I'm only throwing Motiv now.  I ended up with more balls than I had before I switched.  I'm thinking that I don't need two of these. But when I look at it all of the balls really kind of fit.  Tell me what to get rid of or convince me I need all of these.


Raptor Talon - Rico - Sanded 500 Grit for flood
Primal Rage -  5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Covert Revolt - Leverage pin down. - Smooth early rolling
Sigma Sting -  4" pin to pap . pin in ring. Benchmark ball
Venom Shock- leverage pin down- smoother benchmark.  Step down from Covert
Octane -  5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
Ascent Pearl- polished - for dry
Rebel Tank -  pin at center grip. polished smooth hook on dry
Arctic Sniper- spare ball

it ssounds like you could get rid of the sigma sting and the arctic sniper and the rebel tank could double as a spare ball

Do you bowl any tournaments? Is there any overlap in your eyes?

Yes I bowl tournaments that are mainly on sport patterns.   I actually don't see many overlaps. If I can get my Primal Rage to be how I want, I think it should fit pretty well.  After hearing about the backend on the Tag, I bought that as a replacement for my Octane since the Octane is hit and miss. The Tag is no where close to the angularity and backend of my Octane on any condition. 

With your Marvel S, I don't see a need for the Covert Revolt in your bag. You could probably also do without the Tag and not have a huge gap between the Octane and Ascent. The Sigma Sting may be a bit of overlap as well, but mine is my favorite ball, so I would never be without it.

That's still a lot of balls to carry. You need one of those 8 ball rollers like Kip. 

Marvel -S is out.  I'm not going to have just one non-Motiv ball.. haha.  My Marvel-S was actually the ball that I always sanded to 500 and lower for floods.  I could handle a 3 ball roller, 3 ball tote ,and a two ball tote that held my odd balls.  I can't weld like Kip so I guess I'll just get another two ball tote. Tell me how many balls you have again so that I don't feel so bad.. haha

With your Marvel S, I don't see a need for the Covert Revolt in your bag. You could probably also do without the Tag and not have a huge gap between the Octane and Ascent. The Sigma Sting may be a bit of overlap as well, but mine is my favorite ball, so I would never be without it.

That's still a lot of balls to carry. You need one of those 8 ball rollers like Kip. 

I agree about the Tag. It is my least favorite ball that I have used the least.  With how polished my Octane is , I use it for a lighter oil step down from my Sting. 

I thought the Venom Shock might replace the Sting, but they are just different and the Sting may be that special.

I just got a majority of these so maybe I will fall in love with one over the other.  Haven't thrown the Talon.  The Covert does exactly what I wanted.  So does the Venom.  Don't care for the Primal Rage yet even though I went + 245 for 6 at Pacific.  Sting is awesome, Octane love/ hate.  Haven't tried it much with the new 1000 surface then polish.  Tag-- boo, but have used it with success. Ascent, so clean, just floats to where I want it to go.  Rebel Tank- Not sure yet., Arctic Sniper, I like it.

Quote from: milorafferty on July 23, 2015, 04:19:08 PM

Just Motiv or total? LOL

It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.

Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....

I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.


Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.

Quote from: milorafferty on July 23, 2015, 04:40:56 PM

Quote from: J_w73 on July 23, 2015, 04:36:50 PM

Quote from: milorafferty on July 23, 2015, 04:19:08 PM

Just Motiv or total? LOL

It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.

Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....

I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.


Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.

That is a pretty great price.  Considering my Rage is one of the few balls I bought new and I paid $245 after everything.  And I don't even like it that much.  I have to go to Stockton on Monday.  Maybe I will stop in and try to resist buying one. 

What is going on at Fireside?  Let us know how it works.

It's just a Match Club meet. Nothing of note.

Quote from: milorafferty on July 23, 2015, 04:40:56 PM

Quote from: J_w73 on July 23, 2015, 04:36:50 PM

Quote from: milorafferty on July 23, 2015, 04:19:08 PM

Just Motiv or total? LOL

It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.

Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....

I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.


Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.

Are u serious with the 159$ drilled?!?!?!?!

I'm very serious. I just spoke with him during lunch and he has sold more than a dozen already.