surface changes exceptionally and with polish allows me to play much steeper angles than anything else in the product line. The second Primal Scream is drilled 50 x 5.5” x 60 and this ball gives me more mid-lane, a smoother transition down lane, and a ton of strikes! I like to leave this one out of box as 4000 grit abralon is not dull, nor shiny. This Primal Scream is always in my bag.

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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 04:10:55 PM »
Bowler Stats-Ball Speed 15.5 MPH Rev Rate-App 280 Axis of

Rotation-30 to 60 degrees Axis Tilt 9 degrees Right Handed

PAP-5 over, 1/4" up

The Motiv Primal Scream is designed for medium to heavy oil

patterns according to Motiv. The ball is as advertised It

pushes through the heads on fresh shots as well as when the

heads get thin.  The ball revs up very late in the mid lanes

and make a strong short transition move at the end of the

pattern.  The core/cover combo requires me to move deeper

because of the angularity of the move.  I am normally somone

who keeps the ball in front of me so this took me out of my

comfort zone.  But, it worked as I understood it would.  It

slides in oil and reads the friction quickly.  The Core of

the Ball, the V2 Impluse, revs late in the lanes and creates

a lot of flair. I have to have friction right, but those who

are not as rev/speed challenged as this old man may be able

to use in on heavier volumes and lengths.  If I tug the ball

into the soup the ball skates.  I had to do a good amount of

adjusments with both drilling and surface prep, but once I

found my matchup, it definetly becomes a tournament ball for

me.  I think it will be a great match up for me later in long

format tournaments on The Primal Scream lets me know when to

put it away as it will start leaving weak 10's and 7's on

hits that look good, as well as getting into an area of


If you use this ball as designed, that is on medium oil

patterns of volume or length as a skid/snap reaction, it will

be a very effective ball. To throw it on a burnt conditions

will require a healthy polish but the higher RG should make

it easier to get down the lane.   With the Primal Scream

Motiv has a piece of equipment to give a ball reaction that

is disappearing from the marketplace and did not occur at all

in the Motiv line. 

I'm very colorblind but the Neomark Graphic makes the ball

very pleasing to the eye and give it good shelf appeal.

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Re: Primal Scream
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2012, 08:16:26 AM »
The Motiv Primal Scream is an excellent ball and a lot of fun to watch roll down the lane and crush the pins. This is one of my favorites. It easily gets through the heads which is especially beneficial on wood lanes and then makes a very defined turn at the breakpoint. This ball carries the corners so I find myself shooting at less 10 pins.

I have used this ball on various conditions from a medium oil pattern at 38 foot and a heavy oil pattern at 45 foot and on both wood and synthetic surfaces.

I am right handed and throw the ball at 17mph. The ball is drilled 60x50x4 with a P2 hole and was left at the factory finish. I use the Motiv Power Gel Scuff to keep the ball clean and ready to react at all times.

Not only have I had great success with this ball but my customers have also. I have drilled this ball for various styles of bowlers. I have bowlers shooting their first 300 games and others that have never bowled a 700 series and now have bowled 3 of them within a month.

If you want a ball with a superb back end reaction then this is a great choice. Thank you Motiv for another excellent ball to add to my arsenal.

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MOTIV Primal Scream Review
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 04:34:54 PM »
INNER CORE: Impulse V2
COVERSTOCK: Whiplash Solid Reactive
FINISH: 4000 Grit Sanded
WEIGHTS: 16 15 14 13 12
RG RATING: 2.54 2.55 2.56 2.60 2.67
RG DIFFERENTIAL: .049 .050 .054 .055 .040     
The Primal Scream is built to be very clean down the lane with a vicious backend motion on medium to heavy oil.  It features the dual-density Impulse V2 core, which has been newly engineered to provide a 2.55 RG and .050 differential.  This symmetric core provides the perfect amount of length so the Whiplash Solid Reactive shell can unleash on the backend.  The Primal Scream delivers outstanding entry angle and bull-dozing continuation through the pins.
I drilled my Motiv Primal Scream 65 X 4 1/2 X 45 and kept it at box surface which is 4000.  I have to honestly say this thing is a backend monster!!! I really like to use this ball when the lanes break down from fresh and I am forced to move left and open my angles up.  The angles I can create with Primal Scream is absolutely amazing.  This best part about moving left with the Primal Scream is that I never sacrifice carry!  This ball has become my new favorite "IN" ball so to speak.  It compliments the other recent backend monster by MOTIV in the 2 Cruel.  The main difference is that the 2 cruel is stronger overall.  My 2 cruel  picks up a bit sooner but then makes a strong backend motion towards and thru the pins.  The Primal Scream is definitely more angular than the 2 cruel, it gets great length and then makes an angular "check mark" type move towards the pins.  You will never see a ball with a solid coverstock be as angular as the MOTIV Primal Scream.  That is a fact.  Don't waste anymore time and Get MOTIVated!!!!! Check my ball reaction video to see how it rolls!!!

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