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ccrider

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Motiv Litigation
« on: April 06, 2016, 03:39:38 PM »
For those of you interested, suit has been filed against Motiv seeking an order requiring Motiv to pay for replacement of the balls, along with incidental and consequential damages, which would include the cost of drilling.  Motiv was served March 30, 2016.

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2016, 10:38:19 AM »
I have been the one arguing for Motiv to include drilling for everyone, and I am a registered Republican. I will note as Good Times did, I will NEVER vote for Cruz. Its either Trump or Kasich or independent.

I have no idea what I would do if its Hillary and Cruz and nobody else. Probably not vote. I don't see Sanders getting enough delegates to make it.

I'll likely be voting 3rd party.  Bernie is the only one in the general I'd vote for and as you've noted, he's likely not going to get the nomination.........so 3rd party it will be, for me.
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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2016, 12:12:13 PM »
Kanak, it's no burden....just thinking must be your burden.

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2016, 02:06:36 PM »
Probably a bernie supporter...that case will be thrown out...PS I support Motiv...its the usbc that should sued.

Well, go ahead and file suit against the USBC so that you can be the one laughed out of court after wasting lots of time and money. Good luck with that.
With a good lawyer, it's a case that can be won. Hell, look at OJ...

Agreed.  I would wager that the LAST thing USBC would want would be to have some lawyer do discovery on this. 
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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2016, 02:24:28 PM »
Oh...  I thought this was going to be the coolest named new release out there...
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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #35 on: April 07, 2016, 02:42:25 PM »
Probably a bernie supporter...that case will be thrown out...PS I support Motiv...its the usbc that should sued.

Well, go ahead and file suit against the USBC so that you can be the one laughed out of court after wasting lots of time and money. Good luck with that.
With a good lawyer, it's a case that can be won. Hell, look at OJ...

Agreed.  I would wager that the LAST thing USBC would want would be to have some lawyer do discovery on this. 

you guys must be smoking something good.  USBC followed the rules.  It would not get overturned baring new evidence to suggest otherwise. 
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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2016, 04:35:08 PM »
i hardly post here.

if motiv is deemed liable, what happens to the company/staff/prostaff?

chapter 11?

people whining about drilling fees, i would charge a drill fee and i don't care if they supply grips/slugs. i support a family in my shop not free bees.

so, if motiv is found liable, although highly unlikely, kiss the products and staff goodbye. whoever started this lame pathetic class action, good luck.

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2016, 06:40:37 PM »
Probably a bernie supporter...that case will be thrown out...PS I support Motiv...its the usbc that should sued.

Well, go ahead and file suit against the USBC so that you can be the one laughed out of court after wasting lots of time and money. Good luck with that.
With a good lawyer, it's a case that can be won. Hell, look at OJ...

Agreed.  I would wager that the LAST thing USBC would want would be to have some lawyer do discovery on this. 

you guys must be smoking something good.  USBC followed the rules.  It would not get overturned baring new evidence to suggest otherwise.
did USBC follow the rules?

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2016, 04:04:47 AM »

This is just plain silly!!

All this over a bowling ball?  We definitely need to get some PERSPECTIVE over this whole thing.  I'm not affected personally, but if I were I'd be satisfied with the replacement ball AND MOVE ON. 

Life isn't perfect.  Bowling isn't perfect.  No company (Motiv included) is perfect because it's staffed by people.  People just like you and I.  Not every "injustice" in life is law suit worthy.  Our courts are over-burdened enough with real issues.  Call me old-fashioned, but this is just plain silly...
 

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2016, 06:07:16 AM »

This is just plain silly!!

All this over a bowling ball?  We definitely need to get some PERSPECTIVE over this whole thing.  I'm not affected personally, but if I were I'd be satisfied with the replacement ball AND MOVE ON. 

Life isn't perfect.  Bowling isn't perfect.  No company (Motiv included) is perfect because it's staffed by people.  People just like you and I.  Not every "injustice" in life is law suit worthy.  Our courts are over-burdened enough with real issues.  Call me old-fashioned, but this is just plain silly...
 
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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2016, 06:35:00 AM »
Bowling and society run hand in hand...The bernie and clinton people see people wanting free stuff, they see people supporting thugs and gangs and get away with it...People see other people getting the obama phone so now they want a freebie...When the so called "leaders" of this country want "free" stuff...How do you think the "people" will act? (and I use the term people loosely) Here is the fact plain and simple...You are getting a FREE replacement ball of your choice. If you dont have the money to drill it you probably shouldnt be bowling in the first place. Look for a second job or a job that pays more. 

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« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2016, 06:48:26 AM »
Probably a bernie supporter...that case will be thrown out...PS I support Motiv...its the usbc that should sued.

Well, go ahead and file suit against the USBC so that you can be the one laughed out of court after wasting lots of time and money. Good luck with that.
With a good lawyer, it's a case that can be won. Hell, look at OJ...

