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JazlarVonSteich

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Motiv Octane
« on: May 21, 2014, 01:01:58 AM »
Just browsing bowlersdeals.com and I came across this:
http://www.bowlersdeals.com/motiv-octane-bowling-ball/

It looks like that new red ball might not be the next release coming from Motiv.

 

Gizmo823

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2014, 08:56:37 AM »
Intent is too close to the Rage.  The 2Cruel would be it, but it's discontinued.  A bigger hooking solid is what I'm after.  Actually if the Revolt wasn't so smooth it would be great.  Lol of course the reason it's so great is because it's so smooth . . but a solid between the Revolt and Talon would be perfect. 

I was hoping for something on the higher end of the scale.  The Revolt isn't quite enough ball, and I don't think there's ever a reason to throw the Talon, lol . .

Wouldn't that just be a cruel intent????
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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2014, 08:58:30 AM »
Revolt cover on the higher rg sinister core would be interesting...

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2014, 09:59:59 AM »
I can't wait to find out the process of repeating the coverstock surface on the Octane. Wondering how difficult and how close you'll be able to get to the oob reaction.

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2014, 11:13:03 AM »
They're using a surface scanner to make sure everything leaving the factory is at exactly that.  I don't think there's a process of repeating it, at least no more than repeating anything else.  Factory 4000 isn't Abralon 4000, usually isn't close.  Depends on how old the pads are.  Their factory finish will be much more consistent, it just means that it will be 5000 when it leaves the factory.  So basically it's whatever you have to do to get it back to 5000, It's about getting the surface back to an actual of 5000, not using a pad and getting whatever you get.  Surfaces usually end up higher than the pad you use.  If you use a 1000 pad, you won't get a 1000 surface.  So actually this gives you MORE information than you've ever had before.  Instead of not knowing actual factory surface and actual adjusted surface, now you know actual factory surface, you just have to adjust it by hand until it feels right.  Surface scanners are starting to filter into shops, we've actually tested a few, and results are interesting . .

I can't wait to find out the process of repeating the coverstock surface on the Octane. Wondering how difficult and how close you'll be able to get to the oob reaction.
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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 11:40:51 AM »
They're using a surface scanner to make sure everything leaving the factory is at exactly that.  I don't think there's a process of repeating it, at least no more than repeating anything else.  Factory 4000 isn't Abralon 4000, usually isn't close.  Depends on how old the pads are.  Their factory finish will be much more consistent, it just means that it will be 5000 when it leaves the factory.  So basically it's whatever you have to do to get it back to 5000, It's about getting the surface back to an actual of 5000, not using a pad and getting whatever you get.  Surfaces usually end up higher than the pad you use.  If you use a 1000 pad, you won't get a 1000 surface.  So actually this gives you MORE information than you've ever had before.  Instead of not knowing actual factory surface and actual adjusted surface, now you know actual factory surface, you just have to adjust it by hand until it feels right.  Surface scanners are starting to filter into shops, we've actually tested a few, and results are interesting ...

So 5000 laser scan polished is 5000 grit polished and laser scanned to verify surface is actually what it should be?

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 12:29:10 PM »
So 5000 laser scan polished is 5000 grit polished and laser scanned to verify surface is actually what it should be?

This is what I believe to be the case.  If you want to get the ball back to "OOB," the only way would be to send it back to the factory.  No one does that, so you will have to resurface it to something close to what it was and make minor adjustments if the reaction isn't what you want.

I agree with Gizmo in that you cannot realistically reproduce OOB.  But what you can do is develop a plan of attack when it comes to resurfacing your equipment and then make the adjustments necessary to achieve your desired results.  5000 from Motiv might equal me using 4000 at home.  But if I don't know that, I would probably resurface at 4000 and try out the ball.  If it is hooking too early, then maybe use an older 4000 or apply more pressure.  If it is hooking too late, then maybe go to a light 2000 pad for a little bit. 

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 12:47:59 PM »
So 5000 laser scan polished is 5000 grit polished and laser scanned to verify surface is actually what it should be?

This is what I believe to be the case.  If you want to get the ball back to "OOB," the only way would be to send it back to the factory.  No one does that, so you will have to resurface it to something close to what it was and make minor adjustments if the reaction isn't what you want.

I agree with Gizmo in that you cannot realistically reproduce OOB.  But what you can do is develop a plan of attack when it comes to resurfacing your equipment and then make the adjustments necessary to achieve your desired results.  5000 from Motiv might equal me using 4000 at home.  But if I don't know that, I would probably resurface at 4000 and try out the ball.  If it is hooking too early, then maybe use an older 4000 or apply more pressure.  If it is hooking too late, then maybe go to a light 2000 pad for a little bit. 

I agree, you can't recreate oob. It seems like a good thing to do is change the surface on a new ball before you throw it down the lane (not saying I would) since you'll never be able to recreate the factory surface/reaction.

With that said, my question really isn't how to return the Octane to it's factory surface, but more so what steps would you take to attempt to put the same surface on it which Gizmo answered. My second question was more directed to the factory surface being "5000 laser polished." Is this saying the factory surface is adjusted to 5000 grit (at factory), laser scanned to verify 5000 is the actual surface, and then polished?

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 01:34:27 PM »
Polishing is even more of a nebulous process, so I'm betting the actual finish is 5000, like it gets boxed up and leaves at 5000.  Otherwise I don't see much point in making note of it.  If they took it to 5000 then polished it, you would again end up with inconsistent finishes, or at least just as consistent as usual. 

I'm curious about the efficiency of the process.  This is an extra step that could, and most likely frequently cause more steps.  Their marking graphics already do cause an extra step, and now with stopping to check exact surface, if it's not right, it gets adjusted again.  Or maybe they can check it as it's getting surfaced . .
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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 02:29:27 PM »
Polishing is even more of a nebulous process, so I'm betting the actual finish is 5000, like it gets boxed up and leaves at 5000.  Otherwise I don't see much point in making note of it.  If they took it to 5000 then polished it, you would again end up with inconsistent finishes, or at least just as consistent as usual. 

And that's what threw me off.... When I was on the Motiv website I read about the Octane and while reading I saw 5000 grit laser scan polished. So then I was trying to figure out if it had polish on it and if so did they check the surface before or after the polish.

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2014, 02:32:55 PM »
Sounds costly.

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Re: Motiv Octane
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2014, 04:44:00 PM »
Sounds like this ball would be a perfect fit in between my Tribal and my Raptor p7.