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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: stormed1 on March 12, 2016, 01:12:06 AM
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Venom Cobra
COLOR: Black/Bronze Pearl
NEOMARK COLOR: Silver Pearl/Gold Pearl
COVERSTOCK: Sabotageâ„¢ Hybrid Reactive
CORE: Top Gearâ„¢
FINISH: 5500 Grit LSP
LANE CONDITION: Light to Medium Oil
REACTION: Length w/ Backend
WEIGHTS: 12-16 lbs.
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Dang, the leak was right!
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im in, can't wait...
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Disappointed it wasn't a remake of the AMF Gunsmoke Cobra...
The graphics on the ball are awesome though.
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If it was for heavy oil, then I'd probably buy it.
But since I can't go buying any ball I'd love to have, because of budget and space, then I won't be getting it.
Hope Motiv makes another heavy oil ball before the summer break ends.
If they ever use the name Vicious for a ball, it was my idea. And no matter what type of oil pattern it's made for, I'm getting it :P Hope thye make a ball named Vicious, sounds like it could be a nice ball xD
My design, though they should not use it, because the bear isn't me who drew :P And the colorscheme sucks :P
http://imgur.com/a/fMHh6
But I do hope they use something along the lines of a bear, maybe one that have made claw marks on the name.
Someone replied to my comment about this on one of Motiv's YT videos, he said to call it "Vicious Predator" xD
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Hammer already had a Vicious line years ago.
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Names can be reused after sometime. 3 or 4 years....don't remember.
There was issue over the mission dominanation (which I had lol)..cuz storm still produced dominanation line balls.
Whereas the primal rage from c300 was long gone when motiv used it.
The whole crux thing was different.
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I might actually buy this one.
I'm currently using my Scandal or Swerve to spare with.
So maybe getting a medium oil ball is a good idea. Or maybe it's a bad idea since I can spare the 10 pin with a Jackal on medium oil, because of my low rev rate and average or above speed :P
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http://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/venom-cobra.html
http://www.motivbowling.com/resources/ball-guide.html
Kind of interesting that they shifted the Octane Burn over to the middle column of the light-medium oil row and placed the cobra in the right/angular motion column.
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I currently use as my first choice ball the Primal re-mix, I love the ball, but have to make serious adjustments starting from mid way through the night, and even more drastic for the final quarter or so. Makes sense given the aggressiveness of the ball, and I would prefer not to have to adjust so much.
My 2/3 balls in my bag are the Thug and the bad ass, hate them both, Bad ass hits like a feather, and thug needs the perfect lane conditions to work for me, really an all or nothing ball. So I'd like to replace both.
Does this ball sound like it would be a good compliment to the re-mix? I was thinking long run to a trio of the re-mix/Paranoia/and possibly this ball. Though I do want to take it 1 at a time to ensure going all in on Motiv is the way I want to proceed.
Any thoughts would be appreciated
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probably a stupid question but could someone help me out here....was thinking about ordering one but was told because of the jackal fiasco these werent on the approved list. so therefore would i be able to use it in any capaicty? or was it all just a load of bull?
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Just bull, the Venom Cobra was approved April 7, 2016.
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/approved_balllist.pdf (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/approved_balllist.pdf)
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Just bull, the Venom Cobra was approved April 7, 2016.
http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/approved_balllist.pdf (http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/approved_balllist.pdf)
thanks, probably going to go ahead and order one since I sold my toxin awhile ago
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
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They could have made some bad choices. We don't know the whole situation for why they decided to move
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.
Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.
Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?
the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.
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Every brand is selling you a gimmick to buy a new ball you likely do not need. Brunswick moved to Mexico and also built the newest bowling ball production facility available.
That's a lot of money invested I am sure. Brunswick could have stayed in MI and continued on as they were and been just fine. They wanted a new facility and some other changes and obviously found a better option and better incentives to do so. It is business. It is global. If Americans are superior in employees and work force then so many companies wouldn't move else where or wouldn't be made else where to begin with.
If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.
Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?
the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.
