Post by: walt8398 on April 04, 2009, 02:49:42 PM
Just wanted to let you know, VMSBT will be running the 2nd Annual Baltimore/Washington Summer Scratch Classic again at BRC Perry Lanes August 15-16, 2009 paying $3,000 1st place GUARANTEED. Last year we had 139 entries and we expect that number to increase this year. Just like last year, I will be taking reservations via the website: http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html and you can also view the flyer for the event there as well: http://www.vmsbt.com/BWSSC_2009.pdf
I will also have the pattern up on the website as soon as I determine which pattern I want to use. As some of you may know, I’m a big fan of Kegel patterns and we will have another one this year.
• Entry fee: $140 ($115 prize fund, $20 lineage, $5 expenses) payable by CASH ONLY
• Survival boards: $10/ea (Starting games 2, 4 and 6)
• High game pot: $40 (covers all 8 games of qualifying)
• Winner Take All (WTA): $10 (Game 8 ONLY)
• Brackets: $5/ea (3 sets) Starting games 2, 4 and 6
• High Game of Day (Included in entry fee)
• High Senior out of the money prize (50 and over bowlers)
• High Female out of the money prize
THE LANES WILL BE STRIPPED AND RE-OILED AFTER THE 9AM SQUAD.
Please pass the word along about this great event to all your friends. We are only taking 88 bowlers per squad.
Looking forward to getting those reservations.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Edited on 7/21/2009 10:09 AM
Post by: walt8398 on April 06, 2009, 02:07:20 PM
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on April 08, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
So if you want a preview of what it's going to play like, come and bowl the May 31st event.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on April 10, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
I have decided to go with Kegel's "Middle Road" pattern. As stated before, I will be putting this down on May 31st for the monthly VMSBT event at Perry Hall Lanes.
BTW - We are up to 30 entries for the 2009 B/W SSC tournament.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on April 13, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on April 30, 2009, 07:37:49 PM
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on May 13, 2009, 08:23:49 PM
Don't forget that I am putting down the pattern for my monthly VMSBT event on May 31st at Perry Hall Lanes. We are going to use the 8 game total wood format.
This will give you guys a real good look as to what it will play like in August.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on May 28, 2009, 09:57:49 PM
I am sending out a note to let everyone know I am changing the pattern for Sunday and this summer’s B/W Summer Scratch Classic. I had a chance to bowl on it and had various other bowlers with different styles bowl on it as well. It didn’t hold up as well as it did at Ft. Meade. So, it’s back to the drawing board on the pattern. I am still putting down one of the patterns that I am considering this Sunday to see how it holds up.
I will keep everyone informed as to what I will put down on the website.
See everyone on Sunday.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on June 03, 2009, 09:50:56 AM
Post by: walt8398 on June 03, 2009, 02:58:30 PM
) when Kegel did the lanes/patterns for the PBA 6 years ago. We had it one year for the regional at AMF CC. Very fair on both sides as I recall because both left and right had to play from the same angle on their respective sides.--------------------
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Edited on 6/3/2009 3:10 PM
Post by: jet0832 on June 03, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
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If you've got a left hand, don't be a lefty hater. Just switch and join the party. Otherwise keep on grinding with the other crisscrossers.
Post by: walt8398 on June 04, 2009, 07:43:19 AM
I know right! LOL... I have to keep you guys on your toes. I figured we could get 8 games in on a nice pattern. We'll be done by 1:30 then we can all head to our respective BBQs.
Sounds like a great plan to me!
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on June 15, 2009, 02:14:35 PM
Come on out and get a sneak peak!
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Tony Walton
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Post by: Mike L on June 15, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on June 15, 2009, 02:22:55 PM
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Edited on 6/15/2009 2:23 PM
Post by: Mike L on June 15, 2009, 02:52:21 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on June 16, 2009, 10:21:38 AM
I'll reserve the tougher sport patterns for the monthly VMSBTs. One thing I've learned from bowling in various events is that if you make them too tough, you will kill it. I too don't mind a grind out but bowlers like us are in the minority.
