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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: MOTIVmags on July 21, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
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Description: The Trident is an ALL around NEW ball in MOTIV’s lineup. MOTIV now again has an asymmetrical ball back in production, with the new Turbulent Core. It also has a new cover, the Coercion HVH (High Volume Hybrid) Reactive. The box finish is a 3000 Grit LSS (Laser Scan Sanded). The RG of the Trident is a 2.49 with a .054 differential. According to MOTIV’s hook scale it is their most hooking ball produced.
Reaction: I don’t want to just say that this is the most hook I’ve ever seen, but it is. It is NOT just another ball equal to the Jackal’s, nor is it a replacement for them. It is an upgrade and provides more hook potential which I will get into with the comparisons. So for me to say this ball really hooks, I really want to back it up with a description. Being asymmetrical it does start up soon, but it is not too early because there is still plenty of shape down lane. There is so much hook potential with this ball and it is not all in the front part of the lane, there is just as much shape and continuation down lane as there is in the front half of the lane. This is also why MOTIV has placed the Trident in the moderate motion column on the ball guide, essentially replacing the same location as the original Jackal. Many balls with a lot of hook potential hook early and get slower down lane, I feel the Trident never slows down. I also tested the pin up Trident with no hole with polish over the box finish. I really like the reaction from this surface change and it was still plenty strong enough, but just delayed the hook and made it much faster when encountering friction.
Comparisons: The Revolt Havoc in my opinion is still earlier than the Trident, but doesn’t have near the motion down lane or the hook potential of the Trident. The Revolt Havoc provides a much more even shape throughout the lane. Next, the Jackal Carnage is just a little sooner than the Trident and although it responds a little faster than a Revolt Havoc, it still does not have the response of a Trident. Finally, the original Jackal is cleaner and does respond a little faster than a Trident. NEITHER Jackal out hooked the Trident though, the Trident is 2-3 boards stronger than an original Jackal and 3-4 boards stronger than a Jackal Carnage. I also prefer the overall shape of the Trident to either of the Jackals as I get MUCH better continuation through the pins, especially for how deep the ball pushed me on the lane. Asymmetrical balls can be very forward when encountering friction, although the numbers say the Trident could be weaker than the Jackals, the cover on the Trident just makes it stronger.
Summary: I don’t normally rate balls…but if I were to rate them based on first outings, I would put the Trident in my TOP 3. The other 2 being the original Primal Rage and Venom Shock. If this balls is on track with how good those two are this ball should be liked by just about everyone. MOTIV has literally replaced the Jackals with an improved shape and increased hook potential, no duplication here.
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Mike Magolan - MOTIV | Turbo | Boom Apparel| Genesis Staff
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Wow.
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Shot on a house shot,waste of video
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Shot on a house shot,waste of video
99% of bowlers bowl on a ths. This video no different than Brunswick, Radical, Ebonite, Hammer ball videos. Nice vid, Mags
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+1 tkkshop. Thanks for the vids, Mike, keep em coming. Mine is already ordered, can't wait to see how it works on the Labor Day tourney shots.
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I may have to take the plunge and try one of these.
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Very nice video, thanks. Might have to hide it from my son. But then again he's getting the LE so it will be interesting to see a comparison there when the time comes.
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Mags,
Like the video and I will read your written review, especially if it resembles the quality of the Forza GT review you wrote. Thanks for your efforts.
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Lets see it on a 47ft pattern.Then I might be impressed.Why do you need a heavy oil ball on a ths?Most entry level balls is all you need.
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+1
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Which of the 2 layouts is being thrown during the "with polish" shots?
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The 60X5.25X30 is the ball with polish added, forgot to note that!
In order to keep the video within a reasonable length (2-3 minutes) I have recently used only a house pattern, but have included 2 layouts of the release.
Another option would be to do a house pattern AND a fitting challenging pattern (In this case a heavier longer pattern) but with only 1 layout. It's very challenging to please all your viewers and keep the video within a watchable length.
Thanks for all of your feedback and compliments!
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Trident written review added.
I think if my videos do not help you try reading one of my written reviews. I try NOT to include biased opinions, but rather information about the ball. Plus they are NOT just copy and pastes from the company's site.
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Trident written review added.
I think if my videos do not help you try reading one of my written reviews. I try NOT to include biased opinions, but rather information about the ball. Plus they are NOT just copy and pastes from the company's site.
Your reviews are very helpful Mike and we appreciate the extra effort it takes to make them since you could do like most staffers and just copy/paste from the Motiv site, then tell us it's a "must have in your bag ball".
Thanks for what you do!
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I enjoyed this review and find its a good comparison of the lineup. After seeing this video review (kudos on the quickness), I'd try a Trident just to see if it was as good as my Dream On.
