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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: Gizmo823 on July 10, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
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On the Motiv website, all the balls have had their box surface finish changed to a laser scan value.
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Interesting... They have changed all of the surface descriptions of their current line up. So the originally listed surface on the primal rage was listed as 1500 with power gel polish and now the website lists the actually surface as 5000 grit laser scan polish. So are they now changing the surface of the primal rage from 1500 with power gel polish to 5000 grit laser scan polish or are they saying the surface that was on the primal rage that was thought to be 1500 grit with power gel polish is actually 5000 grit laser scan polish now that they have started using the laser scanner to get the actual surface of their equipment?
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It would be nice if they could put the ACTUAL laser scan surface of the ball on the box. Not the intended surface.
This is my only beef with Motiv, I have had two of the exact same ball with very different surfaces out of the box.
And before the usual "know-it-alls" jump in, yes, I am aware that I can resurface a new ball before throwing it. :P
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It would be nice if they could put the ACTUAL laser scan surface of the ball on the box. Not the intended surface.
This is my only beef with Motiv, I have had two of the exact same ball with very different surfaces out of the box.
And before the usual "know-it-alls" jump in, yes, I am aware that I can resurface a new ball before throwing it. :P
I have to agree. I received a Primal Rage prior to release that I could shave off of, the batch I ordered after release date looked like they were hit with abralon and zero polish.
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When you get a ball you don't know if it is the first ball using a set of pads or the last. This is nothing unique to Motiv.
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I think the new method is better. The surface is 1500 underneath the polish. However; once the polish is added, it brings the surface to 5000. Seeing 5000 makes it easier to make correct adjustments to the surface if needed. If you see 1500 with polish, then there is no way to really determine if going to 4000 abralon with no polish is going to make that much difference.
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When you get a ball you don't know if it is the first ball using a set of pads or the last. This is nothing unique to Motiv.
I agree that it's probably not unique to Motiv, it has been more noticeable to me with their balls as I use more of their equipment than other brands.
And since it's not unique to them, an actual surface scan of the ball you receive could be a big selling point. But it may be cost prohibitive.
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Putting actual surface scan results on the box would be a logistic nightmare for distributors as it would just give shops another spec to request.
I would seriously doubt they will scan every ball. Maybe one now and then for quality control, but I wouldn't expect more than that.
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Putting actual surface scan results on the box would be a logistic nightmare for distributors as it would just give shops another spec to request.
I would seriously doubt they will scan every ball. Maybe one now and then for quality control, but I wouldn't expect more than that.
As someone who writes database driven business software for a living, this would be an easy problem to solve. There might be a small per unit cost increase but there is a solution.
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"Surface didn't change. Just listing what it actually is rather than the finishing process.
For example, a 4000 pad is much rougher than the finish it puts on a ball. By using a 4000 pad you will likely end up with a ball that has a 5000 grit rating.
The grit on the back of the pad is the grit rating for that pad...not the grit rating of what it puts on the ball.
The pad and the ball will never be the same grit.
Before it was the process...now it is the grit rating. Completely different ways of saying the same thing."
-Brett Spangler wrote this on Facebook
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Hey Gizmo, do you rememberthe debate a few months ago about "new cores" and Storm? Well, Motiv is doing a marketing ploy on surface. Nothing more going on here. I have the sheet that tells me exactly how to put 1500 with Polish on a Storm ball. It's simple enough to replicate. It just seems Motiv is marketing a "simpler" way.
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It may just be "marketing", but when you need a laser scanner to give you the surface finish down to the micron, things have gotten ridiculous.
And, when you have to time your polishing time with a stopwatch, while also monitoring the application pressure in inch/lbs, and the rotational speed in RPS, you end up with something that is beyond human capabilities to repeat anyway. Hell, they can't even reproduce it at the manufacturer level consistently, due to wear of the pads being used from ball to ball.
Now they're going to start putting a laser scanned surface finish on the box as the "official" surface finish? That's ridiculous, and they are just asking for trouble by creating a system that is totally un reproducible, even by them.
What good is it to put a surface on the ball that is un replicable?
Better to just take it out of the box and put your own surface on it to start with. At least then, you would be able to know how to get that surface back.