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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: mattypizon on January 23, 2016, 10:34:37 PM
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New cover and new core for the Motiv heads next!
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Primal Rage replacement?
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http://www.motivbowling.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30571
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I can't wait to see how this ball rolls. Looks very interesting.
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Primal Rage replacement?
According to Brett Spangler it is the replacement for the Octane.
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Yep, it is going to fill the last open spot on the Motiv Ball Guide. Med oil, late hook. The all new Oblivion core is dual density like the one in the Rage but all new design. This looks like another KO for Motiv. I'm still way behind, my Havoc just got to my PSO Friday and she drilled it but, Philly area had a few "snow flurries" friday and saturday so I have to wait till next Sat.
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Is it a replacement for the original Octane? I am assuming this ball is pearl. Any updates guys?
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Keep the competition looking over their shoulders with the Motiv Paranoia.
The Paranoia brings all new technology to the Motiv line. The new Agitator Pearl reactive coverstock adds extra length and angle on medium oil to the arsenal. Finished at 5500 LSP (Laser Scan Polish), this ball has no trouble getting down the lane.
Pair that with the new Oblivion symmetric core, with it's dual density, and you've got controlled angularity on the backend. This cover core combination blends the wet/dry while still providing angularity. It's really quite something!
Make 'em sweat with the Motiv Paranoia!
Here's what Motiv has to say about the Paranoia:
The Purple Pearl Paranoia will provide more total hook than the Venom Shock and Octane Burn while still providing more angle at the backend. It will also give more length and angle than both the Forza and Forza Redline without sacrificing hook. This special piece is also an amazing one-two punch with the Primal Rage. It provides similar angle with slightly less hook.
Shipping 3/2/16
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If the phaze is a bust for me I'm going motiv. Lol this ball looks sweet
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If the phaze is a bust for me I'm going motiv. Lol this ball looks sweet
If the Phaze is a bust for you, ill buy it lol This ball looks pretty sweet and if it outperforms the Octane it'll probably be a big seller for Motiv
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Didn't they just come out with a purple ball, plus they just released the octane burn that was a pearl. This one just doesnt excite me any. Too much purple in their lineup.... Havoc, Shock and now this.
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Didn't they just come out with a purple ball, plus they just released the octane burn that was a pearl. This one just doesnt excite me any. Too much purple in their lineup.... Havoc, Shock and now this.
Lotta red too.
but those are good cover stock colors!
Some of the best balls have been of the purple/red spectrum...If the phaze is a bust for me I'm going motiv. Lol this ball looks sweet
If the Phaze is a bust for you, ill buy it lol This ball looks pretty sweet and if it outperforms the Octane it'll probably be a big seller for Motiv
I moved accross the border...I'm in "Michigan" now..i might have to support!
I don't wanna sound like that ticked off AMF dude, but motiv is kinda big around here..
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That Oblivion Core looks pretty interesting to say the least.
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Bowlers buy equipment based on color? Sheesh! I am guessing the color freaks don't own a Redline. ;)
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I see the resemblance.
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>> I don't wanna sound like that ticked off AMF dude, but motiv is kinda big around here.
That "ticked off AMF dude" is going to a Motiv Test Drive at Royal Scot Lanes in Lansing on February 12th. I can't wait.
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>> I don't wanna sound like that ticked off AMF dude, but motiv is kinda big around here.
That "ticked off AMF dude" is going to a Motiv Test Drive at Royal Scot Lanes in Lansing on February 12th. I can't wait.
Hey man, its OK, those Utah bone heads tick me off all the time. Like, when they stopped making the cell for a while!
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If your not a staffer, the best thing to is try out all the different companies. Actually just picked up the Redline last week for $94 at bowlerdeals.com. Glad I did, ball looks awesome especially next to my green Pathogen and is a very strong and controlled hook for a pearl. I'm really enjoying it. Just not sure where this paranoia will fit in when there is already the Rage, Redline, Octane Burn and Venom Panic.
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Paranoia is selling at bowlingball.com for $153.95!
It's almost as expensive as Jackal Carnage... WOW!
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Paranoia is selling at bowlingball.com for $153.95!
It's almost as expensive as Jackal Carnage... WOW!
I believe the Octane came out at 146.99. I'm not a fan of the price being that high for that type of ball when the competition is 110-130. Yes I know it may only be a $20-30 difference but bowlers see the price difference
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Paranoia is selling at bowlingball.com for $153.95!
It's almost as expensive as Jackal Carnage... WOW!