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No offense at all cause I'm not trying to stir any pots but am I missing something special here? It looks just like almost every other new "hookiest hooking hook ball" released now
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No offense at all cause I'm not trying to stir any pots but am I missing something special here? It looks just like almost every other new "hookiest hooking hook ball" released now
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I was think the exact same thing. Especially being thrown an a fresh house shot. Show me what it does on a 47-50ft sport shot and maybe it will be more exciting.
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No offense at all cause I'm not trying to stir any pots but am I missing something special here? It looks just like almost every other new "hookiest hooking hook ball" released now
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I was think the exact same thing. Especially being thrown an a fresh house shot. Show me what it does on a 47-50ft sport shot and maybe it will be more exciting.
question. How many staff videos show you a ball on a 50 ft pattern?
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
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No offense at all cause I'm not trying to stir any pots but am I missing something special here? It looks just like almost every other new "hookiest hooking hook ball" released now
In a way, it is suppose to. Motiv needed to get this ball out in time for the fall season. Every other manufacturer has this reaction in their lineup and now Motiv has this reaction in their lineup. All the Motiv fans can rest assured the Trident is a competent replacement for their Jackals.
On sport shots there are even more unknowns than just what a person may state in the review (type of oil, pattern, lane bed, topography). Most THS are pretty much the same so this review gives the majority of bowlers (you know, the ones who don't bowl on sport) an idea of what the ball can do for them. Hell, Mike could have said the shot was the U.S. Open pattern and you couldn't have known otherwise.
Accept the review for what it is, marketing for a manufacturer.
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
They could just keep it simple and show it on Scorpion or Badger. Something most competitive sport shot bowlers have come across at one time or another. It wouldn't need to be the whole video...just 3 shots on each pattern, for example, to give people an idea of the look on that type of condition.
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
They could just keep it simple and show it on Scorpion or Badger. Something most competitive sport shot bowlers have come across at one time or another. It wouldn't need to be the whole video...just 3 shots on each pattern, for example, to give people an idea of the look on that type of condition.
guess you are unaware of the work that goes into putting the pattern in the machine, oiling, shooting the video. It's not worth the effort for an average staffer. Like I said before, do you go under Phil's video's (which are put together quite nicely) and complain about his balls being thrown on a house shot? Or BowlerDeals, Bowler X, Buddies Pro Shop? Everyone uses a house shot, and usually the same house shot. This gives us an idea of what the ball does compared to others.
Also, JustinWi usually does a video with 3 layouts on 2 different patterns. Be patient. His video will answer the REST of your questions for a ball set to release in 3 weeks.
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
They could just keep it simple and show it on Scorpion or Badger. Something most competitive sport shot bowlers have come across at one time or another. It wouldn't need to be the whole video...just 3 shots on each pattern, for example, to give people an idea of the look on that type of condition.
Perhaps you could show us what you mean?
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I could see it on the us open pattern, but isn't scorpion 47feet and badger 52??
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
They could just keep it simple and show it on Scorpion or Badger. Something most competitive sport shot bowlers have come across at one time or another. It wouldn't need to be the whole video...just 3 shots on each pattern, for example, to give people an idea of the look on that type of condition.
guess you are unaware of the work that goes into putting the pattern in the machine, oiling, shooting the video. It's not worth the effort for an average staffer. Like I said before, do you go under Phil's video's (which are put together quite nicely) and complain about his balls being thrown on a house shot? Or BowlerDeals, Bowler X, Buddies Pro Shop? Everyone uses a house shot, and usually the same house shot. This gives us an idea of what the ball does compared to others.
Also, JustinWi usually does a video with 3 layouts on 2 different patterns. Be patient. His video will answer the REST of your questions for a ball set to release in 3 weeks.
I am fully aware of what goes into programming the lane machines, laying down patterns, shooting videos, editing them, posting them, etc. People regularly film multi camera ball reaction videos at my center (which uses a Flex lane machine for which the staff had to attend training to use.)
This whole thread is a perfect demonstration of how it is impossible to make a "ball review" video that will truly satisfy everyone who watches it. Just like being President of the United States...you will never make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time.
If people don't want their videos critiqued, they shouldn't post them.
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Congratulations. Not everyone has the same ability when it comes to doing video.
Motiv is the best at showing the ball on a house shot and sport shot. Justin puts in a lot of work and all of us appreciate it.
You have to realize that the same way you can never make everyone happy that not everyone has the equipment, time, or money to do multiple camera angles, multiple layouts, multiple patterns, and multiple surfaces
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
They could just keep it simple and show it on Scorpion or Badger. Something most competitive sport shot bowlers have come across at one time or another. It wouldn't need to be the whole video...just 3 shots on each pattern, for example, to give people an idea of the look on that type of condition.
guess you are unaware of the work that goes into putting the pattern in the machine, oiling, shooting the video. It's not worth the effort for an average staffer. Like I said before, do you go under Phil's video's (which are put together quite nicely) and complain about his balls being thrown on a house shot? Or BowlerDeals, Bowler X, Buddies Pro Shop? Everyone uses a house shot, and usually the same house shot. This gives us an idea of what the ball does compared to others.
