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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: bowlingman817 on June 17, 2016, 06:16:12 PM
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Was just snooping around bowler x.com I noticed they had the motiv trident listed on there. It will be the new replacement for the jackals, their high-end asymmetrical release. It shows release date of August, the ball looks to be black with light blue no marks.
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Here's a link to the bowlerx.com page:
http://bowlerx.com/Motiv-Trident-Bowling-Ball-MOTTRINDENT.htm
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Interesting. Not the most inspiring color scheme but I like the name. If the limited edition replacement is indeed different than this we should be hearing about that soon as well.
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I bet ya it's a trident LE or something
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also I dig bowlerx's homemade description
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Doubt it's the ball that we who ordered the LE Motiv will be getting to replace the Jackal.
I hope not, it doesn't look cool enough to replace the Jackals :P
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I bet ya it's a trident LE or something
Yeah, could just be a Trident with different colors. Wouldn't upset me although those who plan on selling their replacement balls probably aren't too high on that idea. ;D
Looks like the picture on bowlerx was updated. Now there's a small image of the core included as well. I think it's a brand new one.
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And then there's this:
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Here's a picture of the core. Brett Spangler said this was "another" asymmetrical core in their line and was not the Jackal replacement.
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I would assume the colors on the replacement le would be close to the the original 2 jackals.
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Interesting how the photo states that Motiv was not allowed to participate...
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USBC suck.
Just because of one misshap, Motiv aren't allowed to be involved at the expo?! o_O
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Here's a picture of the core. Brett Spangler said this was "another" asymmetrical core in their line and was not the Jackal replacement.
Good to know. Hopefully some information about what it actually will be comes out soon. The suspense is killing me. Well that and me possibly putting together a whole new lineup so I'm trying to figure out what goes where... :D
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It's supposed to be out near the end of August but it's definitely not a LE. But I'm very excited to get one since I've been waiting to get a heavy oil ball for awhile now. But I'm interested in that Power Gel Gloss and how it's different from the Power Gel Polish.
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Performance: Heavy Oil
WWRD: August 24, 2016
Weight Range: 14# - 16#
Inner Core: Turbulentâ„¢
Cover: Coercionâ„¢ HVH
Finish: 3000 Grit LSS
15# RG: 2.49; Diff: .054; Int: .017
Cover Color: Black/Charcoal Pearl
NeoMarkâ„¢ Color: Aqua Pearl/Silver
Pearl
KEY SELLING POINTS
The Tridentâ„¢ is the ultimate weapon
for heavy oil and features MOTIV’s
latest technology to provide massive hook potential.
Featuring the new Turbulentâ„¢ asymmetric core, the Tridentâ„¢ explores a spec set no previous
MOTIV release has targeted before. This enables the ball to retain more energy and produce
powerful continuation.
Coercion HVH (High Volume Hybrid) cover stock is also new technology. It gives the Tridentâ„¢
superb mid-lane read and an incredibly strong transition at the backend. Tuned with a 3000 Grit
LSS finish, this ball dominates on heavy oil.
The Trident is a heavy oil ball that offers massive hook potential and versatility. Many league
bowlers will find it playable on medium-heavy oil patterns too because it retains energy so we
My distributer showss a release date of 8/24/16
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So this is more along the lines of a successor to the original Jackal. Makes sense though. If the LE replacement is a snow tire then they wouldn't overlap as much.
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I hope that the LE replacement will have a interesting color mixture for the cover.
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I hope that the LE replacement will have a interesting color mixture for the cover.
I hope it's not an "interesting" color mix like the Primal Impulse had...
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I would love it if it was "interesting" like the Primal Impulse. And I love the ORG Forza's colors and I really love the roll of the ball. I think that I am in the minority thou.
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I would love it if it was "interesting" like the Primal Impulse. And I love the ORG Forza's colors and I really love the roll of the ball. I think that I am in the minority thou.
The original Forza is fine. The Primal Impulse, like the Forza Redline didn't sell as well as it should have due to the colors in my opinion. Both roll well, but the color choices didn't have broad appeal.
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Looks like the Trident is the replacement I want for my Jackel Carnage. RG is higher which I like. I didn't want some universal replacement ball that's more like the original Jackal.
And the Power Gel Gloss is cool. I use power gel but on my Cobra, I want to clean and polish at the same time.
