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Title: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: HighRevvin on January 20, 2020, 03:51:04 PM
Well I'll start off by saying I have an order in with my proshop to drill one of these up at their earliest convenience so there's no hesitation here on whether or not to pull the trigger.

I was finally pushed into one after being jammed in a corner where my Venom Recoil and Shock were forced too close to the friction on high volume patterns, struggling to get these into a roll. Normally my local THS patterns have played opposite, lot of friction and lighter units where it has been easy to create area. It doesn't help that many crankers in my league have jumped on the urethane craze creating even more "hold" while the house has changed the pattern. Specifically the Purple Hammer & Pitch Black.   

After conversing with bowlers this past weekend I couldn't held but post up their comparisons of the Tank to other urethane such as the Black Widow Urethane, Honey Badger Urethane, and Pitch Black. Their general outlook on these other higher flaring pieces is they still create carry down with their shells. The last thing I want to do is add to the mayhem. Any input? 
 
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: Impending Doom on January 20, 2020, 05:14:28 PM
From my very limited experience with it, it is nothing like urethane in that it will keep coming around the corner. I've been bowling since 3, so this is year 40 for me, and it's a unicorn reaction. Being able to keep that smooth urethane motion AND being able to move into the puddle? Big score.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: themagician on January 20, 2020, 10:02:35 PM
About the only thing it has in common with urethane is not soaking oil up fast. It rolls early, and keeps going, but because it's so early it sometimes is hard to get entry angle to score well with.

It absolutely is unique in reaction for me compared to anything else, i'm going to shine mine soon to see if I can make it a little more useable, but it really blends out the wall on the local house patterns in box finish to help grind when your other stuff is over/under.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 21, 2020, 10:19:08 AM
+1 on not being anything like urethane other than being super early.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: HighRevvin on January 21, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
My Recoil is sitting around 3000 and has been skating, welcoming the early roll.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 21, 2020, 12:40:53 PM
Having to go the other way and pick up a Covert Tank as need a pseudo urethane for the dry house.  Something not super early but has the control of urethane with less of the downsides (carry down, poor carry, roll-out, etc).  Super weak reactives like my Slingshot can give me over under especially now going to a four man league.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: HighRevvin on January 22, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
Again not a big urethane guy but I'm happy Motiv is making the effort to bridge the gap.

I've got a 2 ball tote I'll be loading up the Blitz and possibly a Covert Tank. Undecided at this point as the Recoil and VSP have been covering a variety of light to medium for me. If anything I'm missing bigger stuff in the bag.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: 2handedrook12 on January 22, 2020, 01:06:55 PM
Having to go the other way and pick up a Covert Tank as need a pseudo urethane for the dry house.  Something not super early but has the control of urethane with less of the downsides (carry down, poor carry, roll-out, etc).  Super weak reactives like my Slingshot can give me over under especially now going to a four man league.
Hopefully this isn't hijacking too much, but how is the transition on the Covert and Blitz? I'm really big on this area of ball reactions, so I have no doubt they would fit my game. However, based on how they transition the lane compared to other stuff will decide how I would drill them.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: Curt_Dupre on January 23, 2020, 09:19:23 AM
What is unique about the Covert Tank and Tank Blitz is the Microcell Polymer coverstock. The cover does absorb oil, but at a fraction of reactive resin. The second unique combo is that both blitzes have flaring cores in them. The Covert has the Torx Core and Blitz has the gear core. Basically what this all means is that you get a urethane type motion, but without messing up your teammates lines. These balls breakdown the lane just like resin, just not as fast. You will not get the urethane carry down at all. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: 2handedrook12 on January 23, 2020, 10:15:00 AM
What is unique about the Covert Tank and Tank Blitz is the Microcell Polymer coverstock. The cover does absorb oil, but at a fraction of reactive resin. The second unique combo is that both blitzes have flaring cores in them. The Covert has the Torx Core and Blitz has the gear core. Basically what this all means is that you get a urethane type motion, but without messing up your teammates lines. These balls breakdown the lane just like resin, just not as fast. You will not get the urethane carry down at all. Hope this helps.
I think this helps a ton to know. Sounds like it breaks the lane down in a similar fashion to low end reactives. Looking forward to trying them! Not sure which I'll end up with first, but I'm certain I'll at least get one! Good chance of adding both.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: Curt_Dupre on January 23, 2020, 03:38:14 PM
What is unique about the Covert Tank and Tank Blitz is the Microcell Polymer coverstock. The cover does absorb oil, but at a fraction of reactive resin. The second unique combo is that both blitzes have flaring cores in them. The Covert has the Torx Core and Blitz has the gear core. Basically what this all means is that you get a urethane type motion, but without messing up your teammates lines. These balls breakdown the lane just like resin, just not as fast. You will not get the urethane carry down at all. Hope this helps.
I think this helps a ton to know. Sounds like it breaks the lane down in a similar fashion to low end reactives. Looking forward to trying them! Not sure which I'll end up with first, but I'm certain I'll at least get one! Good chance of adding both.
It is crazy the difference in reaction between the Tank Blitz and Covert Tank. Once you get one, you will eventually want the other. Not often you get break through in cover technology, but Motiv has found something special with the microcell polymer. Let us know which one you get and how you like it.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: Impending Doom on January 23, 2020, 03:48:38 PM
What is unique about the Covert Tank and Tank Blitz is the Microcell Polymer coverstock. The cover does absorb oil, but at a fraction of reactive resin. The second unique combo is that both blitzes have flaring cores in them. The Covert has the Torx Core and Blitz has the gear core. Basically what this all means is that you get a urethane type motion, but without messing up your teammates lines. These balls breakdown the lane just like resin, just not as fast. You will not get the urethane carry down at all. Hope this helps.
I think this helps a ton to know. Sounds like it breaks the lane down in a similar fashion to low end reactives. Looking forward to trying them! Not sure which I'll end up with first, but I'm certain I'll at least get one! Good chance of adding both.
It is crazy the difference in reaction between the Tank Blitz and Covert Tank. Once you get one, you will eventually want the other. Not often you get break through in cover technology, but Motiv has found something special with the microcell polymer. Let us know which one you get and how you like it.

