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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: J_w73 on July 23, 2015, 03:40:42 PM
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I'm only throwing Motiv now. I ended up with more balls than I had before I switched. I'm thinking that I don't need two of these. But when I look at it all of the balls really kind of fit. Tell me what to get rid of or convince me I need all of these.
Raptor Talon - Rico - Sanded 500 Grit for flood
Primal Rage - 5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Covert Revolt - Leverage pin down. - Smooth early rolling
Sigma Sting - 4" pin to pap . pin in ring. Benchmark ball
Venom Shock- leverage pin down- smoother benchmark. Step down from Covert
Octane - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
Ascent Pearl- polished - for dry
Rebel Tank - pin at center grip. polished smooth hook on dry
Arctic Sniper- spare ball
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Do you bowl any tournaments? Is there any overlap in your eyes?
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it ssounds like you could get rid of the sigma sting and the arctic sniper and the rebel tank could double as a spare ball
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With your Marvel S, I don't see a need for the Covert Revolt in your bag. You could probably also do without the Tag and not have a huge gap between the Octane and Ascent. The Sigma Sting may be a bit of overlap as well, but mine is my favorite ball, so I would never be without it.
That's still a lot of balls to carry. You need one of those 8 ball rollers like Kip. ;D
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Do you bowl any tournaments? Is there any overlap in your eyes?
Yes I bowl tournaments that are mainly on sport patterns. I actually don't see many overlaps. If I can get my Primal Rage to be how I want, I think it should fit pretty well. After hearing about the backend on the Tag, I bought that as a replacement for my Octane since the Octane is hit and miss. The Tag is no where close to the angularity and backend of my Octane on any condition.
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it ssounds like you could get rid of the sigma sting and the arctic sniper and the rebel tank could double as a spare ball
That is how I ended up with the two extra. I got the Arctic Sniper and drilled it with the PBA plastic ball layout for use on super dry and spares. Then the rebel tanks came out.
So of course I got it. :)
And then I couldn't find a Raptor Talon so I was going to go with a sanded Covert, but then I found a used Talon.
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With your Marvel S, I don't see a need for the Covert Revolt in your bag. You could probably also do without the Tag and not have a huge gap between the Octane and Ascent. The Sigma Sting may be a bit of overlap as well, but mine is my favorite ball, so I would never be without it.
That's still a lot of balls to carry. You need one of those 8 ball rollers like Kip. ;D
Marvel -S is out. I'm not going to have just one non-Motiv ball.. haha. My Marvel-S was actually the ball that I always sanded to 500 and lower for floods. I could handle a 3 ball roller, 3 ball tote ,and a two ball tote that held my odd balls. I can't weld like Kip so I guess I'll just get another two ball tote. Tell me how many balls you have again so that I don't feel so bad.. haha
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With your Marvel S, I don't see a need for the Covert Revolt in your bag. You could probably also do without the Tag and not have a huge gap between the Octane and Ascent. The Sigma Sting may be a bit of overlap as well, but mine is my favorite ball, so I would never be without it.
That's still a lot of balls to carry. You need one of those 8 ball rollers like Kip. ;D
Marvel -S is out. I'm not going to have just one non-Motiv ball.. haha. My Marvel-S was actually the ball that I always sanded to 500 and lower for floods. I could handle a 3 ball roller, 3 ball tote ,and a two ball tote that held my odd balls. I can't weld like Kip so I guess I'll just get another two ball tote. Tell me how many balls you have again so that I don't feel so bad.. haha
Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
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With your Marvel S, I don't see a need for the Covert Revolt in your bag. You could probably also do without the Tag and not have a huge gap between the Octane and Ascent. The Sigma Sting may be a bit of overlap as well, but mine is my favorite ball, so I would never be without it.
That's still a lot of balls to carry. You need one of those 8 ball rollers like Kip. ;D
I agree about the Tag. It is my least favorite ball that I have used the least. With how polished my Octane is , I use it for a lighter oil step down from my Sting.
I thought the Venom Shock might replace the Sting, but they are just different and the Sting may be that special.