What the heck does "it's a real thing" have to do with whether or not it's a gimmick?
Gimmick - a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business
A technique to drive sales that "isn't a real thing" isn't a gimmick, it's fraudulent advertising.
That's nothing against Motiv, I have several of their balls and like them just fine. My Brunswick balls are also good. For that matter, so are my Utah balls and Kentucky balls.
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.
Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?
the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.
What the heck does "it's a real thing" have to do with whether or not it's a gimmick?
Gimmick - a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business
A technique to drive sales that "isn't a real thing" isn't a gimmick, it's fraudulent advertising.
That's nothing against Motiv, I have several of their balls and like them just fine. My Brunswick balls are also good. For that matter, so are my Utah balls and Kentucky balls.
by saying it's a real thing, I'm saying there is no trick involved. Neomark is a label on a ball. A marketing tactic, but not a gimmick. There is nothing tricky about it. It's just a modern way to put a label on a ball.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairman (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairman)in this article is states that Brunswick will save 5 million a year by moving to Mexico. I guess it paid off. Because the company ended up selling last year...
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If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.
This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.
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If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.
This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.
Agreed
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Exactly coorzero.
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If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.
This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.
this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand
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No it does not, but I agree with it 100% regardless!
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.
Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?
the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.
What the heck does "it's a real thing" have to do with whether or not it's a gimmick?
Gimmick - a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business
A technique to drive sales that "isn't a real thing" isn't a gimmick, it's fraudulent advertising.
That's nothing against Motiv, I have several of their balls and like them just fine. My Brunswick balls are also good. For that matter, so are my Utah balls and Kentucky balls.
by saying it's a real thing, I'm saying there is no trick involved. Neomark is a label on a ball. A marketing tactic, but not a gimmick. There is nothing tricky about it. It's just a modern way to put a label on a ball.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairman (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairman)in this article is states that Brunswick will save 5 million a year by moving to Mexico. I guess it paid off. Because the company ended up selling last year...
Oh, ok, got it. It's not a gimmick because it doesn't match YOUR definition of gimmick, dictionary be damned. My mistake.
I'll rephrase just for you. Brunswick failed where motiv excels because motiv has better marketing tactics.
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Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.
At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.
Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.
Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open
Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?
I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.
Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?
the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.
What the heck does "it's a real thing" have to do with whether or not it's a gimmick?
Gimmick - a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business
A technique to drive sales that "isn't a real thing" isn't a gimmick, it's fraudulent advertising.
That's nothing against Motiv, I have several of their balls and like them just fine. My Brunswick balls are also good. For that matter, so are my Utah balls and Kentucky balls.
by saying it's a real thing, I'm saying there is no trick involved. Neomark is a label on a ball. A marketing tactic, but not a gimmick. There is nothing tricky about it. It's just a modern way to put a label on a ball.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairman (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairman)in this article is states that Brunswick will save 5 million a year by moving to Mexico. I guess it paid off. Because the company ended up selling last year...
Oh, ok, got it. It's not a gimmick because it doesn't match YOUR definition of gimmick, dictionary be damned. My mistake.
I'll rephrase just for you. Brunswick failed where motiv excels because motiv has better marketing tactics.
or balls per sales numbers...
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If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.
This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.
this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand
It is a clip of a bigger post…… why does it have to be about you?
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If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.
This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.
this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand
It is a clip of a bigger post…… why does it have to be about you?
it's about the thread... that post was in another thread, one that it is relevant too. But if you'd like to get off subject, I wonder how what Norm Duke''s finger pitch is?
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That post was in this thread.....on page 2, not that it matters.
Norm Duke is usually on here, he may reply in a few since you asked.
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For what it's worth none of the recent discussion on topic. After all this is a thread about the Venom Cobra...
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In reference to the Cobra…… I wish it was a different color. Maybe on the next release
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In reference to the Cobra…… I wish it was a different color. Maybe on the next release
ball is beautiful in person. The black and copper mix looks great.
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This performance line has been extremely popular. Always more hook then expected.