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Villain
« on: March 07, 2018, 05:22:19 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
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The Motiv Villain bowling ball brings back the Sinister core with high RG and lots of differential. This ball introduces the versatile Coercion MFS Reactive cover which is finished with a 3000 grit LSS finish. These features combine to create a ball that offers easier length as well as great power and continuation down lane. This ball is ideal on medium-heavy lane conditions for variety of bowling styles.

Color: Black/Blue Solid
Core: Sinister
Coverstock: Coercion MFS Reactive
Finish: 3000 Grit LSS
Reaction: Impressive power and continuation down lane
RG: 2.54**
Differential: 0.051**
** RG and Diff are based off of 15 lb. balls
Recommended Lane Condition: Medium to Heavy Oil

 

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Re: Villain
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2018, 02:58:45 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: 41'

Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS


COMMENTS

The Villain is the latest addition to the Motiv lineup. It features the Sinister core that has been used on the Cruel line and it is wrapped in the Coercion MFS Solid coverstock, being best suited for medium and heavy oil conditions.

I had the chance to test the Villain on our House Shot pattern (Kegel Main Street, 41’) and I had a great reaction with this ball.

The first thing I noticed is how clean this ball is for having a solid, sanded coverstock. The Villain is clean through the front part of the lane with a smooth and continuous motion in the backend. For me, the Villain has a “benchmark ball” shape. Not overly smooth, while not angular either.

The higher RG on this ball allows it to be cleaner than other solid asymmetrical pieces, while the Coercion MFS Solid coverstock provides hook in the oil resulting in a strong midlane read and a strong, but controllable motion downlane.

The second thing I noticed with the Villain is how versatile this ball is. I was able to hit the pocket from different parts of the lane. I started laying out the ball around second arrow and having the 6 board as my breakpoint. The Villain had no issues clearing the fronts and delivered a smooth transition down the lane. I felt that I had a great margin of error with the Villain on this pattern. As you can see in the video, I was able to move inside and play in the oil a little bit more and the Villain created enough hook to hit the pocket.

The Villain blends the pattern quite nicely, is not jumpy when it hits the friction and is not too clean to miss the breakpoint in case you miss inside your mark.

I compared the Villain with the Jackal Rising and the Forza SS.

The Jackal Rising is stronger than the Villain. The Rising provides a strong midlane read, is earlier and smoother downlane. Overall, it has more hook potential.

The Forza SS has a similar motion, but it is earlier and has a slower response to friction than the Villain. The Forza SS is weaker than the Villain.

The Villain fits in between the Jackal Rising and the Forza SS in overall hook. When the Jackal Rising is too much ball or the Forza SS is not enough or you need more shape downlane, the Villain will be the ball to go.

Overall, The Villain is a versatile piece that will fit into a lot of different bowling styles and it can be used to play on different parts of the lane. Whether you want to play straighter angles on fresh or move in when the lane transition, this ball offers great versatility to be used on a wide variety of conditions. I feel that the Villain is a great option to use on everything but the extremes.

The Villain offers a clean, smooth and continuous motion on most medium and heavy oil patterns. Bowlers who want control at the breakpoint while keeping some shape down the lane, the Villain will be a great option. I feel this is the kind of ball that will always find a spot in your bag.

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Re: Villain
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 09:06:09 PM »
Bowler:
Speed: 17-18
Weight: 15
Hand: Left
Rev Rate: 375-400
pap: 5 over 3/16 up

Weight Block: Sinister
Coverstock: Coercion™ MFS Reactive
Finish: 3000 grit lss
Rg: 2.54
Diff: .051

OOOOOOO man! Motiv has outdone themselves with this one! The new Villain has me beyond excited! This is without a doubt the most versatile ball in my arsenal, but also provides a really nice go to ball after my Jackal Rising. When the front of the lane starts to go away and my Jackal Rising becomes a little bit too much ball, I am able to ball down to my Villain while staying in the same part of the lane.
The really nice thing about the Villain is it's versatility.  The Coercion coverstock is really one of the most versatile coverstocks I have seen in quite sometime. Out of box this ball is very clean and loves to hook when it sees the friction, or if I need to I can sand it down to 1000 and allow it to blend out the pattern while still exploding through the pins! I must say it is quite nice to roll an asymmetrical ball and not have to worry about if it stores energy or not when I need to make the move inside.
It doesn't matter if you're a low rev-high speed player, high rev- low speed, or a tweener like myself this Villain is the ball for you!
 To say I'm excited would be an understatement!
Here's to a ton of strikes!