I just got a majority of these so maybe I will fall in love with one over the other. Haven't thrown the Talon. The Covert does exactly what I wanted. So does the Venom. Don't care for the Primal Rage yet even though I went + 245 for 6 at Pacific. Sting is awesome, Octane love/ hate. Haven't tried it much with the new 1000 surface then polish. Tag-- boo, but have used it with success. Ascent, so clean, just floats to where I want it to go. Rebel Tank- Not sure yet., Arctic Sniper, I like it.
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Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....
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Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....
I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.
Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.
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Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....
I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.
Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.
That is a pretty great price. Considering my Rage is one of the few balls I bought new and I paid $245 after everything. And I don't even like it that much. I have to go to Stockton on Monday. Maybe I will stop in and try to resist buying one.
What is going on at Fireside? Let us know how it works.
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Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....
I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.
Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.
That is a pretty great price. Considering my Rage is one of the few balls I bought new and I paid $245 after everything. And I don't even like it that much. I have to go to Stockton on Monday. Maybe I will stop in and try to resist buying one.
What is going on at Fireside? Let us know how it works.
It's just a Match Club meet. Nothing of note.
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Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....
I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.
Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.
Are u serious with the 159$ drilled?!?!?!?!
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Just Motiv or total? LOL
It's got to be tough to get rid of that Marvel S. It rolls really well for you. I guess the Covert Revolt would be the closest thing in the Motiv line to it though.
Doesn't roll well enough to make a cut.....
I have a Primal Rage Remix drilled, but have not thrown it yet. Maybe this weekend at Fireside, but everyone tells me it's awesome.
Larry at West Lane is selling them for $159 drilled including finger grips, thumb slug or Vise IT base. Hard to beat that price.
Are u serious with the 159$ drilled?!?!?!?!
I'm very serious. I just spoke with him during lunch and he has sold more than a dozen already.
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Wow what's the business hours?? I might swing by soon.
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Wow what's the business hours?? I might swing by soon.
He is there from 11 AM until 7:30/8 PM M-F and 12 to 6 or so on Saturdays. Closed on Sunday.
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I'm only throwing Motiv now. I ended up with more balls than I had before I switched. I'm thinking that I don't need two of these. But when I look at it all of the balls really kind of fit. Tell me what to get rid of or convince me I need all of these.
Raptor Talon - Rico - Sanded 500 Grit for flood
Primal Rage - 5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Covert Revolt - Leverage pin down. - Smooth early rolling
Sigma Sting - 4" pin to pap . pin in ring. Benchmark ball
Venom Shock- leverage pin down- smoother benchmark. Step down from Covert
Octane - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
Ascent Pearl- polished - for dry
Rebel Tank - pin at center grip. polished smooth hook on dry
Arctic Sniper- spare ball
I can't speak for all of the balls in your list, but below is my experience of the balls I do have....
Primal Rage - 5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Best ball in your list :)
Octane - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
I have one and wouldn't buy it again :(
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
I have one and gotta agree with you there :)
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Not a lot of love for the Tag. Amazes me because the ball has been money for me! Both I have drilled are excellent, with surface and polish. The only thing I see common with people who don't like it is 5 inch to pap or longer.
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Not a lot of love for the Tag. Amazes me because the ball has been money for me! Both I have drilled are excellent, with surface and polish. The only thing I see common with people who don't like it is 5 inch to pap or longer.
My Tag is 3 1/2 to PAP but still don't like it very well.
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Not a lot of love for the Tag. Amazes me because the ball has been money for me! Both I have drilled are excellent, with surface and polish. The only thing I see common with people who don't like it is 5 inch to pap or longer.
How is yours drilled? I was thinking of popping a flare increasing hole in it to see what it did.
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Primal Rage - 5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Best ball in your list :)
Octane - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
I have one and wouldn't buy it again :(
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
I have one and gotta agree with you there :)
I'm surprised Motiv has had the Octane on the v active ball list as long as they have. I know 2 1/2 people that like it.. And I'm the 1/2
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Not a lot of love for the Tag. Amazes me because the ball has been money for me! Both I have drilled are excellent, with surface and polish. The only thing I see common with people who don't like it is 5 inch to pap or longer.
How is yours drilled? I was thinking of popping a flare increasing hole in it to see what it did.
His drillings are in his post just a couple or so postsabove this one.
I am thinking that one has the pin under fingers and the other is over fingers with his favorite of the two being the one with pin under the fingers, but I could be wrong there.
