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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: bowlerpro824 on May 17, 2016, 12:00:28 AM
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Has anyone heard of this ball. It is blue with a yellow label. If so, where can I get one?
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I'm told it is a US release, probably introduced at Bowl Expo. If so, release date should be late July, early August.
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Where was this ball seen? It's not on the USBC approved ball list. Sure hope your right in it being a US release. Love the Forza line.
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It's interesting that they're going with a blue ball/yellow label color scheme so soon after the Octane Burn was released.
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Here's a pic from Motiv's Facebook page.
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Here's a pic from Motiv's Facebook page.
Oooh, dat's niiicccceee!
Yep, I'll be having one.
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I love the original Forza!!!! Not a fan of the yellow Forza. Do not get to use it much.
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I love the original Forza!!!! Not a fan of the yellow Forza. Do not get to use it much.
Agreed, I had high hopes for the Redline, but it just never really worked well for me.
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It's hard to tell from pictures sometimes but that looks like a polished solid. Might be a better fit to fill the role that the Redline was supposed to.
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Looks like polished hybrid. Would make sense. That would be a nice benchmark if so. Quicker than the Forza but not as erratic as the redline.
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I wouldn't rely on the coverstock material as the defacto definition of the ball reaction. Motiv has had earlier rolling "pearls" and skid/flip solids.
Terminology like solid/pearl/hybrid unfortunately pigeonhole reaction shapes in bowler's minds when in reality it shouldn't. I personally trust Motiv's determination of fit of each ball in the lineup and somewhat ignore coverstock type. It is just marketing.
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I wouldn't rely on the coverstock material as the defacto definition of the ball reaction. Motiv has had earlier rolling "pearls" and skid/flip solids.
Terminology like solid/pearl/hybrid unfortunately pigeonhole reaction shapes in bowler's minds when in reality it shouldn't. I personally trust Motiv's determination of fit of each ball in the lineup and somewhat ignore coverstock type. It is just marketing.
Exactly right. I polished my Forza and it turned the corner very hard. And the Tag is a skid/flip ball with a solid cover.
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I wouldn't rely on the coverstock material as the defacto definition of the ball reaction. Motiv has had earlier rolling "pearls" and skid/flip solids.
Terminology like solid/pearl/hybrid unfortunately pigeonhole reaction shapes in bowler's minds when in reality it shouldn't. I personally trust Motiv's determination of fit of each ball in the lineup and somewhat ignore coverstock type. It is just marketing.
the point I was making was it should fit in between the 2 current Forza's. I was saying what the cover stock "looked" like, not what it is. They have a hole in the lineup that the Sting left. The Paranoia for me is stronger and the Redline too long and strong compared to the Sting. I'd like to see that medium rolly ball that really fits in every arsenal.
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I agree that we can't set store by solid, pearl, or hybrid. We have even had Newguy, (Phil from radical I think) come right out and say that they can make a solid react that a stereotypical pearl just based on the additives. With that being said, however, I still think we can cautiously set store by those three labels, as long as we also look at the factory finish. The ball manufacturers know bowlers look at solid, pearl, and hybrid and buy based on the stereotypical reactions, so they will tend to make an early and smooth ball a solid because that is what bowlers know. As far as a ball like the tag being skid-flip, it also 5500 LSP, which is why we need to focus more on the factory surface. I'm guessing the tag is a solid for aesthetic reasons. I don't know that I have ever seen an all black pearl ball
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I agree that we can't set store by solid, pearl, or hybrid. We have even had Newguy, (Phil from radical I think) come right out and say that they can make a solid react that a stereotypical pearl just based on the additives. With that being said, however, I still think we can cautiously set store by those three labels, as long as we also look at the factory finish. The ball manufacturers know bowlers look at solid, pearl, and hybrid and buy based on the stereotypical reactions, so they will tend to make an early and smooth ball a solid because that is what bowlers know. As far as a ball like the tag being skid-flip, it also 5500 LSP, which is why we need to focus more on the factory surface. I'm guessing the tag is a solid for aesthetic reasons. I don't know that I have ever seen an all black pearl ball
Legends Black Pearl and Black Pearl Reactive. Two of the most beautiful balls I have EVER seen.
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I stand corrected
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Also, Black Eagle Pearl.
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My understanding is the pearl-look we see on so many balls is cosmetic only. The pearl additive used for reaction has no affect on the aesthetics of the ball.
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Looks like polished hybrid. Would make sense. That would be a nice benchmark if so. Quicker than the Forza but not as erratic as the redline.
Yeah, now that I look closer at the darker blue it does look like a pearl coloring. So it should be a hybrid coverstock.
I completely agree with the notion that you can't/shouldn't judge a ball reaction based on the type of it's cover and most of it is marketing (at least the aesthetics). But like lilpossum1 said companies know how people tend to make stereotypes about bowling balls and they're most likely going to play up to them just to keep things simpler for the customer.
This should replace the Redline in the current lineup regardless though. Seeing what the Paranoia can do I can't imagine that would be shifted over to the middle ball like the Burn was. If it's polished the original Forza isn't going to be moved from the first spot either.
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I wouldn't rely on the coverstock material as the defacto definition of the ball reaction. Motiv has had earlier rolling "pearls" and skid/flip solids.
Terminology like solid/pearl/hybrid unfortunately pigeonhole reaction shapes in bowler's minds when in reality it shouldn't. I personally trust Motiv's determination of fit of each ball in the lineup and somewhat ignore coverstock type. It is just marketing.
the point I was making was it should fit in between the 2 current Forza's. I was saying what the cover stock "looked" like, not what it is. They have a hole in the lineup that the Sting left. The Paranoia for me is stronger and the Redline too long and strong compared to the Sting. I'd like to see that medium rolly ball that really fits in every arsenal.
Yes, I would like to see something not quite as early as the original Forza, but not skid/flip. So a hybrid or polished solid with a lower RG core is what I would be looking for.
PS - if this next one is blue, who's betting that the Jackal LE will be some sort of red swirl color - how about red with orange?
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The shock is my current go to ball. But sometimes it gets angular.
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I have an OG Forza sitting in my garage waiting to be drilled. Always liked the look of it in Ronnie Russell's hands on the telecasts.
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I just got back into bowling this year after being gone for a few years and picked up a Venom Shock. I think I may look at adding other Motiv stuff to my line up. I may have to look at this.
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I really love my ORG Forza!