..... This year's pattern will be fair and hopefully the scores won't be too high but still VERY VERY playable. Last year it took plus 184 to make match-play (20th) and plus 154 for a check (27th). I would like to see both numbers lowered by 50 pins. My main goal is to keep 'em fair. Both sides play from the same angle.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: Mike L on June 16, 2009, 10:43:31 AM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on June 16, 2009, 11:09:49 AM
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Post by: Donald Trump on June 16, 2009, 11:39:17 AM
Post by: Mike L on June 16, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on June 16, 2009, 12:46:04 PM
No, Chip hasn't signed up yet. He is probably trying to decide which event to bowl. There is a regional in Middletown, DE the same weekend as my event. The regional is 65+ miles away (PBA rule is 50 miles I believe) so no PBA members will get fined if they bowl my event.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on June 17, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
quote:
That's all Lint and Mullin did on the left was shell down and stay left. Mullin threw a Tornado all day out there.
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Tony,
You do realize what you said in that statement above, that the lefties shelled down and stayed left....um, do they really ever move right of 10?
I wonder what it would be like if the lefties had to play 4th arrow? Another discussion for another topic.
I am looking forward to the tournament this year and hope I can get an opportunity to do as well as I did last year. I don't plan on making the same mistakes, so if you give me the gutter again "I'll be all over it like a spider monkey"
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: Mike L on June 17, 2009, 12:51:35 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: Donald Trump on June 17, 2009, 04:28:41 PM
You do realize what you said in that statement above, that the lefties shelled down and stayed left....um, do they really ever move right of 10?
I wonder what it would be like if the lefties had to play 4th arrow? Another discussion for another topic.
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Stephen Hahn
So true. Name me one, just one left hander who has ever thrown it over the 4th arrow in a tournament or even during league for that matter. All left handers in league go down 5, doesn't matter what style or rotation. It is just sickening!
Post by: DP3 on June 17, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on June 17, 2009, 10:39:43 PM
quote:
Any lefty playing 4th arrow would have to be classified as an idiot because 4th arrow and 2nd arrow are the first thing the righties try to erase with a dry sponge at the first sign of oil.
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. I wouldn't be as harsh
but a potentional problem I see with forcing both sides to play in is that if there is an OB, then the righties will immediately go to too much shell and will blow the middles up, thus changing the intent of the pattern. Sure, the pattern will force both sides to play them a certain way for PBA and experienced amateurs, but for your average tournament the locals can cause havoc.
Post by: Mike L on June 18, 2009, 09:32:55 AM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on June 19, 2009, 09:46:18 AM
I bowled on the pattern Wednesday and it will play inside. I could only get to about maybe 9/10 and even then I had to dead "pure" every shot. There is DEFINITE OB on both sides from 8 out on this pattern. I did have a lefty bowl on it and he had good look kinda "slow wheeling" 15 to 10. The right played the same way and I predict it will get better as the day goes. The straight player had a good look going up 12. This pattern succeeds at making both sides play left/right of the second arrow, which is what I want.
Mr. Hahn - No flaming gutter on either side this year!
I'm going on record now and saying, THIS IS THE PATTERN THAT I'M GOING TO USE.
I'm really anxious to see how you guys play it on July 4th.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Post by: Mike L on June 19, 2009, 10:43:32 AM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on June 19, 2009, 10:58:30 AM
I see you have jokes!
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Tony Walton
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Post by: Donald Trump on June 19, 2009, 01:40:57 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 07, 2009, 09:01:45 PM
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on July 09, 2009, 11:11:00 PM
Residence Inn - White Marsh
4980 Mercantile Rd
Baltimore, MD
(410) 933-9554
FairField Inn & Suites
8477 Cordon Way
Baltimore, MD
(410) 933-9797
Hampton Inn - White Marsh
8225 Town Center Drive
Baltimore, MD
(410) 931-2200
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on July 12, 2009, 03:47:46 PM
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Tony Walton
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 12, 2009, 06:27:55 PM
What takes you so long to update vmbst.com? Didn't you have a tournament in June?