I believe the Octane came out at 146.99. I'm not a fan of the price being that high for that type of hall when the competition is 110-130. Yes I know it may only be a $20-30 difference but bowlers see the price difference
I agree, that's a little pricey for a middle of the road ball. That as much as most other manufacturers high end releases.
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The price isn't all that surprising considering the ball is new core and cover tech from Motiv and slots just under the Primal Rage which sells for $159. A price of $110-$130 would put it in the same category as the Tag and Venoms, but I think the Paranoia is intended to be a higher performing piece than those.
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When is the release date for the Paranoia?
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When is the release date for the Paranoia?
March 2nd
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I'm just curious.. typically, what makes it high performance ball?
If I may borrow the definition from bowlingball.com,
( 8 ) High Performance: This category will provide you with a wider variety of ball reactions for use on more challenging lane conditions.
(10) Pro Performance:Designed for very advanced bowlers. These balls are the newest in bowling technology.
Paranoia is high performance ball ( 8 ) according to bowlingball.com
Paranoia (#15) RG: 2.53 DIFF: .047 Flare: M-H
Octane (#15) RG: 2.55 DIFF: .043 Flare: M
Not too much difference there...
Paranoia's breakpoint shape to be "Controlled Angularity"
I guess this is new technology, right?
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In my opinion, it is marketing.
Though I am okay with "new" technology being considered high performance regardless of the amount of hook or backend it has.
Re-issued old technology maybe not so much.
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The price isn't all that surprising considering the ball is new core and cover tech from Motiv and slots just under the Primal Rage which sells for $159. A price of $110-$130 would put it in the same category as the Tag and Venoms, but I think the Paranoia is intended to be a higher performing piece than those.
Not to pick nits but, the primal rage was 147 before the release of the remix. Since remix was priced at 159, then suddenly and magically, the red primal was suddenly a $159 ball. The paranoia occupies the same performance level as the Forzas which are both 125. As a reminder, the original Forza was a "new core and cover tech from Motiv" which slotted under the primal rage on the performance chart (albeit different shape).
So yes, the price is surprising. If it replaced the primal Rage, it wouldn't be surprising.
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Idk but motiv does a great job, I'd support em, they're doing their best to stay in the USA, sign touring pros, giving young talent a shot. They signed a lot of local guy's around here,
Charge what u wanna charge, motiv, just make sure you're pumping out the good stuff!
Like I said storm better have a home run in a box with the phaze for me, or else I'm joining the AMF dude and going to motiv haha
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If no one buys them, then they will change their pricing philosophy. But if they are popular, then they are priced correctly.
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People buy lane 1 stuff and look at the price of that
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People buy lane 1 stuff and look at the price of that
Looks like the rest of the competition has joined the Lane 1 Price model (aside from the Difference). I do have to say though, the Panther series is the best top to bottom series I've ever owned. I will be drilling a Lady Buzzsaw in the coming weeks.
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If no one buys them, then they will change their pricing philosophy. But if they are popular, then they are priced correctly.
That's pretty much how I feel they're thinking. Motiv has become a popular name now, so I'm sure their future releases will also follow suit with an uptick in price
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>> I don't wanna sound like that ticked off AMF dude, but motiv is kinda big around here.
That "ticked off AMF dude" is going to a Motiv Test Drive at Royal Scot Lanes in Lansing on February 12th. I can't wait.
Well, I will see you there. I'm always at Royal Scot, and I've been dying to try out a new Motiv ball since my Raptor P7.
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This was posted a few hours ago. Johnathon Bower Motiv staffer.
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Hey guys! It's my first post here...hi! I was an enthusiast in the last 80's and am just now returning to the sport.
Regarding the pricing: IMO any conversation about pricinng being reasonable or not, in line with what the particular ball's place in the OEM's scheme is, etc. is all a tempest in a teapot. The fact is that there isn't a ball made that costs much more than $30 to manufacture (maybe none over that number). It should be obvious that it's _all_ marketing. The bottom line is this: bowlers will pay what they feel a ball is worth...that's what determines pricing, as there is no real intrinsic value in a ball that sells for $155 v. one that sells for $130.
I'm not saying this to bash anyone. Nobody is getting rich here. Anyone here have a pro shop guy who does just that for a living and has a couple vacation homes around the country and drives a variety of expensive sports cars? I kinda doubt it.
ANYway...I'm getting a Paranoia punched tomorrow...will report back!
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I thought it wasn't being released until March 9th?