Agreed.  I would wager that the LAST thing USBC would want would be to have some lawyer do discovery on this. 

you guys must be smoking something good.  USBC followed the rules.  It would not get overturned baring new evidence to suggest otherwise.
did USBC follow the rules?
This is the $64 question. 

Do they have a regular spot checking program in place per the specification guide?  If so, what were previous results for jackal? Or did they just happen to "randomly select" the jackal and jackal carnage at the same time (one of them a full year and a half since release)?  What other brands have they spot checked since the inception of the program?  Do they have calibration report on the swing tester per their SOP?  What is the validated sensitivity of the testing procedure?  Would the hand alignment of the ball in the swing adversely affect the outcome if it was off by 1/16th of an inch (which is thinner than the line drawn on the ball with the grease pencil) or even less?  You can't tell me they had "periodically obtain(ed) ball samples through the normal chains of distribution and they (were) tested" for the original Jackal for the year and a half prior to the recent results.  This belies their assertion that they actually have a program in place.  If they did field test the jackal before and it passed, then how can they justify banning all now?  If they can't demonstrate that they do this regularly across all brands and models (as stated in their release and outlined in manual), then is this arbitrary and capricious?  In the real world, most people may not care or see a difference.  In the legal world, they do.


(I can't believe I just got sucked back into this. I had done so well to just "passively observe from now on".  The curse of being a geek I guess.)
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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2016, 07:18:10 AM »
I am sure lots are keeping up with all this.How about somebody sending a case of Legends Gold Diamond bowling ball and say SPIN ME..Here's a quote about this ball.The very Popular Dynasty Weight Block from the Black Pearl Line has emerged with the highest allowable Differential of .060. This is due to the new coverstock density versus weight block density. Be prepared to hit the pins very hard with this phenomenal ball.

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2016, 08:07:51 AM »
I am sure lots are keeping up with all this.How about somebody sending a case of Legends Gold Diamond bowling ball and say SPIN ME..Here's a quote about this ball.The very Popular Dynasty Weight Block from the Black Pearl Line has emerged with the highest allowable Differential of .060. This is due to the new coverstock density versus weight block density. Be prepared to hit the pins very hard with this phenomenal ball.

If the Motiv situation really did come about due to an anonymous note and case of balls being sent to USBC, it means that someone had to have been tipped off that the Jackals and Carnages were coming out out of spec. That information would almost certainly have had to originate from someone at Motiv or someone connected to a Motiv insider because it's not like anyone would've been suspicious just from watching those balls roll down the lane.

That's the part that I don't think has been explored or discussed. Many people on here have speculated that Mo Pinel was behind the "spin me" case being sent to USBC (if that's really what happened). Okay, so let's say it was Mo. Since there are quite a few balls that push those upper limits, why would Mo have gravitated toward the Jackals and Carnages? How did he know? I've heard cases of ball manufacturers tearing apart other companies' balls to see what makes them tick, so I guess it could've gone that way, but that seems awfully convenient, don't you think?

Long story short, Soup, if someone or some group has a reason to believe the Black Pearls are going to test over the limit, perhaps they will try to bring it to USBC's attention. Still, to me, it seems like someone on the inside had to have known the dirt on the Motiv balls because, as we've all said over and over again, there would be no reason to suspect anything just by watching them roll. Those balls are good, but they weren't giving people anything that hadn't been seen before. 

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2016, 08:15:31 AM »
Bowling and society run hand in hand...The bernie and clinton people see people wanting free stuff, they see people supporting thugs and gangs and get away with it...People see other people getting the obama phone so now they want a freebie...When the so called "leaders" of this country want "free" stuff...How do you think the "people" will act? (and I use the term people loosely) Here is the fact plain and simple...You are getting a FREE replacement ball of your choice. If you dont have the money to drill it you probably shouldnt be bowling in the first place. Look for a second job or a job that pays more.

Can you generalize any more? While I haven't planted a flag in either Bernie's or Hillary's camps, my views definitely tend to be more liberal; nevertheless, I work for a living, and I don't want, need, or expect any freebies or handouts from anyone or anything. Assuming that anyone with liberal views is broke, lazy, and wanting handouts is like saying that all conservatives are racist, gun-loving, hate mongers. That's one my problems with you and many others around here; you lump everything in together instead of taking things on a case-by-case basis. Morpheus pulls the same crap, especially when discussing anything that has to do with USBC.

Some people think Motiv is 100% at fault in this, so they shouldn't have to pay for the drilling and accessory fees. That view has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative. Personally, if I were a Motiv customer, I wouldn't expect the company to pay for my drilling fees on this since they don't pay for them with any other ball replacement situation, but that's just me. My political views have nothing to do with this. Not all liberals are this, and not all conservatives are that. Judge people and situations on a case-by-case basis; stop generalizing!

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Re: Motiv Litigation
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2016, 08:20:49 AM »
I believe the speculation was that if it was them, they were getting ready to do a comparison video between a Radical piece and these. Checked the jackals and carnages they bought and found them out of spec.