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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: jmc1972 on November 06, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
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Good Evening Motiv Keglerz,
You may have seen my similar post in the Radical section. Im considering Motiv, Radical, and Hammmer. I’m been giving some deep thought (yes my ears are smoking) into possibly switching from Storm/Rotogrip.
What would you recommend for an arsenal of no more than 9 balls, not including the spare ball?
Obviously I’m looking for the Motiv only option here, but am open if there’s a viable reason to use another manufactures ball such as “Radical not having a great THS ball or somethingâ€.
Stats:
Ball Speed: 16-17mph
Rev: 300
Axis Rotation: 75 Degrees
Axis Tilt: 17 Degrees
My benchmark punchups are as follows (modified based on motion I’m looking for)
Sym - 50x3.5x40 with balance hole ar 2†below midline on the VAL
Asym - 40x4.25x45
I’m right handed and bowl both THS and Sport on a weekly basis.
Your thoughts and suggestions are highly appreciated!!!!!!
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Here's my suggestions
Heavy oil Jackal Ghost (smooth and continuous)
Medium Heavy oil United revolt/ primal fear (depends on what your looking for. Fear being more skid flip and angular. While the united revolt being more rolly and smoother.)
Medium Venom shock( For a motiv arsenal you need this ball)
Medium light venom cobra/ octane carbon ( depends on what your looking for. Octane being more angular)
Light tag cannon/ tank rampage( depends on if you like urethane)
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Here's my suggestions
Heavy oil Jackal Ghost (smooth and continuous)
Medium Heavy oil United revolt/ primal fear (depends on what your looking for. Fear being more skid flip and angular. While the united revolt being more rolly and smoother.)
Medium Venom shock( For a motiv arsenal you need this ball)
Medium light venom cobra/ octane carbon ( depends on what your looking for. Octane being more angular)
Light tag cannon/ tank rampage( depends on if you like urethane)
This literally is what I think of when I think of a 5 ball Motiv arsenal. Ghost, United, Shock Carbon Tank
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Cobra if you were going to expand it beyond 5 balls? Oops didn't read post above. That Cobra does look pretty cool but alas Hy-Road pearl already fills that spot for me.
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If I were you and I had the chance to build my entire arsenal with 5 Motiv pieces, this is what I would do:
HEAVY OIL: Motiv Jackal Ghost. Strong read in the mids, early, smooth and continuous downlane.
MEDIUM/HEAVY OIL: Trident Quest. Clean, angular ball that will help me create shape down the lane.
MEDIUM OIL: Forza SS. Benchmark ball, smooth, predictable and a versatile ball to use on a wide variety of conditions.
MEDIUM/LIGHT OIL: Venom Shock. Great step down from the SS, and great all around ball.
MEDIUM/LIGHT OIL: Octane Carbon. Great step down from the Trident Quest, similar shape, weaker overall.
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I would go Ghost, United, Shock x2, and Cannon. The Carbon could fill the second shock spot but I have yet to like my Carbon hence the hesitation to include it.
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If I went to a full Motiv lineup this is how I would stack it:
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Lethal Paranoia
Venom Shock
Octane Carbon
Hyper Sniper
Usually I would have something like the Trident Quest in there, specifically in place of the United Revolt, but I'm iffy on the early reports for that one. The Lethal Paranoia isn't out yet but if it actually does end up being something between the Paranoia and Chronic Paranoia then it will be epic. Definitely worth the gamble of keeping a spot open.
Bit of a jump from the United Revolt and Lethal Paranoia to the Venom Shock, but not a huge one. Don't see the need for a Forza SS and Venom Shock so I went with the slightly weaker, but more downline option. Octane Carbon is that clean and powerful motion when it gets dry.
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I throw almost exclusivly Motiv and I also bowl THS and PBA.
You only need 4.
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
If you can't cover what you see with these balls, you need to work on your game, not buy more equipment.
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I throw almost exclusivly Motiv and I also bowl THS and PBA.
You only need 4.
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
If you can't cover what you see with these balls, you need to work on your game, not buy more equipment.
United to Shock? That's quite a jump.
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I throw almost exclusivly Motiv and I also bowl THS and PBA.
You only need 4.
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
If you can't cover what you see with these balls, you need to work on your game, not buy more equipment.
United to Shock? That's quite a jump.
You must be going by the Motiv Ball chart. The Shock is a stronger ball than where Motiv has it listed.
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I feel like they have a lot of good pieces to where you could put a few different lineups together and cover about anything.
But if I went full Motiv, I would start with these...
Trident
Forza SS
Lethal Paranoia
Venom Shock
Tag Cannon
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The thing with the Shock is the range it can cover between drillings and cover changes. I could see a 4 inch pin below fingers (for my PAP) and at 1000 be very strong. Then a 5.5 inch pin above the fingers and 4000+ be a significant step below.
For an arsenal, the Shock is better suited I think as a weaker benchmark on sport. The Chronic is probably better suited as a benchmark on THS with the stronger core. The Chronic will allow a bowler to play more left-to-right.
Yes, the Shock is surprisingly strong. I can't keep it on the lane on medium-light.