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The 33/4pin to pap pin under(4000) is great on my fresh heavier ths and the 43/4 pin over 500/4000 polished is great on my light ths or when the first ths breaks down. I can say I don't like any of Motivs ob surfaces. They always seem over under for me, and I mean all of them. So I hit with a pad to what surfaceS work for me on the conditions I want them on and have had much better luck with all of their releases I have.
I also have p3 holes in both also.
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Anyone actually want to post their actual stats. (mine are in my profile) on their posts to know what you are about and also the lane condition you are rolling on? Speed needs to be stated as off hand or on backend.
I believe folks get to wrapped up in what ball works for them when they aren't even in the same ball park as the next poster. To compare apples to apples we would need stats. and what lane condition you even think you are bowling on. Bowlers that bowl 5 man leagues at say 39' THS wet/dry THS wall 225 revs 19.5 mph off hand can't compare to a bowler than bowls a 3 person league on 42' blended 400 recv 17 mph off hand.
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16mph. 26 tilt. 45/60 rotation. 350 revs
House 1. Ths, 4 man league. 25ml 40 ft
House 2. ths, 4 mixed. 19ml. 39ft
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16mph. 26 tilt. 45/60 rotation. 350 revs
House 1. Ths, 4 man league. 25ml 40 ft
House 2. ths, 4 mixed. 19ml. 39ft
Good for you vkowalski1970. And it's not just this post but all posts trying compare ball to ball and poster to poster. I know what can work for me so I work that out with my driller not posters on an internet forum. :)
BTW....vkowalski1970 I am going drill a Tag soon (inside use not down and in) for later on burnt conditions not for fresh as that is what my Shock is for light-medium.
Here's one guy that likes his Tag and says good things about what he saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_AEtV9Yo4c
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I think you need to add a forza to the rotation ;)
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I think you need to add a forza to the rotation ;)
haha.. thanks... It was between the Forza and Shock. I went with the Shock. Now with the new Forza, who knows.
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I can't speak for all of the balls in your list, but below is my experience of the balls I do have....
Primal Rage - 5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Best ball in your list :)
Octane - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
I have one and wouldn't buy it again :(
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
I have one and gotta agree with you there :)
I didn't care for my Primal rage but I just put a double thumb weight hole in it and I think I turned it into the ball it is supposed to be. The ball actually reads the lane and makes a strong move to the pocket. Just on the edge of being what I would call angular. Before it didn't really do much on the backend. It is a night and day difference between how it was before.
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I just got the Tag and tried it out yesterday. So far I love it. Length with a big backend. I can't believe how far down the lane it goes before it makes a left turn. Mine is drilled 5 inches to pap above the fingers.
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The Octane is by far my least favorite. I rarely ever use it. I have many more choices. As I read I see that I am not the only one. I do not understand why it is still in their line.
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The Octane is by far my least favorite. I rarely ever use it. I have many more choices. As I read I see that I am not the only one. I do not understand why it is still in their line.
Freddy, for those that have the Octane, the Octane is almost everyone's least favorite including myself. However, since my getting the TAG, at the moment it is a toss-up which is worse, but that could change as I am going to make a change on my TAG and see if it helps.
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The Octane is by far my least favorite. I rarely ever use it. I have many more choices. As I read I see that I am not the only one. I do not understand why it is still in their line.
I was wondering the same thing. Motiv has had it in their line up for a while now. There are many other balls that have come and gone that didn't have as much hatred.
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The Octane is by far my least favorite. I rarely ever use it. I have many more choices. As I read I see that I am not the only one. I do not understand why it is still in their line.
I was wondering the same thing. Motiv has had it in their line up for a while now. There are many other balls that have come and gone that didn't have as much hatred.
+1 ........
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They might be waiting until the Redline is released to get rid of the Octane. Need something to fill that slot.
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My opinion of the dislike of octane and tag. IMHO. Motive ball motions have been very smooth in comparison to some other manufacturers. These two balls are really the most "snappy" and "angular" of the line up. Most of the balls that have been listed as angular are still smoother than others out. So I think the motion for the motiv faithful is just way different than everything else.
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My opinion of the dislike of octane and tag. IMHO. Motive ball motions have been very smooth in comparison to some other manufacturers. These two balls are really the most "snappy" and "angular" of the line up. Most of the balls that have been listed as angular are still smoother than others out. So I think the motion for the motiv faithful is just way different than everything else.
