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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: Matt Fortney on November 03, 2013, 06:37:15 AM
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I've been reading as much as I can find on MOtion holes and their affect on reactions. I would really like to give it a try on a Motiv, but I'm curious which would be the best candidate for it? Has anyone tried it on any of them? If so, which ball and what were your results?
Just so you know what I'm thinking, I'm thinking maybe a venom toxin, tribal or maybe sigma tour? Let me know what you guys think.
Matt
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There was a post on bowling chat where the Motion hole didn't work well with the Sigma Tour. Something about the shape of the core.
The Tribal is SUPER angular already and might be overkill.
Venom Toxin looks like a good candidate.
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There was a post on bowling chat where the Motion hole didn't work well with the Sigma Tour. Something about the shape of the core.
The Tribal is SUPER angular already and might be overkill.
Venom Toxin looks like a good candidate.
Makes sense about the tribal. I think I remember seeing something about the sigma on there too. Something about the hole taking too much out of the core? I think the venom toxin it is. Soon as I can afford another one lol.
Matt
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I think it was the opposite with with the Sigma - there is a notch at the bottom IIRC and the hole was falling right into the notch and not removing any significant amount of core. So the hole was having no effect.
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I think it was tihe opposite with with the Sigma - there is a notch at the bottom IIRC and the hole was falling right into the notch and not removing any significant amount of core. So the hole was having no effect.
Yeah I think you might be right. I remember mo saying something about having to turn the core pre production so that the motion hole would be more effective. O just don't remember whether it was so it would or would not take out core.
Matt
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Someone did it on a Tank... so that core in the Venom line up does seem to take to it pretty well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbLff-Aix_A#t=14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbLff-Aix_A#t=14)
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Just curious why you would need it on your dry lane ball?
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Just curious why you would need it on your dry lane ball?
I would do this on light-medium balls move in and allow the Motion hole to take it into the pocket for better carry. But I am odd I would move into the remaining oil rather than sitting out in the dirt and ball down. Retain energy and strike is my thought. The Venom Toxin would be my choice also.
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Just curious why you would need it on your dry lane ball?
I would do this on light-medium balls move in and allow the Motion hole to take it into the pocket for better carry. But I am odd I would move into the remaining oil rather than sitting out in the dirt and ball down. Retain energy and strike is my thought. The Venom Toxin would be my choice also.
My thoughts exactly.
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Neither ball prior to adding an motion-hole would allow you to play the dirt. You'd have to catch the little remaining head oil. Now you've made the balls diff and int diff much much higher. Its going to be a lot more violent when it sees friction. You will however have a great reaction on THS with your previous light oil ball.
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Neither ball prior to adding an motion-hole would allow you to play the dirt. You'd have to catch the little remaining head oil. Now you've made the balls diff and int diff much much higher. Its going to be a lot more violent when it sees friction. You will however have a great reaction on THS with your previous light oil ball.
Exactly and that's the point you take a light-medium low Rg ball the VT and make it motion more on the backend.....depleted heads and possible carry down with a medium cover that will corner better for better carry....now if it was a stronger Whiplash or Fusion cover I'd think twice about a Motion hole. Move left into depleted heads and allow ball to corner a bit harder and carry better....that's the factor I would want.
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I've been reading as much as I can find on MOtion holes and their affect on reactions. I would really like to give it a try on a Motiv, but I'm curious which would be the best candidate for it? Has anyone tried it on any of them? If so, which ball and what were your results?
Just so you know what I'm thinking, I'm thinking maybe a venom toxin, tribal or maybe sigma tour? Let me know what you guys think.
Matt
Never did it on a Motiv yet, only Brunswick, Storm, & Roto Grip. The only advice i can give after doing around 15 balls is weaker balls with smaller (older lathe shaped) cores seem to work the best. But a few of the stronger Asym balls we tried were a success (strong layout that created a earlier breakpoint got pushed down due to a MoTion Hole). Good examples of this is the SYNC and Reax V2. The advantage to this is to create an optimal angle of entry, which the MoTion Hole gives.
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I have a venom toxin with a 1" motion hole and with this drilling is a house shot masterpiece. I threw this ball before the motion hole and for a medium light oil ball the motion hole brought this ball up to at least a medium oil ball and maybe more. Another plus with the motion hole is that it makes it harder to throw through the break point and seems to increase carry, just my 2 cents worth
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I have a venom toxin with a 1" motion hole and with this drilling is a house shot masterpiece. I threw this ball before the motion hole and for a medium light oil ball the motion hole brought this ball up to at least a medium oil ball and maybe more. Another plus with the motion hole is that it makes it harder to throw through the break point and seems to increase carry, just my 2 cents worth
Carry is a direct result of an optimum angle of entry that the MOtion hole creates.
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My brothe has a Mo hole on an Ascent. Ball is long with nice move on the back. Excellent carry.
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My brothe has a Mo hole on an Ascent. Ball is long with nice move on the back. Excellent carry.
If had my druthers I wouldn't Mo-hole a tall core high Rg like the Ascents. The Gear core which is lower Rg and fatter is a better fit for the Motion hole IMO. The other Motiv symmetrical core that work well with Motion holes would be the Quadfire on medium covers.
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As long as people understand the purpose of adding any performance based hole, you can make a better ball decision.
The intent of the MOhole is to change the dynamics of the core. The more core mass you can take out, the larger the change is in the core dynamics. So imagine the holes being put in the ball (gripping and MOhole) and see what the difference is. If you think there is a chance the MOhole will not touch the core or take very little out, then it may not be the best choice. But if it seems like the MOhole will take a large chunk of the core mass out, then it may be a good choice. Remember, the more mass you take out, the larger the change in dynamics will be.
Another thing to consider is if the cover is more dominant than the core. A strong cover on a weaker core may not produce as good of results as a weaker cover on a stronger core. This is why medium strength balls have provided significant results.
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As long as people understand the purpose of adding any performance based hole, you can make a better ball decision.
The intent of the MOhole is to change the dynamics of the core. The more core mass you can take out, the larger the change is in the core dynamics. So imagine the holes being put in the ball (gripping and MOhole) and see what the difference is. If you think there is a chance the MOhole will not touch the core or take very little out, then it may not be the best choice. But if it seems like the MOhole will take a large chunk of the core mass out, then it may be a good choice. Remember, the more mass you take out, the larger the change in dynamics will be.
Another thing to consider is if the cover is more dominant than the core. A strong cover on a weaker core may not produce as good of results as a weaker cover on a stronger core. This is why medium strength balls have provided significant results.
Good post and that's exactly they way I see it also.