Donnie
Post by: walt8398 on July 12, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
June's results are up. I need to put July 4th's results up there.
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Post by: Mike L on July 13, 2009, 12:09:47 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on July 14, 2009, 09:27:51 PM
I am also pleased to announce that Roto Grip will be the Ball Giveaway sponsor for this year's B/W Summer Scratch Classic.
1st place $3,000.00
2nd place $1,500.00
3rd place $1,200.00
4th place $1,100.00
5th place $1,000.00
6th place $900.00
7th place $850.00
8th place $800.00
9th place $700.00
10th place $650.00
11th place $600.00
12th place $575.00
13th place $550.00
14th place $525.00
15th place $500.00
16th place $475.00
17th place $450.00
18th place $425.00
19th place $400.00
20th place $375.00
21st place $250.00
22nd place $250.00
23rd place $250.00
24th place $250.00
25th place $250.00
26th place $200.00
27th place $200.00
Hgh Sr Out $130.00
Hgh Female $130.00
Hgh Gm Overall $200.00
Total paid out $18,680.00
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Edited on 7/14/2009 9:35 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 17, 2009, 10:01:04 AM
I am working with the center to offer a free practice session on the pattern in the coming weeks just like I did last year. It will more than likely be on a Saturday.
Stay tuned.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Edited on 7/17/2009 3:16 PM
Edited on 7/17/2009 3:16 PM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 17, 2009, 03:12:04 PM
If you want to score on this pattern, sand all of your balls and play up the gutter. LMAO
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Post by: walt8398 on July 17, 2009, 03:15:16 PM
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Post by: walt8398 on July 20, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
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Tony Walton
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on July 21, 2009, 06:16:11 AM
Looking at the cashers, it's pretty clear that the shot will play inside. The real treat is that there is going to be twice as many bowlers on the pattern so the breakdown from pair to pair could be interesting.
Will the lanes be re-oiled for the 2nd shift? I may have missed the answer but I didn't see it on here or on the flyer.
Thanks.
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: walt8398 on July 21, 2009, 10:03:44 AM
Everybody will get to bowl on the fresh!
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Post by: walt8398 on July 21, 2009, 01:48:54 PM
I will be sending out an email blast for this as well.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: jet0832 on July 22, 2009, 05:23:39 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 22, 2009, 11:18:54 PM
You looked pretty good playing in from the port side at Parkland. I knew you had it in you!
BTW, nice bowling on Sunday.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 23, 2009, 12:35:12 PM
Which Kegel pattern are we using?
Post by: ctk4life on July 23, 2009, 01:40:27 PM
You should tell everyone what pattern or how many feet or what ever it is that people want to hear and come the day of the tournament have it the complete opposite LOLOL......
What is it with people and wanting to know what they bowl on??? All that amounts from it is one of the following:
A) This doesn't play anything like....
B) It was walled on the left side....
C) This isn't fair for the field....
What happened to people showing up at the bowl, putting shoes on and taking advantage of the 15 minutes of practice that we get?? I guess I am just out of my element for thinking like this.
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on July 23, 2009, 01:59:10 PM
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Post by: walt8398 on July 23, 2009, 02:35:42 PM
We aren't full. Go to: http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html to register.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: walt8398 on July 25, 2009, 04:49:04 PM
Entries are picking up from the NJ/NY area this week. It looks like people really like being able to re-enter and the 9:30am squad is filling. To all of my local folks who are watching this thread.... "Get your reservations in now for the 9am squad!"
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Post by: Donald Trump on July 27, 2009, 06:19:32 AM
Post by: walt8398 on July 29, 2009, 08:48:41 PM
The link for the pattern is up on the website under the registration page.