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Villain
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 06:53:33 PM »
Motiv has hit a homer with this one. The new Villain is a nasty addition to my bowling bag. it provides great length with a plenty of back end action. I can see the Villain being my benchmark ball,

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Re: Villain
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2018, 11:03:26 PM »
LANE CONDITION

Length: standard house

Volume:medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):house


COMMENTS

Likes: everything

Dislikes:


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This ball is simply amazing, it a definite first option. The sinister coal provides a dominate angle and roll through the pins. Motiv I love it
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Something Sinister Has Come
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 04:03:22 PM »
Layout:
   90 x 4” x 35

   Something Sinister truly has come with the new black and blue Villain. For the first time in MOTIV history, a high performance asymmetric core is being released at a lower than high performance price point. The historic Sinister core (2.54RG, .051Diff, .018IntDiff), found in previous high end equipment such as the Cruel Intent and 2 Cruel, has been wrapped in the brand new Coercion MFS Reactive cover (3000LSS) to create a ball that can get down the lane and release a strong backend motion while still having teeth in medium to heavy oil. I laid mine out in a manner that would allow the core to tumble a bit further down the lane before really taking hold but would allow the cover to still read the midlane strongly; that is exactly what I received. The higher RG allows the Villain to get through the heads relatively easy, allowing projection in a manner that is a bit labored in the Jackal line. The midlane is pronounced but not overbearing, giving some forgiveness if projected into the dry a bit quickly but being solid enough to read when tugged into the soup. Once the ball gets to the dry of the backend I see a strong, but not snappy, motion to the pocket with devastating continuation through the rack. So far the best reactions I get from the Villain range from the fresh patter with straighter angles to crossing around third arrow swinging it out to a breakpoint around five board. By this latter point, usually in game two, the ball will still come back but I can tell it is starting to work a bit harder so my next move is usually to ball down into my Lethal Paranoia and keep moving left or scoot back right with the Venom Shock Pearl. If you need teeth for oil, but also want something that can go deeper in the day than your traditional ‘heavy oil’ buster, consider the Villain, it is a great combination of both worlds.

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Re: Villain
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2018, 07:28:06 AM »
2 testers - 2 patterns

http://tamerbowling.com/motiv-villain-bowling-ball-review/

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We test a lot of balls and while every manufacturer touts the latest and greatest, I keep looking for that ball they claim as a benchmark and how will it hold up. The Motiv Villain looks like it fills that slot. I actually think Motiv might be undercutting itself by putting it fully in the left side of their ball guide.
Given the 4 lines they now have, this is at least 1 over from where it is now, especially considering where the Havoc and Venom Shock sit. This means that more bowlers will like this. It is smooth and controllable but misses out don’t completely die. For a benchmark, I look for a ball that is 2/3rds. Meaning the transition happens about 2/3rds down the lane. It starts to transition just before the breakpoint and is smoothly but booming exiting the pattern. This way you don’t fully rely on dry boards to see motion (skid/flip) or ball roll (early roll out).
OK, this is all very technical but that’s what makes this a proper benchmark. We like it.
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Re: Villain
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 04:39:12 PM »
Ball Specs and Layout:
Sinister Core
Coercion MFS Reactive Coverstock
000 Grit LSS
50 x 4.5 x 50

Bowler Stats:
Rev Rate – 425
Ball Speed – 16.5 mph (down-lane)
PAP – 3 ½ over, ¾ up
Right-handed

Test Environment:
Fresh 42’ THS

Review:
I compared the new Villain to my Trident Quest and Forza SS. My idea behind the drilling was to hopefully replicate a similar reaction with my Forza SS but to have a little more maneuverability with it, i.e. a slightly earlier roll, or alter the surface and polish it to create a little quicker response downlane with the asymmetric core. What caught my attention was how well the Villain was able to store energy with its box surface. The backend shape was so clean that it works very well early and can be a set-up to my Trident Quest for when the Villain is losing energy in the midlane.

Likes:
Very smooth reaction
Versatile Coverstock

Dislikes:
None

Summary:
The new Villain is going to hurt some people’s feelings, as in the person not throwing it. The potential is already there for what this ball can do. It was a little reminiscent for me of the original Covert Revolt, but a little bit more. The Villain’s coverstock screams versatility – after playing around with it (polished, sanded, box surface), the performance it packs is highly impressive. Dollar-for-dollar, this is definitely the best value any bowler can get on any bowling ball.

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Re: Villain
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2018, 08:57:04 AM »
Review:

The Villain is the latest release from MOTIV Bowling that has brought a return to the MOTIV line fans have not seen in few years. The Sinister core was a favorite of MOTIV fans and having it back should make you happy once again. Pairing the Sinister core with the Coercion MFS solid cover stock, this asymmetrical bad boy gives the Villain incredible versatility on the lane that you won’t see in most bowling balls. With good length, smooth reaction, and continuation through the pins, the Villain is a must in all bags.

WEIGHT BLOCK       Sinister
COVER STOCK         Coercion MFS Reactive
FINISH                    300 Grit LSS

Comments:

Back in 2012 when I first signed with MOTIV, one the first bowling balls I fell in love with was the 2Cruel. Loved the shape and versatility it game me on the lanes and had a lot of success with. When it was announced that MOTIV was coming back with the Sinister core, I couldn’t wait to get this rock n the drill press and out some holes in it. Soon as I threw my first few shots, it brought a tear to my eyeing and remembering the good times I had with that 2Cruel so long ago. What I love about the Villain is the versatility. I can play multiple angles on any lane condition and still have the confidence to strike. Medium to higher rev players will love the piece especially for that and lower rev players as well because you can start with straighter angels and as you move, you won’t give the pocket away and have the confidence to strike at will.

