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milorafferty

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Forge Fire ?
« on: September 13, 2019, 04:01:26 PM »
Three reviews read so far and all three claim "benchmark" status for this ball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Motiv just release a "benchmark" ball in the Rogue Assassin?


BTW, Love the Assassin!  ;D
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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2019, 11:10:50 PM »
Three reviews read so far and all three claim "benchmark" status for this ball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Motiv just release a "benchmark" ball in the Rogue Assassin?


BTW, Love the Assassin!  ;D

Milo, for me the Forge Fire is a benchmark ball for medium and heavy oil conditions. The Fire is not too early, is not overly clean, it provides a strong midlane read without being too smooth and it also provides a strong shape downlane without being too angular. It is a ball that will help you read the lanes and thatís why Iíve called a benchmark ball.

 The Rogue Assassin, which is another ball that can be considered "benchmark" is a great ball to build your arsenal around. It is exactly in the middle of the chart and I feel is it can be used as a benchmark ball depending on your style and the pattern you are bowling on. Overall, the Assassin is weaker and smoother than the Fire.

I know youíll try the Forge Fire soon, and I am sure you are going to agree with me. Ball is really good.
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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2019, 11:39:37 PM »
Thanks Angel. I wasn't critical of your review, just curious about what Motiv decided to release.
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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2019, 04:04:09 PM »
Thanks Angel. I wasn't critical of your review, just curious about what Motiv decided to release.

I know! I just wanted to make my point clear... English is not my first language so sometimes I have a hard time trying to explain myself LOL  ;D

I used the Fire yesterday on a heavier volume house shot and I had to square up a little compared to the review and the ball worked even better... Reminds me a bit of the Revolt Vengeance with more pop downlane...
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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2019, 12:35:39 AM »
Thanks Angel. I wasn't critical of your review, just curious about what Motiv decided to release.

I know! I just wanted to make my point clear... English is not my first language so sometimes I have a hard time trying to explain myself LOL  ;D

I used the Fire yesterday on a heavier volume house shot and I had to square up a little compared to the review and the ball worked even better... Reminds me a bit of the Revolt Vengeance with more pop downlane...

Ah Revolt Vengeance was a good ball for me.
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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2019, 04:00:26 PM »
The videos I've seen on the Fire look pretty good. Original is nice too. Motiv has a good core in the Detonator.

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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2019, 07:59:18 AM »
I am a Motiv guy, but they have had issues in the past with having a small gap between their "early roll" ball to their "skid/snap" ball.  This made every ball they made be perceived as benchmark by someone.

I also fell some bowler's idea of benchmark is skewed depending on their conditions.  In theory, I feel the manufacturer is the one who should dictate the benchmark ball.  To me that is the ball you can determine the shot from and make a decision up or down (or shape) from there.  Right smack in the middle.  Could be a different strength/shape depending on manufacturer.

Too many times bowlers will claim some huge asymmetrical as their benchmark but won't have anything to move to if it isn't enough or won't know how far down the lineup they need to go if it is too much.

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After some thought, I feel maybe my theory may not be correct.  I am guessing some bowlers will never use the extreme options for their style or conditions they see.  In that environment, the benchmark could be the ball that is in the middle of their arsenal and provides an idea of what they need to do based on the balls they have available to them.  For some that could be the Forge Fire while for others it may be a Venom Shock.
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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2019, 09:02:44 AM »
Thanks Angel. I wasn't critical of your review, just curious about what Motiv decided to release.

I know! I just wanted to make my point clear... English is not my first language so sometimes I have a hard time trying to explain myself LOL  ;D

I used the Fire yesterday on a heavier volume house shot and I had to square up a little compared to the review and the ball worked even better... Reminds me a bit of the Revolt Vengeance with more pop downlane...

Ah Revolt Vengeance was a good ball for me.

Love my Vengeance! Been waiting patiently for them to come out with something to replace it and this looks perfect. I haven't been this excited for a ball release in a long time. Can't wait for mine to get here!

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Re: Forge Fire ?
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2019, 04:08:45 PM »
I am a Motiv guy, but they have had issues in the past with having a small gap between their "early roll" ball to their "skid/snap" ball.  This made every ball they made be perceived as benchmark by someone.

I also fell some bowler's idea of benchmark is skewed depending on their conditions.  In theory, I feel the manufacturer is the one who should dictate the benchmark ball.  To me that is the ball you can determine the shot from and make a decision up or down (or shape) from there.  Right smack in the middle.  Could be a different strength/shape depending on manufacturer.

Too many times bowlers will claim some huge asymmetrical as their benchmark but won't have anything to move to if it isn't enough or won't know how far down the lineup they need to go if it is too much.

Edit:

After some thought, I feel maybe my theory may not be correct.  I am guessing some bowlers will never use the extreme options for their style or conditions they see.  In that environment, the benchmark could be the ball that is in the middle of their arsenal and provides an idea of what they need to do based on the balls they have available to them.  For some that could be the Forge Fire while for others it may be a Venom Shock.

I think the observation has good objective input. My biggest concern for most brands when I find a good fit is the industries continued push to get stronger with every new release, essentially shifting the Motiv graph right getting more angular. The benchmark balls seem plentiful but that's the heart of the market.

My first Motiv was the Venom strike followed by the Sigma Tour then Forza. Rolly beasts that control very wet/dry house shots for me, loved them. Since then those shapes are pretty much gone. The Forge has the smoothness of the original Forza with more overall area.

On the flip side I enjoyed the Graffiti Tag, Venom Panic, and now VSP. The middle ground feels lacking in hook phase feel. Details aside, looking forward to the Forge Fire to bridge the gap!
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