I'm really looking forward to seeing those that bowled last year and some of the new bowlers that have never bowled in one of my events before.
Remember, we do accept re-entries if you want to bowl again.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: jet0832 on July 30, 2009, 09:46:15 AM
Thanks
Joe T
Post by: ctk4life on July 30, 2009, 01:06:54 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 30, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
I didn't give his entry fee back because his re-entry is just another entry and that $115 went into the prize fund. He understood that before he bowled the second squad.
You can only make the finals and or cash once in this event.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Edited on 7/30/2009 1:21 PM
Post by: Mike L on July 30, 2009, 01:36:53 PM
How many entries are you up to Tony?
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on July 30, 2009, 01:46:53 PM
Mike L - We are about the same as last year. We may get some strays from the regional in DE that bowled the first squad and didn't make it on the 4:30pm squad. We are only about 1hr and 20 minutes from the regional.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on July 31, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: Mike L on July 31, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
Btw nice draw in Nats Super Brackets for you and Petty, unreal. I felt the same way last year about it, highly disappointed
quote:
Looks like I will be bringing my TURBO again this trip based on the pattern!
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Edited on 7/31/2009 12:20 PM
Post by: walt8398 on July 31, 2009, 12:22:47 PM
If you can get that Turbo to work on that pattern, I will create a special award for you!
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Tony Walton
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 01, 2009, 05:51:40 AM
(HINT: The OB is there to stay, just avoid like the flu!)
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Post by: Robert Rowe III on August 01, 2009, 03:50:27 PM
Best of luck to you and I have no doubt you will be putting on another great tournament this year!
Post by: walt8398 on August 03, 2009, 07:57:37 AM
We are less than 2 weeks away from the 2nd Annual B/W Summer Scratch Classic. Things are REALLY shaping up for this tournament and I'm really excited to see the talented field that will no doubt be assembled at Perry Hall Lanes.
For those that follow this thread and haven't entered yet, "What are you waiting for?"
..... I had more good ideas about next year's event already. Not at liberty to talk about them just yet but if things pan out the way we want, NEXT YEAR'S EVENT WILL BE "UNBELIEVABLE".@ RR3 - Thanks for the well wishes and I am glad you are getting back to competing again. We need ALL of our talented local bowlers to come out and support the events in our area.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
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Edited on 8/3/2009 7:59 AM
Post by: walt8398 on August 03, 2009, 11:01:47 AM
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Post by: walt8398 on August 03, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
Sorry for any confusion.
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 05, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
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Bakes...Why is the 9-pin standing?
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Post by: walt8398 on August 07, 2009, 06:57:40 PM
Things are shaping up nicely. Also, I know this is a walk-in tournament but if you are planning on bowling.... RESERVE YOUR SPOT. Once the spots I have for walk-ins are taken, THAT'S IT. I have heard from a few members that are bowling the A squad in Middletown, DE are going to come down for the 4:30pm squad if they don't qualify for the finals.
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Tony Walton
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Post by: Mike L on August 09, 2009, 06:02:36 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on August 10, 2009, 10:34:53 AM
Guys & Girls, this years' event is going to be really good.
Looking forward to seeing all of you this weekend.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 12, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
Judging from the names on both squads, this field is STRONG!
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 13, 2009, 08:56:37 AM
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Bakes...Why is the 9-pin standing?
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Post by: walt8398 on August 13, 2009, 09:39:44 AM
Are those your strike socks?
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Post by: Mike L on August 13, 2009, 12:58:31 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on August 13, 2009, 04:08:25 PM
BRC Perry Hall Lanes is being gracious and putting the shot down from 5pm-8pm tomorrow (8/14). For those that are participating and may be in the area, please feel free to come and bowl on it. I will be there with my shoes on.
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Tony Walton
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 13, 2009, 08:31:54 PM
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Bakes...Why is the 9-pin standing?