Judging by the description of the Trident in a couple of the posts above I would say it's probably closer to the original Jackal than the Jackal Carnage. Especially with it being a hybrid coverstock. I know that doesn't mean much by itself but companies usually make their balls fit in with what people expect from a particular type of coverstock.
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Here is the link to the new Motiv Trident.
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/trident.html
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More of what everyone loved about the Jackal. Close to Jackal shape, outhooks both Jackal and Carnage.
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More of what everyone loved about the Jackal. Close to Jackal shape, outhooks both Jackal and Carnage.
Outhooks the Carnage?? O.o
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If it outhooks the Jackal's, then Motiv should gives us them as replacements.
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Interesting.
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More of what everyone loved about the Jackal. Close to Jackal shape, outhooks both Jackal and Carnage.
Outhooks the Carnage?? O.o
The Carnage had a 58 rating and even that was stronger than a Track Paradox or Storm Lock (57 rating). The Trident being at 59 basically makes it and the No Rules as the strongest balls that will be hitting the market.
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Does anyone have any info at all about the LE balls?
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The LE ball is waiting for the USBC's final decision about reinstatement. The Trident is the new catalog asymmetrical ball going forward. Once we know the results of the USBC appeal, the balance of the exchange program will be sorted.
Trust me, we want this resolved just as badly as you do.
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More of what everyone loved about the Jackal. Close to Jackal shape, outhooks both Jackal and Carnage.
Outhooks the Carnage?? O.o
The Carnage had a 58 rating and even that was stronger than a Track Paradox or Storm Lock (57 rating). The Trident being at 59 basically makes it and the No Rules as the strongest balls that will be hitting the market.
Whose ratings are those: BJI, BTM or other? (thanks)
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The LE ball is waiting for the USBC's final decision about reinstatement. The Trident is the new catalog asymmetrical ball going forward. Once we know the results of the USBC appeal, the balance of the exchange program will be sorted.
Trust me, we want this resolved just as badly as you do.
So is there a time frame for that?
What if there is no budging from USBC?
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The timeframe is whenever the USBC announces their decision. Now that the Open tournament and Bowl Expo is over, hopefully an announcement of some form will come soon.
If they are reinstated, the LE won't be needed. If they aren't, balls will be made and go out to those that chose the LE through the exchange program.
This is the same procedure that has been outlined since the beginning of the program, the only uncertainty is timelines.
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Since the hearings between Motiv and the USBC are over, what were the reasons that Motiv used for reinstatement? Telling us now won't alter the USBC's decision since they already have every piece of information they need.
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I couldn't begin to tell you. The only people that are privy to all of the accurate information is the USBC, the Wilburs, and their respective legal teams. There are many many moving parts, this is part of why the process has gotten the rumor mill turning so hard. There are lots of people that think they know what is going on, unfortunately they are mistaken.
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I don't know any of the details about the appeals between Motiv and USBC, but one thing I do know is that Motiv has handled this very poorly from a public relations standpoint.
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I challenge anyone criticizing how this has transpired to formulate a better plan on an hours notice.
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I challenge anyone criticizing how this has transpired to formulate a better plan on an hours notice.
So you're saying Chad Murphy is a liar?
"USBC first contacted Motiv on February 26 and notified them about the specification issue. This was more than two weeks before the revocation decision was announced. Statements suggesting that USBC had not communicated with Motiv, or that its decision was intended to blindside them without warning, simply are not true."
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I challenge anyone criticizing how this has transpired to formulate a better plan on an hours notice.
Then perhaps the Motiv brain-trust should have taken more than an hour to formulate their plan.
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Then perhaps the Motiv brain-trust should have taken more than an hour to formulate their plan.
I'm curious as to your specific issues with the handling of the situation. It took much more than an hour to sort the exchange program.
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I challenge anyone criticizing how this has transpired to formulate a better plan on an hours notice.
So you're saying Chad Murphy is a liar?
"USBC first contacted Motiv on February 26 and notified them about the specification issue. This was more than two weeks before the revocation decision was announced. Statements suggesting that USBC had not communicated with Motiv, or that its decision was intended to blindside them without warning, simply are not true."
If it is on the internet, it must be true.
With how customer driven MOTIV is, if there was a significant issue like this brought to their attention, to imply they would have idly passed it off is ludicrous.
There is far too much he said/she said in this situation, and that is the fuel for the rumor mill. Speculation as to how everything went down is nothing more than an exercise in imagination.
