the balls in question should be grandfathered in.  USBC originally did this with balls above the .06 level when the limit was lowered a few years back.   

This is a little bit different of a situation. Balls were grandfathered then because USBC made a rule change. There was no rule change that made the Jackals illegal

That was a Primo Rediculous statement you Grease Monkey. Who do you think you are? An Elite socialite that can have a Torrid Affair with any Guru you please?

Yeti out

this is a bummer man.

Avabob

Although very small, there is a competitive advantage one has by using either Jackal over any other product for sale today. The other companies cannot submit a ball that reads over .060 diff to the USBC for sanctioned play. Somehow, whatever happened, the Jackal is now over that limit. We have all talked about how the best bowlers (PBA, top amateurs) sometimes just a hair difference is all that one person needs to kick out that 1 10 pin.....and this might be it.

For me...yeah, no advantage. The problem is, you can't ban the ball for some and not all. I could see the PBA saying something different than the USBC.

I feel bad for Ryan Ciminelli, he lost two majors to two players using the Jackal Carnage (Faulkner and Fach). If Ryan Ciminelli won the World Series he would've been player of the year and he would've gotten a $50,000 bonus for being the player of the year. If it weren't for the Carnage, Ciminelli would've been your 2015 POY and already have 3 majors to his belt. He's the hottest bowler on tour as of now. Honestly Motov should be paying Ciminelli, not USBC for the fee.

I feel bad for Ryan Ciminelli, he lost two majors to two players using the Jackal Carnage (Faulkner and Fach). If Ryan Ciminelli won the World Series he would've been player of the year and he would've gotten a $50,000 bonus for being the player of the year. If it weren't for the Carnage, Ciminelli would've been your 2015 POY and already have 3 majors to his belt. He's the hottest bowler on tour as of now. Honestly Motov should be paying Ciminelli, not USBC for the fee.

If it was only the ball that made the difference, everyone could buy a Jackal or Jackal Carnage and be a pro.  It isn't the ball.  It is the person throwing it.  Ciminelli happened to lose to players using the ball, but that is purely coincidence and nothing more.  If every tournament in the past year was won by people throwing Jackals then there may be something to it, but that isn't the case.

Quote from: NorthJerseyBowler on March 18, 2016, 11:59:32 PM

I feel bad for Ryan Ciminelli, he lost two majors to two players using the Jackal Carnage (Faulkner and Fach). If Ryan Ciminelli won the World Series he would've been player of the year and he would've gotten a $50,000 bonus for being the player of the year. If it weren't for the Carnage, Ciminelli would've been your 2015 POY and already have 3 majors to his belt. He's the hottest bowler on tour as of now. Honestly Motov should be paying Ciminelli, not USBC for the fee.

Bullshit...don't understand your thinking or lack of...

Even Ryan Ciminelli said regardless of the ball being used, he was beaten by a better guy those days.  Here's the post from his Facebook page:

Ryan Ciminelli
March 15 at 5:41pm

I just want to make a quick comment about the jackal line.. I'm sure more n more people will be wondering how I feel being beat twice by guys that happen to be throwing this ball on major shows... So to squash it now... it doesn't change that those guys didn't have this knowledge, they still beat me, and although it brought back some of the hurt that comes with losing on those shows.. It doesn't change anything.. Just motivates me a little bit more to keep knocking on the door. No pun intended. ‪#‎teamlefty‬ ‪#‎teamdv8‬ ‪#‎turbogrips‬ ‪#‎gottabelieveyoursiscoming‬

Quote from: tburky on March 19, 2016, 09:58:14 AM

Quote from: NorthJerseyBowler on March 18, 2016, 11:59:32 PM

I feel bad for Ryan Ciminelli, he lost two majors to two players using the Jackal Carnage (Faulkner and Fach). If Ryan Ciminelli won the World Series he would've been player of the year and he would've gotten a $50,000 bonus for being the player of the year. If it weren't for the Carnage, Ciminelli would've been your 2015 POY and already have 3 majors to his belt. He's the hottest bowler on tour as of now. Honestly Motov should be paying Ciminelli, not USBC for the fee.

Bullshit...don't understand your thinking or lack of...

Even Ryan Ciminelli said regardless of the ball being used, he was beaten by a better guy those days.  Here's the post from his Facebook page:

Ryan Ciminelli
March 15 at 5:41pm

I just want to make a quick comment about the jackal line.. I'm sure more n more people will be wondering how I feel being beat twice by guys that happen to be throwing this ball on major shows... So to squash it now... it doesn't change that those guys didn't have this knowledge, they still beat me, and although it brought back some of the hurt that comes with losing on those shows.. It doesn't change anything.. Just motivates me a little bit more to keep knocking on the door. No pun intended. ‪#‎teamlefty‬ ‪#‎teamdv8‬ ‪#‎turbogrips‬ ‪#‎gottabelieveyoursiscoming‬

Class act.

Agreed. A lot of that looks to come out of the Jack Jurek Book of Perseverence.

Honestly, if he had complained about the ball now, how much would he be made out to be a sore loser? That doesn't change the fact that there will be other challenges and other tournaments for him to win? He's already proven to be a winner in the PBA, so he knows that his time in the winner's circle is far from over.

Just from his response above, I'd bet anyone that if knowing what we know now if he had that chance again with those two majors would he have anything change, he'd say "absolutely not."

BL.