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Post by: Mike L on August 14, 2009, 09:56:33 AM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: Mike L on August 14, 2009, 10:49:54 AM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: walt8398 on August 14, 2009, 01:06:03 PM
Your just a straight up "BALLER"!
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Post by: ctk4life on August 17, 2009, 07:41:14 AM
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 17, 2009, 07:47:33 AM
Shawn McKee from North Carolina second
Leading qualifer Ray Smarsh +161 I think.
Low to make match play +49
Low to cash +32
p.s. - sorry for any mispelled names.
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Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 17, 2009, 07:57:26 AM
- Tony Bennett, MA
- Shawn McKee, NC
- Rich Jerome, Baltimore
- Jim Thomas, NY
- Keith Poppiti, DE
The 9th and final game of matchplay was entertaining as Shawn was in 4th and ran off the first 6 as he made a run for the title. Shawn ended with 254 which forced Tony to fill the 10th to win. To give you an idea of how tight the standings were, Poppiti went from 3rd to 9th game 8 and then rebounded with a 248 to jump from 9th to 5th the final game.
Another great tournament!!!
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 17, 2009, 07:57:59 AM
Tony Bennett
Shawn McKee
Mike McDonnell
Stephen Hahn
Matt O'Grady
Samantha Williams
Kevin Kelly
Chris Durst
Rich Jerome Jr
Alex Cavagnaro
Chuck Tillman
Cheouun To
Jerred Poff
Joe Arruro
Keith Popetti
Ray Smarsh
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 17, 2009, 08:04:16 AM
No matter where you are in the standings, you always have a chance of getting to the top with the 50 bonus pins. It definitely makes for an exciting finals.
Great Job to Tony and his staff....they were on top of all scores and even with a couple lane breakdowns they overcame and kept everything running smoothly, and I mean smoothly....I don't recall a single moment where I was in question of bracket postings or standings. This was by far the best tournament Tony has ran with the amount of bowlers and brackets, sidepots, and eliminators involved.
"Golf Clap"
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Post by: Donald Trump on August 17, 2009, 08:55:10 AM
I think with re-entries allowed and the right weekend every 3 months you could easily get 100-150 entries Tony.
The bowlers want one big tournament every quarter Tony. Make it happen! Take a poll (4 big tournaments or 9 small and 1 big) and see what the results would be.
Post by: Mike L on August 17, 2009, 09:41:32 AM
The conditions were very demanding and you had to catch a break or 2 as well. Great Event!
For those that are interested and for the regional guys, please take a look at this prize fund and keep in mind its only $140 and they had 337 total brackets plus side pots.
1st $3000.00
2nd $1500.00
3rd $1200.00
4th $1100.00
5th $1000.00
6th $900.00
7th $850.00
8th $800.00
9th $750.00
10th $700.00
11th $650.00
12th $600.00
13th $575.00
14th $550.00
15th $525.00
16th $500.00
17th $475.00
18th $450.00
19th $425.00
20th $400.00 FINALS +49
21st $260.00
22nd $260.00
23rd $260.00
24th $260.00
25th $260.00
26th $260.00
27th $240.00
28th $240.00
29th $240.00 LOW TO CASH +32
High sr out $140.00
High Female out $140.00
Someone please find me a prize fund that can even compare to this!
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Post by: superlefty800 on August 17, 2009, 10:38:54 AM
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Post by: ctk4life on August 17, 2009, 11:10:22 AM
Post by: Donald Trump on August 17, 2009, 11:24:44 AM
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Donald Trump....The reason the prize fund was so good was because there was added money. There is no guarantee that the people/businesses that added money would able to do it 3 or 4 times a year. Plus the year of build up and promoting helps make the tournament keep getting 140 plus entries each year.