My Octane was "snappy and angular" before changing the surface a few times to get it somewhat workable and now it still moves hard but not snappy.... Now as for the TAG, it never has been snappy and angular out of the box nor today after a couple surface changes to it. In fact out of the box, it would go thru the break point and only "wink" a wee bit and on drier conditions wouldn't do anything at all. I have slower speed and revs on the low side of medium and that may be some of the problem, I don't know. However my style works great with the Rage, Thrash Frenzy and Primal Scream. Those 3 balls are second to none for me.
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I think the angular balls don't always match up well on some styles. If your rotation angle at release is high (come off the side of the ball a lot), then these balls will be VERY snappy for you. Just like the other side of the lineup - say Forza - may not move enough for people who come straight up the back of the ball.
Know your release stats and match up your arsenal accordingly.
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I think the angular balls don't always match up well on some styles. If your rotation angle at release is high (come off the side of the ball a lot), then these balls will be VERY snappy for you. Just like the other side of the lineup - say Forza - may not move enough for people who come straight up the back of the ball.
Know your release stats and match up your arsenal accordingly.
Good post!
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I think the angular balls don't always match up well on some styles. If your rotation angle at release is high (come off the side of the ball a lot), then these balls will be VERY snappy for you. Just like the other side of the lineup - say Forza - may not move enough for people who come straight up the back of the ball.
Know your release stats and match up your arsenal accordingly.
You could very well be right as I don't come off the side nearly as much as I wish I could.
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I think the angular balls don't always match up well on some styles. If your rotation angle at release is high (come off the side of the ball a lot), then these balls will be VERY snappy for you. Just like the other side of the lineup - say Forza - may not move enough for people who come straight up the back of the ball.
Know your release stats and match up your arsenal accordingly.
I do agree with what you are saying, but I tried the TAG again last night and it just wasn't there. I could change my release and speed and get every other ball to do what I wanted. The TAG is just an odd bird for me. Ball touches oil and it does nothing. Worse than my Octane. Hit dry and also does nothing really. Right now I think it will be the ball I'm getting rid of if I'm eliminating something. Going to change the surface and see if that helps and then maybe put a hole in it to see what that does for it.
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I can't speak for all of the balls in your list, but below is my experience of the balls I do have....
Primal Rage - 5" pin to PAP above fingers- Not as angular as I would like. Need to add a weight hole
Best ball in your list :)
Octane - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - polished to get through heads- most angular ball I have for deep inside.
I have one and wouldn't buy it again :(
Graffiti Tag - 5" pin to PAP above fingers - ball doesn't really do much
I have one and gotta agree with you there :)
I didn't care for my Primal rage but I just put a double thumb weight hole in it and I think I turned it into the ball it is supposed to be. The ball actually reads the lane and makes a strong move to the pocket. Just on the edge of being what I would call angular. Before it didn't really do much on the backend. It is a night and day difference between how it was before.
Tossed the Primal Rage last night while practicing and I have to say that I am liking the ball more and more. I think it fits right where it should now. Still getting used to the motion but the ball seems to scatter the pins really well when you hit the pocket.
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I think the angular balls don't always match up well on some styles. If your rotation angle at release is high (come off the side of the ball a lot), then these balls will be VERY snappy for you. Just like the other side of the lineup - say Forza - may not move enough for people who come straight up the back of the ball.
Know your release stats and match up your arsenal accordingly.
I do agree with what you are saying, but I tried the TAG again last night and it just wasn't there. I could change my release and speed and get every other ball to do what I wanted. The TAG is just an odd bird for me. Ball touches oil and it does nothing. Worse than my Octane. Hit dry and also does nothing really. Right now I think it will be the ball I'm getting rid of if I'm eliminating something. Going to change the surface and see if that helps and then maybe put a hole in it to see what that does for it.
Try 2000 grit Siaair or 2500 grit with a NEAT pad. It doesn't make the ball "snappy and angular", but does make it playable on some conditions even though there are better balls for those conditions. Anyhow that is how it worked for me.
As soon as my back gets better where I can bowl again, I am going to make a change to my grip of which I hope will help me get a wee bit more side roll on the ball. Nothing to lose in trying that.