Also, JustinWi usually does a video with 3 layouts on 2 different patterns. Be patient. His video will answer the REST of your questions for a ball set to release in 3 weeks.
I am fully aware of what goes into programming the lane machines, laying down patterns, shooting videos, editing them, posting them, etc. People regularly film multi camera ball reaction videos at my center (which uses a Flex lane machine for which the staff had to attend training to use.)
This whole thread is a perfect demonstration of how it is impossible to make a "ball review" video that will truly satisfy everyone who watches it. Just like being President of the United States...you will never make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time.
If people don't want their videos critiqued, they shouldn't post them.
link to these multi camera ball reaction videos that you speak of?
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Video on 50 foot pattern would have people saying "the ball hardly hooks!"
Also, how much volume do you want that 50 foot pattern to have?
They could just keep it simple and show it on Scorpion or Badger. Something most competitive sport shot bowlers have come across at one time or another. It wouldn't need to be the whole video...just 3 shots on each pattern, for example, to give people an idea of the look on that type of condition.
guess you are unaware of the work that goes into putting the pattern in the machine, oiling, shooting the video. It's not worth the effort for an average staffer. Like I said before, do you go under Phil's video's (which are put together quite nicely) and complain about his balls being thrown on a house shot? Or BowlerDeals, Bowler X, Buddies Pro Shop? Everyone uses a house shot, and usually the same house shot. This gives us an idea of what the ball does compared to others.
Also, JustinWi usually does a video with 3 layouts on 2 different patterns. Be patient. His video will answer the REST of your questions for a ball set to release in 3 weeks.
I am fully aware of what goes into programming the lane machines, laying down patterns, shooting videos, editing them, posting them, etc. People regularly film multi camera ball reaction videos at my center (which uses a Flex lane machine for which the staff had to attend training to use.)
This whole thread is a perfect demonstration of how it is impossible to make a "ball review" video that will truly satisfy everyone who watches it. Just like being President of the United States...you will never make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time.
If people don't want their videos critiqued, they shouldn't post them.
link to these multi camera ball reaction videos that you speak of?
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-freakshow-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-deviant-pearl-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-vandal-smash-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-grudge-hybrid-bowling-ball-review/
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http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-freakshow-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-deviant-pearl-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-vandal-smash-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-grudge-hybrid-bowling-ball-review/
Is there a reason why you haven't commented on these videos since according to you, they are inferior in quality?
Or is it you don't like Motiv specifically and are using the video as a means of showing your hatred?
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http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-freakshow-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-deviant-pearl-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-vandal-smash-bowling-ball-review/
http://tamerbowling.com/dv8-grudge-hybrid-bowling-ball-review/
Is there a reason why you haven't commented on these videos since according to you, they are inferior in quality?
Or is it you don't like Motiv specifically and are using the video as a means of showing your hatred?
exactly the point I was getting to. Thanks
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;D
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I am not a Motive hater (I own Motiv stuff.)
As requested, I provided examples of videos recorded in my home center. The brand wasn't even considered when I grabbed the links...I grabbed the most recent examples from the reviewers site.
To infer a hatred for Motiv and claim that I think all ball reaction videos are inferior is simply incorrect. To think this was all gleaned from a comment about what I would have liked to have seen in one video for one heavy oil ball is unbelievable.
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I am not a Motive hater (I own Motiv stuff.)
As requested, I provided examples of videos recorded in my home center. The brand wasn't even considered when I grabbed the links...I grabbed the most recent examples from the reviewers site.
To infer a hatred for Motiv and claim that I think all ball reaction videos are inferior is simply incorrect. To think this was all gleaned from a comment about what I would have liked to have seen in one video for one heavy oil ball is unbelievable.
Why would you not ask Tamer to make videos of heavy oil balls (Grudge Hybrid comes to mind) on 47ft?
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I am not a Motive hater (I own Motiv stuff.)
As requested, I provided examples of videos recorded in my home center. The brand wasn't even considered when I grabbed the links...I grabbed the most recent examples from the reviewers site.
To infer a hatred for Motiv and claim that I think all ball reaction videos are inferior is simply incorrect. To think this was all gleaned from a comment about what I would have liked to have seen in one video for one heavy oil ball is unbelievable.
The reason for my post was because I have not seen (though it could be there) your complaints on other videos. Maybe this was the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't know. It seemed fishy.
And if you wanted to use videos to support your stance you should have watched them first. 1. Claiming the use of multiple video angles in the Freakshow video as a benefit is laughable since both video "angles" were essentially the same. 2. The video was on THS with no sport shots shown. 3. If we are being picky, the bowler had over 550 rpms so this bowler was more of an anomaly than a bowler who bowls on sport. I stopped with that one video.
If people don't want their videos critiqued, they shouldn't post them.
And in the same breath, if people don't want their views critiqued, they shouldn't post them.
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Justin and Mags do the best reviews here in my opinion. I can't even imagine the amount of time spent getting those videos together.