The topic has been discussed at length. I invite you to look at it objectively from ALL sides(USBC, MOTIV, Consumer).
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Then perhaps the Motiv brain-trust should have taken more than an hour to formulate their plan.
I'm curious as to your specific issues with the handling of the situation. It took much more than an hour to sort the exchange program.
I own three of the affected products, therefore I am a customer. You remember what a customer is, right?
I chose a Revolt Havoc for one of the three balls and already have it. I opted for the LE replacements for the other two as more of a same strength and shot shape ball.
I'm not trying to be pissy about this, but you are the one who made the statement of "I challenge anyone criticizing how this has transpired to formulate a better plan on an hours notice."
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The exchange program was offered to allow anyone that wanted immediate resolution to receive such. Taking a ball of lesser value was your choice, as was waiting on the LE. Here Jackals sold for 229.95, Havoc 214.95. A ball devalues FAR more than $15 the second you drill a hole in it.
I'm still curious what system you would have engineered to handle the situation better? This is not an argument, genuinely curious.
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The exchange program was offered to allow anyone that wanted immediate resolution to receive such. Taking a ball of lesser value was your choice, as was waiting on the LE. Here Jackals sold for 229.95, Havoc 214.95. A ball devalues FAR more than $15 the second you drill a hole in it.
I'm still curious what system you would have engineered to handle the situation better? This is not an argument, genuinely curious.
Did I complain about taking a ball of a lessor price? No, I just made that statement and I'm happy with the choice. And yes, I did choose to wait on the LE.
Justin, I appreciate your ball reviews and dedication to Motiv. I mostly use Motiv myself and I don't even get them for free.
What would I have done differently? Good question and I don't have the full story so there is no way I would suggest a reasonable solution. I would have probably hired outside help, like a public relations firm to get expert advise. Perhaps Motiv did this, but from my point of view, they seem to be "winging it" and hoping for the best.
But here is the real problem for Motiv, they have hundreds of league bowlers(if not thousands) who were left without their ball to end the league season. Those same bowlers are now heading into the fall league season still without a similar ball. Are they going to accept that, or are they going to get the latest hook monster from a different company? I know a lot of bowlers and I can tell you what I have seen and that is a lot of Alpha Crux's, Lock's, Paradox's, Nirvina's and Guru's being sold to previous owners of the Jackal.
The new Trident could have filled that gap, but Motiv is still trying to win a pissing contest with USBC.
Personally, I will still throw Motiv as I don't use the heavy oil stuff that often anyway. But it would be nice to have a high end asymmetric in my bag for tournaments when needed.
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The Trident does fill that gap. It is important to get word out before the season starts that it is there.
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It's not even on the Motiv website yet, no one would even know what the Trident is because it doesn't exist yet on the web page.
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The Trident does fill that gap. It is important to get word out before the season starts that it is there.
Speaking of filling gaps, do you have any information about what the possible LE ball could be like? I'm not really concerned about when it's coming out (if it does) but where it fits in my bag. I'm toying with the idea of buying a whole new arsenal before the season starts. It would really suck to buy something and then get the LE ball and have it duplicate one of my other new pieces.
If I exclusively used Motiv I wouldn't worry about it too much. It probably wouldn't fill the same role as something in their current lineup, but I throw stuff made by all of the companies. Any information along those lines would be much appreciated.
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The only people that know about the Trident are HARD CORE Motiv bowlers. Like those of us that participate on the forums here. I would say that is only about 1% of Motiv bowlers. The rest of them, the 99%, since the Trident is not even a part of the Motiv website, don't know anything about the forthcoming bowling ball.
Motiv should have gone full out with information as soon as it decided to release the Trident. Instead, we are about 6 weeks away from league season and the Trident is still locked in a hidden box, if you will. Not a very smart marketing plan.
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http://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/trident.html
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The only people that know about the Trident are HARD CORE Motiv bowlers. Like those of us that participate on the forums here. I would say that is only about 1% of Motiv bowlers. The rest of them, the 99%, since the Trident is not even a part of the Motiv website, don't know anything about the forthcoming bowling ball.
