win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list  (Read 50935 times)

LyalC52

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 242
Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« on: March 15, 2016, 02:20:42 PM »
USBC's FB page is reporting the Jackal and Carnage have been removed from the approved equipment list. I've been trying to get onto Bowl.com to read the article, but their site is down.

Anyone know why?
Beyond Revs Pro Shop -- Staffer
West Valley and Riverton, Utah

 

J_w73

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2540
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2016, 02:23:56 PM »
Has the USBC ever done this after approving a ball?  I don't see any details as to what specs it doesn't comply with.

"USBC has revoked approval of two Motiv brand bowling balls and removed them from the list of balls approved for competition effective today, March 15, 2016. USBC determined the Jackal and Jackal Carnage balls do not comply with current specifications and requirements in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual."


http://www.bowl.com/News/NewsDetails.aspx?id=23622326199

https://www.facebook.com/usbc
« Last Edit: March 15, 2016, 02:38:10 PM by J_w73 »
375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

LyalC52

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 242
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2016, 02:29:55 PM »
ARLINGTON, Texas – The United States Bowling Congress has revoked approval of two Motiv brand bowling balls and removed them from the list of balls approved for competition effective today, March 15, 2016. The revocation comes after USBC determined that the Jackal and Jackal Carnage balls do not comply with current specifications and requirements in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual.

USBC testing showed a significant percentage of the Jackal and Jackal Carnage, both produced by Motiv, exceeded the maximum 0.060" differential radius of gyration standard specification during spot checks of bowling balls in the field. Both balls were originally approved based on test balls submitted by Motiv. The Jackal had been approved for competition in Sept. 2014 while the Jackal Carnage was approved for use in late Dec. 2015.

The following section of the Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual details USBC governance in this situation:

The USBC possesses the right to spot check bowling balls during the course of the year. USBC approval may be revoked if it is determined that the production balls are significantly different than the submitted test balls or do not comply with current specifications and requirements outlined in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual.

Pursuant to the penalties outlined in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certification Manual, Motiv is placed on probationary status with USBC for one year, and subject to a fine of $16,000.

Unapproved bowling balls may not be used in USBC certified competition. Bowlers who used the Jackal or Jackal Carnage in competition on or before March 15, 2016 with no prior knowledge of their ball being out of specification would not be subject to forfeiture under USBC rules.

Go to www.BOWL.com/EquipAndSpecs to learn more about the USBC’s equipment specifications.
Beyond Revs Pro Shop -- Staffer
West Valley and Riverton, Utah

WOWZERS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 599
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2016, 02:53:33 PM »
I am awaiting Motiv's response.

bradl

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1660
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2016, 03:01:55 PM »
I am awaiting Motiv's response.

Reno will be interesting tomorrow.

BL.

WOWZERS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 599
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 03:05:19 PM »
Imagine being in Reno, only had brought 3 balls, or worse, 2 and 2 of them being Jackals/Carnages.

Uh oh

Aloarjr810

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2149
  • Alley Katz Strike!
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 03:17:12 PM »
They might need to update that ball giveaway up top!!
Aloarjr810
----------
Click For My Grip

Good Times Good Times

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6462
  • INTJ Personality
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2016, 03:18:20 PM »
Imagine being in Reno, only had brought 3 balls, or worse, 2 and 2 of them being Jackals/Carnages.

Uh oh

Yeah, that would not be good.
GTx2

J_w73

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2540
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 03:18:51 PM »
I know a lot of people that drilled up a Carnage just to use in Reno. It is a disappointment and setback for Motiv , but I'm sure they will make good on all of the Jackal and Carnage sales and offer a refund or replacement ball.

Any one know what the probation means.  Does the probation prohibit Motiv from releasing any new balls?
375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

WOWZERS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 599
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2016, 03:22:24 PM »
I wonder if we would ever get the USBC to release how many Jackals/Jackal Carnages were spot tested in the field and provide the results of the test. Provide the weight of the ball, the batch (based on Serial #) and what the true diff was on the test. That way Motiv could possibly narrow down if a bad batch left the plant (although if only one batch you would think there would be little chance for a ball from the one batch to be found, so the fact that multiple were found probably says this is more than a singular batch issue) or if the issue is with one weight in general and other weights are ok....

My assumption is for now, USBC would (HOPE) provide that specific info to Motiv so Motiv can investigate and recall the bad products.

Also, I wonder what the USBC's threshhold is to determine a ball needs recalled. At what point does saturation occur within the sample for the USBC to make this decision.

Need input (in my best Johnny 5 Short Circuit voice)

REmarcaBOWL

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 269
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2016, 03:30:14 PM »
Overseas Jackals still alive! LOL  :-X

Starting 5:

Crux Formula, Golden Gate, Super Idol, IQ Tour Rising, Pitch Red

"Be-Rare!"
www.facebook.com/ibbowling


milorafferty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11153
  • I have a name, therefore no preferred pronouns.
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2016, 03:34:28 PM »
Motiv has been pushing that .060 limit a lot, starting with the Cruel C51.
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

"If you don't stand for our flag, then don't expect me to give a damn about your feelings."

J_w73

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2540
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2016, 03:42:34 PM »
I wonder if that is why a lot of companies stay lower than the .060 spec.. You have no manufacturing tolerance.
375 RPM, 17-18 MPH, 45+ DEG AXIS ROTATION, 17 DEG TILT

BW

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 157
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2016, 03:51:02 PM »
That sucks that USBC is banning the balls immediately. They could have given bowlers a short period of time(30 days or less) to get a replacement ball. I have no doubt people are showing up to bowl league tonight with no knowledge of this whatsoever.

milorafferty

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11153
  • I have a name, therefore no preferred pronouns.
Re: Jackal and Carnage removed from USBC approved list
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2016, 03:53:17 PM »
Would the  Pin/cg/mb line make a difference? Just asking because I figure someone here(probably JustRico or kidlost2000) will know the answer to this question.
"If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?"

"If you don't stand for our flag, then don't expect me to give a damn about your feelings."