I'll agree with this. The Blitz was enough different from the Covert for me to justify them both in my bag.

For people like me who get trapped in tweener hell, they are going to be godsends.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: SVstar34 on January 23, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
I'll agree with this. The Blitz was enough different from the Covert for me to justify them both in my bag.

For people like me who get trapped in tweener hell, they are going to be godsends.

You have my attention with this. Tweener hell is terrible when I find it and the Blitz is actually what I've been looking at for a solution
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2020, 06:56:03 PM
Tweener hell take a Venom Shock the best ball Motiv has manufactured now in line-up 6 years and put a control drilling short pin with a control ball put a bit of surface on it (I use 2500 Mirlon Total in Sandbagger-touch up after every set) and you even out the over/under and crush the pocket.  Don't have to get too deep and it reads the house wall patterns very very well.  I really don't understand why more haven't figured this out by now.  House pattern killer! 
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 23, 2020, 07:37:38 PM
Venom Shock is simply too much ball in my league dry house.  Tried it already.  Have a strong feeling going to like the Covert more because yeah the Blitz is a ton of ball in general and doesn't really let me play my A game up the boards as much.  Don't regret buying it though as gives a motion no other ball does.  I bets its super sweet on a little heavier sport.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
Playing in the puddle on the majority of house shots for majority of bowlers that are multi-dimensional Shock is very usable.   Tank Blitz same weight block with stronger cover (Frixion+ Microcell Polymer which is resin even at 3000/4000 and not urethane) is more ball than a Shock especially OOB. 

Covert Tank being Frixion Microcell Polymer is more urethane like slower absorbtion rate with a short pin layout taken to 4000 spinner would be a in the track type use.

My stats. are in profile. 
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 23, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Playing in the puddle on the majority of house shots for majority of bowlers that are multi-dimensional Shock is very usable.   Tank Blitz same weight block with stronger cover (Frixion+ Microcell Polymer which is resin even at 3000/4000 and not urethane) is more ball than a Shock especially OOB. 

Covert Tank being Frixion Microcell Polymer is more urethane like slower absorbtion rate with a short pin layout taken to 4000 spinner would be a in the track type use.

My stats. are in profile.

Totally agree for the majority of house shots but actually like my Recoil a little more than my Shock (and both more than the Blitz).  Literally the only house in the area can't use my Shock or Recoil is also the one nearest work and where I bowl league.  Slingshots, Strike Kings and Power grooves are what people throw.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
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Slingshots, Strike Kings and Power grooves are what people throw.
Equals Thrill.

See ball guide which I think OOB is very accurate for strength of Motiv equipment.
http://www.motivbowling.com/ball-guide/

Total hook OOB. 
1.) Tank Blitz
2.)  Venom Recoil
3.)  Venom Shock
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: HighRevvin on January 23, 2020, 08:00:42 PM
Venom Shock Pearl if you can find one... Great midlane and control on hooking lanes
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: ignitebowling on January 23, 2020, 08:08:32 PM
Comparing a Blitz to modern or old urethane isn't even close. 