I'm not a "HARD CORE" Motiv bowler, hell you're not either since your name is still AMF300Bowler lol. The Trident has been on the website so I know all of the info that has been given by Motiv. There is no other info to know until we start seeing people throw it
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From reading the motiv Facebook forum this thig will be an absolute hooking beast...a few guys threw it at a trade show and said it's unbelievable how much this thing moves
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It's still not on the website. Anywho being that they were at ball expo. I figured there would be more hype building .... I mean how does the product get known about? This is all weird TBH
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It's still not on the website. Anywho being that they were at ball expo. I figured there would be more hype building .... I mean how does the product get known about? This is all weird TBH
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Would the bowlers complaining about the ball not being on the website be as upset if they didn't know the ball existed? Motiv has consistently released information on their next release well in advance of it officially appearing on the website. Just because we know about the ball doesn't mean it needs to be on the website officially.
Next thing you know bowlers will expect balls to be on the website the minute they are on the approved list.
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>> Next thing you know bowlers will expect balls to be on the website the minute they are on the approved list.
Why not? It's approved and you know you are going to release it. Why not get the hype machine started? You can never promote a bowling ball too much considering it is a very intense market with new balls coming out by competitors almost every week.
As for those of you saying the Trident IS on the Motiv website, unless you know the exact URL to enter, you can not find the ball. There are no active links to get you to the ball information.
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>> Next thing you know bowlers will expect balls to be on the website the minute they are on the approved list.
Why not? It's approved and you know you are going to release it. Why not get the hype machine started? You can never promote a bowling ball too much considering it is a very intense market with new balls coming out by competitors almost every week.
As for those of you saying the Trident IS on the Motiv website, unless you know the exact URL to enter, you can not find the ball. There are no active links to get you to the ball information.
Because it would hurt sales of the ball that was just released. Us bowlers have a serious attention deficiency when it comes to the latest shiny new toy, and the ball companies know it.
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>> Next thing you know bowlers will expect balls to be on the website the minute they are on the approved list.
Why not? It's approved and you know you are going to release it. Why not get the hype machine started? You can never promote a bowling ball too much considering it is a very intense market with new balls coming out by competitors almost every week.
As for those of you saying the Trident IS on the Motiv website, unless you know the exact URL to enter, you can not find the ball. There are no active links to get you to the ball information.
Because it would hurt sales of the ball that was just released. Us bowlers have a serious attention deficiency when it comes to the latest shiny new toy, and the ball companies know it.
This.
Motiv is different in they release a new ball every 45 days or so instead of multiple releases a couple times a year like other manufacturers. Many hear of the upcoming release before the previous one is actually on the market. This means talk is about what is to come out instead of what just came out. I would rather the leaks be closer to the release date. Hype is good, but waiting 2+ months for the hype to be realized is too much for most people. Eventually they grow weary.
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>> Because it would hurt sales of the ball that was just released.
The only way that would be true is if Motiv released two balls, one after another, for the exact same lane condition. The Trident and GT are for very different lane conditions. Posting both at the same time would not hurt the sales of either.
What will hurt the sales of the Trident is the wait for the announcement of the LE ball. Those of us waiting for details of the LE, but like the Trident, will just sit back and wait. If we knew the LE wasn't what we want or we feel the Trident would be better, we would go ahead and buy a Trident. I know I would.
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The only way that would be true is if Motiv released two balls, one after another, for the exact same lane condition. The Trident and GT are for very different lane conditions. Posting both at the same time would not hurt the sales of either...
We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. ;D
>>...What will hurt the sales of the Trident is the wait for the announcement of the LE ball. Those of us waiting for details of the LE, but like the Trident, will just sit back and wait. If we knew the LE wasn't what we want or we feel the Trident would be better, we would go ahead and buy a Trident. I know I would.
But, I agree on this and think Motiv should give us an option of the Trident instead of waiting for the LE. Afterall, we lost a heavy oil ball, so give us the current heavy oil ball.
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Motiv is pretty good about not overlapping reactions, so why would you not want the LE (if you're getting one) and the Trident if you like the motion?
AMF300bowler should go into the bowling marketing industry. He'll please everyone every time!
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Motiv is pretty good about not overlapping reactions, so why would you not want the LE (if you're getting one) and the Trident if you like the motion?
AMF300bowler should go into the bowling marketing industry. He'll please everyone every time!
I would agree Motiv is pretty good about that. The Trident has my interest for an oil ball when it comes time to buy one.
And he really should
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I'll take the LE and of course I will buy the Trident as well. 'Cause that's how us ball whore's roll. ;D