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Hey guys! It's my first post here...hi! I was an enthusiast in the last 80's and am just now returning to the sport.
Regarding the pricing: IMO any conversation about pricinng being reasonable or not, in line with what the particular ball's place in the OEM's scheme is, etc. is all a tempest in a teapot. The fact is that there isn't a ball made that costs much more than $30 to manufacture (maybe none over that number). It should be obvious that it's _all_ marketing. The bottom line is this: bowlers will pay what they feel a ball is worth...that's what determines pricing, as there is no real intrinsic value in a ball that sells for $155 v. one that sells for $130.
I'm not saying this to bash anyone. Nobody is getting rich here. Anyone here have a pro shop guy who does just that for a living and has a couple vacation homes around the country and drives a variety of expensive sports cars? I kinda doubt it.
ANYway...I'm getting a Paranoia punched tomorrow...will report back!
Hi! Welcome to the forum!
Bowling ball pricing has always been a point of contention. The raw materials of the ball are only a fraction of what you are paying for when you buy one. Also figured in to the price will be marketing, R&D, and any other additional costs the manufacturer needs to include to turn a profit.
The Pro Shop Operators are frequently the 3rd step of the sales chain. So the manufacturer marks the ball up to the distributors, then the distributor needs to mark the ball up to the PSO, then the PSO marks it up to the end user. There needs to be enough room in the pricing to allow all levels to make some sort of profit.
The manufacturers are pricing based on what consumers are willing to pay. If everyone rebelled and literally stopped buying new bowling balls, the prices would come down slightly in response. However, there are hundreds of thousands of people each year that buy numerous bowling balls and are more than willing to pay the prices. There are bowlers up at the lanes where I bowl that pre-order every new ball and have it within days of release. Then 30-45 days later they do it all over again.
The current "high performance" technology will eventually make its way down into the mid and lower performance lines. It kind of shows that manufacturers can make a profit selling the higher tech at a lower price point.
My PSO's sole source of income is the Pro Shop. There is more to wealth and success than vacation homes and fast cars. There is also working in an industry you love, enjoying going to work each day and liking what you do while you are there, and being your own boss and controlling your own destiny. Having the opportunity to do that will make you richer than people who measure success purely based on material objects.
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I have mine already, but not drilled yet. Not sure where it will fit in my bag.
I can't see removing anything in my current set of Revolt Havoc, Sigma Sting(2000), Sigma Sting Polished and Octane Burn.
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Milo, I will be interested to hear how this ball rolls compared to your Stings!
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I thought it wasn't being released until March 9th?
Ya I got over there and found out that the display ball is actually my guy's staff pre-release stuff, so no go on the Paranoia. So, being the patient guy I am, I bought a Revolt Vengeance instead :)
As I mentioned, I'm just now getting back into the sport, so I'm still building my arsenal. Having been lucky enough to meet Glenn Wendel at Sidewinder Pro Shop in Lebanon, TN, I'm having a fun time doing just that. So far I've got a rebel Tank, Octane Burn, and the Revolt Vengeance. I haven't rolled the Revolt yet, but am hoping to sub on a league tonight, so I'll get to try it then.
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My Revolt Vengeance has been my go to ball since getting it three weeks ago. Bowled 699 with it last night as my team took all 9 points.
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If the phaze is a bust for me I'm going motiv. Lol this ball looks sweet
The Phaze looks like a pretty good ball. It looks pretty versatile. I know a guy using it on pretty dry lanes and I really thought he would have to put it away after 4 frames the first night because of the way it looked like it wanted to roll so early.. but it continued to get down the lane all night long and had great motion on the back.. The carry seemed really really good for some reason. Seems to get the 10 out on a lot of entry angles and high or light hits...
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Milo, I will be interested to hear how this ball rolls compared to your Stings!
I have used it in twice so far. I will use it with a surface adjustment tonight and give it another try, but as of now, I don't see why Motiv released this ball.
It's definitely not a replacement for the Sigma Sting. It does get more length but doesn't have near the down lane movement ability as the Sting nor does it seem to read the lane earlier with a release adjustment. I find it to be a decent ball for playing a tighter line inside when I need to move left, but I already have the Octane Burn which does that better.
Here are my final thoughts, if you already have the Forza Redline, there is no need to buy this ball. If you like the Forza Redline, but hate the bright yellow color, then this ball would an option.
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Thanks Milo. I am guessing that I would see something similar. I'm sure for those with more revs this ball will fit a need, but I need to avoid pearl with a higher RG core. For now I will stick with the sting for medium house conditions.