Likes: Good length; retainable energy; most versatile bowling ball I’ve ever thrown.
Dislikes: None

I recommended this bowling ball to all types of bowlers.

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Re: Villain
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 06:49:08 PM »
Color: Solid Black/Blue

Coverstock: Coercion MFS Reactive

Core Type: Asymmetric

Weight Block: Sinister

Factory Finish: 3000 Grit LSS

Flare Potential: High

Radius of Gyration (RG): 2.54

Differential (Diff): 0.051

Intermediate Differential (Diff): 0.018

 

You either bowl as a hero or you bowl long enough to see yourself bowl as a villain.” ― K.White II

 

Cruelty and Villainy go hand in hand with one another so it makes perfect sense that the Sinister core that was featured in the Cruel Intent has made it’s glorious return to be featured in the Villain, surrounding the Sinister core is new Coercion MFS Reactive cover which is designed for medium-heavy patterns.

 

The 3000 Grit LSS finish provides an unwavering footprint while also allowing the Villain to retain enough energy to display exceptional continuation. Smooth. Clean. Continuous.  These are the words that came to my mind upon throwing the Villain for the first time.

As I was throwing it and watching the ball motion I kept in mind that the Villain series is replacing the Revolt Series, my favorite series.  The Coercion MFS Solid cover will provide you with a benchmark ball motion as I consider it to be well balanced in mid lane presence and has controllable behavior down lane.

The versatility of the Villain is also rather impressive, as the condition faded the Villain was this able to clear but its mid lane presence became stronger which allowed me to increase my ball speed to take advantage of the hook and stop motion. A ball motion I favor.

 

 

Comparisons

 

Jackal Rising: The Jackal Rising is stronger than the Villain in terms of mid lane muscle. The Rising provides a stronger and earlier ball motion and possess more hook overall.  I would use the Rising instead of the Villain when I encounter longer and heavier oil patterns, doing so would allow the user to carve a desired path opening the lane for ball down purposes.

Forza SS: The Forza SS is earlier than the Villain and has a slower response upon encountering friction than the Villain. In its natural state the SS is early and commands oil because of the amount of teeth the cover possesses, the roll is continuously heavy which I found ideal for when I encountered over/under conditions as the SS would roll right through it. Compared to the Villain In terms of overall strength though the Villain is stronger than the Forza SS.

 

 

I loved the Revolt series and I have fallen in love with the Villain and how it offers a clean continuation on medium-med heavy oil patterns. Those that have an interest in controlling the breakpoint while keeping some shape down the lane, the Villain is a flawless option and is definitely worth looking at.


The only thing better than being a Villain is bowling with one.

Your game will thank you for it.

 

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Re: Villain
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2018, 02:13:03 PM »
Villain
Core Type: Asymmetric
Factory Finish: 3000 Grit LSS
Radius of Gyration (RG): 2.54 (15lb.)
Differential (DIFF): .051 (15lb.)
Core: Sinister
Coverstock: Coercion MFS Reactive

My Stats:
PAP: 5.125 Over, 1.125 Up
Surface: 3000
Layouts: 60x4.5x35 and 55x6x40

Ball Reaction Video: https://youtu.be/KPZGnzk5XR8

The new Motiv Villain is something completely different than anything I've thrown before. Extremely strong, extremely versatile, and extremely deadly, I'm starting to think this ball could *possibly* be better than the Shock.

I find the Villain with the 4.5 inch pin to be too strong for most of the house shots I bowl on, but I had a chance to throw it on a pretty high volume flatter pattern and it looked incredible. It gave me so much miss room and drove through the pins extremely hard. I drilled the Villain with the 6 inch pin later, after finding that the first was too strong to use in league after the first game a lot of the time, and saw a huge difference immediately. The flare rings were tighter, the ball was sharper, and it drove just as hard as the stronger Villain did on the higher volume shot. The ball falls right in between the Jackal Rising and the Forza SS in hook potential, but is quicker off the spot than both.

If you’re looking for a stronger ball that you can throw on a lot of medium-high volume stuff, I’d pick one of these up pronto.


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This Villain Sneaks Through The Pins In a Blink!
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2018, 10:45:29 AM »
My favorite Motiv Ball thus far? If I didn't like them all, this one felt like a must have out of the box!

I can throw it on Fresh Flat, Fresh House Shot, Long Patterns, Medium Patterns, Burned House Shots, U.S. Open, you name it!

I liked this ball so much that I have cleaned it many times more than any other equipment in my arsenal! It's just sick the reactions I can generate with this ball. Just like with the Trident Quest, I can throw it with different track angles depending on the how the lanes play.

This is a MUST HAVE in my bag wherever I bowl.
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