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I certainly see your point however if you break down the payout to money taken in, we’re talking roughly $19,500 paid out. Either cut the pay ratio down or lower 3rd through 20th slightly and you could have almost a similar prize fund assuming you get the same lineage deal without added money (I’m sure there will still be some added money) but if not 150 entries will still allow a little over $18,000 in the prize fund.
No reason why you cannot do it quarterly based off of the $140 entry fee. 4 times a year definitely does not flood the market and pays a lot better than a regional would that costs nearly twice as much.
Post by: superlefty800 on August 17, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
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Post by: superlefty800 on August 17, 2009, 11:27:02 AM
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Post by: ctk4life on August 17, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
Also, with the success Tony has had at running these tournaments as well as the entries from all over, other people might be apt to duplicate or even donate to his tournament so essentially there could be quarterly tournaments such as this
Post by: Beaker300 on August 17, 2009, 01:21:37 PM
Post by: ctk4life on August 17, 2009, 01:33:53 PM
Post by: walt8398 on August 17, 2009, 05:24:22 PM
Thanks for the compliments and I am glad you guys enjoyed it. I have a great group to work with and I couldn't do this tournament without their assistance.
What a great finish, huh? Two years in a row, it came down to the tenth frame for the winner to be determined. I love round robin match-play and the 50 bonus pins really puts a premium on winning matches. Some think 50 is too much. You only have 9 games to catch the leader instead of 16 or 24. The bowler that qualified 20th was 112 pins from the leader. That's only 2 wins from making that up. He or she should feel like they have a chance to win. THE LEAD CHANGED 7 OUT OF 9 GAMES OF MATCH-PLAY!
IMHO, you can't ask for better equity than that. As far as running BW SSC 4 times a year, I disagree. The fact that it is only once a year is what makes it SPECIAL. I use the TNBA Rhodman (which is held in March) as my deadline to get things organized. I am able to promote the event for 5 months at various events that I compete in as well. Time to promote and send out emails is PARAMOUNT. 40 Boards starts promoting Opposites Attract almost a year in advance. That has resulted in their entries to grow every year (65 plus doubles teams in '09).
Now for the "Pink Elephant" in the room. We bowled on Kegel's Beaten Path pattern this past weekend. I really didn't expect the finals and cash numbers to be what they were (plus 49 and plus 32 respectively). IMO, I felt the pattern was VERY FAIR left to right. Given the angle that you had to play, being able to tilt the ball on the back was VERY IMPORTANT. Ray Smarsh totally showed that "STRAIGHT WAS GREAT" from the inside angle as he lead qualifying with plus 161. The eventual winner (Tony Bennett) hooked it but he was VERY straight through the front part of the lane. I think anybody that bowled this past weekend will tell you that if you looped the front part of the lane, YOU PAID THE PRICE. I checked the numbers and squad equity was 100%. 10 bowlers from 9:30am and 10 bowlers from 4:30pm made the match-play finals.
Last but not least, I want to thank YOU GUYS (bowlers) that really made this tournament a success. UNTIL NEXT YEAR!
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Tony Walton
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Edited on 8/17/2009 5:26 PM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 17, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
You absolutely cannot run a tournament like that 4 times a year. Do they run the Tournament of Champions more than once a season? Nope, it would not be that special tournament folks look towards. Please understand that if it were run multiple times a year, some of those out of state entries would pick and choose when to come so the entries would go down. As it stands, the bowlers know that come August, it's time to bowl BWSSC!!!
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 17, 2009, 09:53:21 PM
This is the first tournament in a long time where 3 games over 200 could make you good money in brackets. Alot of times if you're not shooting 220-230 a game, you can kiss brackets goodbye. Here, if you shooot a solid mid-high 190 you had a super chance of getting through some of your brackets.
The shot was great on both sides regardless of where you played or had to play, you had to catch a few breaks and make a lot of spares. Striking was not as easy so missing a spare or two made it that much harder to get to 200 thus, making it fair. This was truly a tournament that placed more emphasis on shot making and spare shooting than coming in and throwing it like Stevie Wonder.