Watching videos online of people hooking the whole lane with the Blitz isn't urethane like.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 23, 2020, 08:10:26 PM
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Slingshots, Strike Kings and Power grooves are what people throw.
Equals Thrill.

See ball guide which I think OOB is very accurate for strength of Motiv equipment.
http://www.motivbowling.com/ball-guide/

Total hook OOB. 
1.) Tank Blitz
2.)  Venom Recoil
3.)  Venom Shock

Agree totally with this order as well (Blitz is a ton of friggin ball).  Yeah have plenty of high RG low diff weak reactives but over under can be an issue which hoping Covert can help with.  I need controlled back end more than I need entry angle.  Guess could look at a short pin to pap on one of them next if Covert doesn't work out. 
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: scotts33 on January 23, 2020, 08:27:49 PM
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Agree totally with this order as well.  Yeah have plenty of high RG weak reactives but over under can be an issue which hoping Covert can help with.  I need controlled back end more than I need entry angle.

Covert Tank layout needs to match up with your stats.  OOB it's a lot of ball but surface slows it down along with weaker cover.  I like Mike Magolan's 110*x1"x25* layout on his CT video for control OOB. 
I have a Thrill drilled relatively strong.  80*x4.50"x40*  OOB 5500 and using a forward roll under the ball release find it easy to control playing in the track on wet/dry house walls 12:1 40'.    If I add axis rotation then it could be an issue.   
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 24, 2020, 10:00:21 AM
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Agree totally with this order as well.  Yeah have plenty of high RG weak reactives but over under can be an issue which hoping Covert can help with.  I need controlled back end more than I need entry angle.

Covert Tank layout needs to match up with your stats.  OOB it's a lot of ball but surface slows it down along with weaker cover.  I like Mike Magolan's 110*x1"x25* layout on his CT video for control OOB. 
I have a Thrill drilled relatively strong.  80*x4.50"x40*  OOB 5500 and using a forward roll under the ball release find it easy to control playing in the track on wet/dry house walls 12:1 40'.    If I add axis rotation then it could be an issue.

Thanks for info (sorry for thread jack OP).  Good stuff.  Recovering spinner (also speed dominant) so generally avoid drill angles greater than 60 or ball will skid for 60' especially if reactive.  IIRC correctly PSO went 60*x4.5"x40* on Covert.  I would rather have midlane than backend (though wanted a little bit of pop for carry which core should give) for this house so if need to be further left so be it.  Looking forward to throwing it later today.  Have a fall back plan to use a Blue Hammer remake with some surface if need be.  The main thing I love about this Microcell cover stock is it doesn't seem to be as allergic to early friction it just stays in hook phase instead of immediately rolling forward.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: Impending Doom on January 24, 2020, 11:07:08 AM
I'm telling you guys. For the great Wall, I could Chuck the Covert at the gutter and it was nice and smooth, but never quit.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: scotts33 on January 24, 2020, 11:11:36 AM
I'm telling you guys. For the great Wall, I could Chuck the Covert at the gutter and it was nice and smooth, but never quit.

See "Recovering spinner (also speed dominant) " .  :)
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 24, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
I have to say after finally rolling it the Covert Tank is much closer to urethane than the Blitz (pretty much night and day).  It does get a fair amount of oil on the cover like urethane.  Its a little longer than the Purple Hammer and stronger but almost as smooth.  Carry is better but not way better.  The big difference though is its reaction got better as I bowled not worse like urethane.  The flare really does help.  Whoever said to let that ball lane shine is right on the money.  I probably don't have the hand to put up area codes with it but boy it sure covers for bad shots so probably won't put up stinkers either.  Super predictable.   Looks like I am ready for league starting back up next week. 
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: michael.willis9 on January 24, 2020, 04:28:54 PM
my buddy was asking me about the tank blitz last night, he throws motiv but he's got mostly the older stuff though.  and i laugh now because my comparison was the same as i'm reading from other people.  it rolls like a strong solid for me.  i don't see a urethane reaction.
Title: Re: Tank Blitz vs Other Modern Urethane
Post by: Geigs on February 14, 2020, 11:06:56 PM
Never been a big motiv guy. Until today when I threw my buddies covert tank. Wow! What a reaction on my wet dry house shot. Ball is so smooth with great continuation. I would rate it between my purple hammer and iq tour solid. The difference I see with this ball and urethane is covert tank is stronger in the puddle where for me my purple hammer will squirt out and with any carry down, forget it.  Covert tank is much better with carry down, and more versatile. Can’t wait to drill my own. My buddies was a pin way up, probably 5 1/2 pin to pap for me.. I was getting 2-3 inches flare.This should  be a good ball for nationals for me as well. Control all the way. Congrats to motiv, you have a winner here with the covert tank.