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I throw almost exclusivly Motiv and I also bowl THS and PBA.
You only need 4.
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
If you can't cover what you see with these balls, you need to work on your game, not buy more equipment.
United to Shock? That's quite a jump.
You must be going by the Motiv Ball chart. The Shock is a stronger ball than where Motiv has it listed.
I'm going by numbers. 2.48 .034 vs 2.47 .056.
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I throw almost exclusivly Motiv and I also bowl THS and PBA.
You only need 4.
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
If you can't cover what you see with these balls, you need to work on your game, not buy more equipment.
United to Shock? That's quite a jump.
You must be going by the Motiv Ball chart. The Shock is a stronger ball than where Motiv has it listed.
I'm going by numbers. 2.48 .034 vs 2.47 .056.
Ehh, what do I know. I only throw the balls three or four times a week. ;D
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2 dull, 2 shiny, 1 bench, 1 spare
Ghost strong dull asym
SS strong dull sym
Quest strong pearl asym
Cobra weaker hybrid sym
Shock medium dull sym
Sniper/Tank
Lethal could replace the Quest. Have to see how strong it truly is before actually posting that ball in the lineup
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My 5 Motiv’s would be in this order
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
Tag Cannon
All bases covered with these 5, no doubt about it.
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Would trade out the Jackal for a Cash or More Cash as guy says in another thread willing to mix and match brands. Then again I need the even more extreme asym love as I am a bit rev challenged.
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Would trade out the Jackal for a Cash or More Cash as guy says in another thread willing to mix and match brands. Then again I need the even more extreme asym love as I am a bit rev challenged.
Ghost will last longer ;)
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I throw almost exclusivly Motiv and I also bowl THS and PBA.
You only need 4.
Jackal Ghost
United Revolt
Venom Shock
Venom Cobra
If you can't cover what you see with these balls, you need to work on your game, not buy more equipment.
United to Shock? That's quite a jump.
You must be going by the Motiv Ball chart. The Shock is a stronger ball than where Motiv has it listed.
I'm going by numbers. 2.48 .034 vs 2.47 .056.
Ehh, what do I know. I only throw the balls three or four times a week. ;D
I'm not doubting!!
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Would trade out the Jackal for a Cash or More Cash as guy says in another thread willing to mix and match brands. Then again I need the even more extreme asym love as I am a bit rev challenged.
Ghost will last longer ;)
Well so far so good on my More Cash but yeah that ball is fairly soft. Tell you what ball will survive the Armageddon and that is my Ogre Urethane. Been using it as a spare ball for over a month and not a single ding plus being super hard urethane its not absorbing anything at all. Ball will out live me for sure which is good because its already my favorite ball.
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Here is my input and I am sure will hear the heat:
Your goal is to build the best bag for the conditions you will see. If you are not a staffer, I feel you are limiting your best options if you go with one brand. Being brand loyal is great, however, it may also be handcuffing you.
You said you were looking at Radical, Motiv and Hammer. My suggestion is to get something from their line-up that are known to do well.
Radical = Cash: Heavy Oil
Motiv = Venom Shock: smooth benchmark
Hammer = cherry vibe: for drier conditions
Then go from there, and fill in the gaps as you desire.
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I feel changing brands is easier if you only have a couple of balls. Personally I would prefer to use a single brand if I am looking at 5+ balls since the manufacturers are making the lineup with separation. It would be difficult to get 2 or 3 medium strength balls from different companies and not have some overlap.
I like jkirkerx suggestion of getting one ball to see how you like it. If you were to get a Venom Shock as an example, you will get to see how the ball works for you (shape and strength) and be able to build around it based on your style and the conditions you see.
And if you don't like it you can move to a different company without as much of a monetary impact.
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The notion that being a staffer isn’t limiting but someone that is brand loyal is limited makes no sense. At the end of the day both are using 1 brand so it’s the same.
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I found after I got past about 10 balls I started no longer caring about the brands but much more about the balls themselves. Just about every brand has one or two killer balls and most have a fair amount of chaff they just churn over and over. To be perfectly honest and blunt I am the first to admit I enjoy my arsenal but until you are able to hit the pocket with any of the balls in your bag at will worrying about the different balls is a bit of a fool's errand (but a fun one if don't have many other hobbies lol). Getting there but not quite there yet.
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The notion that being a staffer isn’t limiting but someone that is brand loyal is limited makes no sense. At the end of the day both are using 1 brand so it’s the same.
I agree they are the same but perhaps one is more likely to look past the sacrifice when they don't have to drop a couple of grand on balls.
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I don't consider it a "sacrifice" to be using only the Motiv brand. With their wide variety of bowling balls and 45 day release schedule, I can always find the next ball I need to fill a missing part of my arsenal. Since switching to all Motiv in February 2016, I'm bowling better than ever and I'm 55 now.
Sorry, no sacrifice here.
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Motiv is more rounded than some of the other brands. That said I have found some awesome balls from just about all the brands. Yes if you are going to have an arsenal of 5 or 6 bowls or less going with one brand maybe makes sense. I am not that person.