Great job again to you and your staff.
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Post by: Donald Trump on August 18, 2009, 07:53:35 AM
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While I agree and somewhat disagree what if other TD's put on their own version of Tony's? Would that not cause for entries to maintain at each venue? I am just wondering because if the intake is positive maybe we can make it possible. Tony's tournament was awesome and if there were more like it I think we would see a rampant growth. Who knows what could amount.......
Exactly my point. What if 5 other people try something like this. In your alls opinions that would be saturating the tournament market. You cannot prevent them from doing it so why not do it a few more times per year in a manner people enjoy and respect. At least twice a year. Upwards to 4 times per year IMHO.
Post by: walt8398 on August 18, 2009, 07:56:21 AM
I will also post pictures on my FaceBook page from the tournament as well. Again, thanks to everyone that participated, passed along a flyer, sent an email about this event or just said something by word of mouth. THANKS YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
I am looking forward to next year's event already!
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Post by: wabullets on August 18, 2009, 09:16:24 AM
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While I agree and somewhat disagree what if other TD's put on their own version of Tony's? Would that not cause for entries to maintain at each venue? I am just wondering because if the intake is positive maybe we can make it possible. Tony's tournament was awesome and if there were more like it I think we would see a rampant growth. Who knows what could amount.......
Exactly my point. What if 5 other people try something like this. In your alls opinions that would be saturating the tournament market. You cannot prevent them from doing it so why not do it a few more times per year in a manner people enjoy and respect. At least twice a year. Upwards to 4 times per year IMHO.
You sort of already have that.
Jeff and his Opposite Attracts in June
Darnell had his in July
Tony has his in August.
Yvette has hers at Greenway I think in October
Jim Smith Big One draws well in Late Dec.
Bull Run's Red Eye sells out in late Jan.
Leisure's Super Bowl Sunday Tournament draws really well in Feb.
Rhodman in March.
Right there you have 8 "annual" tournaments in 8 different months. Not all if any are in the payout category of the BWSSC but they are 8 once a year tournaments that draw pretty well, pay pretty well (better than the average monthly tournaments), that people are there for those once a year events more so than the monthly options of VMSBT, 40 Boards, RT, Jim Smith.
Now we need we just need to get April, May, Sept and November filled
Edited on 8/18/2009 9:17 AM
Post by: BackToBasics on August 18, 2009, 09:41:10 AM
The BWSSC was extremely well run and the shot was tricky but playable. Like Walton said, you could hook it as long as you played them straight through the fronts. You had to take advantage of the pairs where you had a little room and make up ground and just hang on and fill frames on the tricky pairs.
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 18, 2009, 10:55:03 AM
What I am hearing is that folks want to bowl for what they call BIG MONEY! Raise your hand if you make $125/hr at work after taxes...In case you don't know, that means you make $250K/year. That's what winning $500 in 4 hours of bowling equals. And if you want to bowl for the big pay days, are you willing to kick out the extra money to enter once a month?
There are two schools of thought when it comes to a bigger prize fund when there are no sponsors in sight. Either charge more to bowl or grow the field. A bigger field is a better answer since most of us are not millionaires. So where are the bowlers? The answer I like best, “I don’t come because there aren’t enough people.†Money Bags is a great example, since people have asked me “Why do they draw so many people?†If you have ever been to a MBST event, take a look around and note all of the faces you don't know or NEVER see at other tournaments. I am glad they have tapped into a new source, potentially a few of those bowlers might venture out to bowl other tournaments.
Entries are affected by bowlers using what I call “hand-holding†when it comes to bowling tournaments. Joe Bowler will never go to a tournament alone but if some of his crew is going, they are all in! TNBA is an excellent example with an excessively high expense line, pots aren’t paid back at 100% and the prize fund is not that great. Does that stop folks from going, no sir. Joe Bowler’s friends are going and Joe doesn’t want to be left out so he goes. Maybe if Joe Bowler decides to go, that will start a ripple affect as his friends will now want to go. Truthfully, until we stop hand-holding to make a decision, the entries are going to suffer.
40 Boards could easily pay more up top. If you have not looked closely at our prize fund, we try to pay low to cash 2x the entry. Why? How many people can win any given tournament? One! I cannot tell you how many times we've heard, "WOW! I get that much." Spending $100 between your entry & pots and cashing for $60 will not keep your bowling funds alive. Even at Opposites Attract, it cost $300 to enter and the smallest check we handed out was $600 while first took home $4,000.
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Edited on 8/18/2009 10:58 AM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 18, 2009, 11:12:05 AM
Of those asking for more tournaments, did you bowl BWSSC? Some of you I know the answer since I know your screen name or you actually sign your name to your post.
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Post by: Donald Trump on August 18, 2009, 11:43:44 AM
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QUESTION???
Of those asking for more tournaments, did you bowl BWSSC? Some of you I know the answer since I know your screen name or you actually sign your name to your post.
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Yep!
Post by: walt8398 on August 18, 2009, 12:40:32 PM
I am ready to pass the plate around after that sermon!
... Can I get an AMEN! Trump - You can't knock the monthly events. Some folks just don't have the $140 plus bracket money, etc. Some folks are still getting their feet wet with tournament bowling. I can't tell you how many bowlers have come out to VMSBT & 40 Boards to "cut their teeth" and then venture out into other scratch events. You still need those events to pickup bowlers either who have never heard of the respective tours or are building themselves up to bowl with higher calibur bowlers.
$285 is an awfully expensive lesson for a non-member to learn with the pros in a regional. 40 Boards, VMSBT & Triple Threat offer tournaments that will or have featured various patterns at a much cheaper entry than $285.
I do see your line of thinking but just can't see the concept of 4 BWSSCs a year being very successful.
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Post by: Donald Trump on August 18, 2009, 03:26:10 PM
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I am ready to pass the plate around after that sermon!
Trump - You can't knock the monthly events. Some folks just don't have the $140 plus bracket money, etc. Some folks are still getting their feet wet with tournament bowling. I can't tell you how many bowlers have come out to VMSBT & 40 Boards to "cut their teeth" and then venture out into other scratch events. You still need those events to pickup bowlers either who have never heard of the respective tours or are building themselves up to bowl with higher calibur bowlers.
$285 is an awfully expensive lesson for a non-member to learn with the pros in a regional. 40 Boards, VMSBT & Triple Threat offer tournaments that will or have featured various patterns at a much cheaper entry than $285.
I do see your line of thinking but just can't see the concept of 4 BWSSCs a year being very successful.
I totally see your point Tony. Not knocking the regular monthly events at all. Just saying with the big events you don't have to win for a decent ROI.
I would bowl 4 of your monthly events before every bowling a regional and would recommend others to do the same as well. $285 for a non-member is ridiculous!
I still think you should consider 2 Big events a year so us boys from NY would have something good to look forward to every 6 months. We don't mind driving as you already know!
Thanks for seeing my line of thinking. I'm usually always right!
Edited on 8/18/2009 3:44 PM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 19, 2009, 10:56:43 AM
Since you are in NY, you do have two big tournaments to look towards. January you have Carolier and then August you have BWSSC. Don't know if you came to Opposites Attract but there were plenty of folks receiving that ROI you are seeking. -)
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Post by: walt8398 on August 20, 2009, 10:36:35 AM
There will be some changes next year.
#1 NO LONGER ANNOUNCING PATTERN AHEAD OF TIME. I will post the pattern at the tournament site before the 9:30am squad starts.
#2 Venue change.... STAY TUNED
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Post by: ctk4life on August 20, 2009, 01:09:09 PM
Why the change of venue?
Post by: walt8398 on August 20, 2009, 01:42:32 PM
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