Post by: walt8398 on March 09, 2008, 11:23:29 AM
Tournament format:
• Entry fee will be $140 ($120 prize fund, $20 lineage) CASH ONLY
• Cash ratio 1:5
• (2) 8 game qualifying squads (9am & 4:30pm). Re-oil after 9am squad. (Re-entries will be permitted on the 4:30pm squad if space is available) Pins carry over from qualifying
• Finalists will come back on Sunday (8/24) for 7 games of round robin match-play. 50 bonus pins for every match won. The 7th game will be a position round game. The bowler with the highest total pinfall with bonus pins will be the tournament champion.
Brackets, survival boards (aka eliminators), high game pots, high game of the day and a last game (8th game) pot. We will also give the top 2 bowlers on each squad a Columbia300 ball (courtesy of Columbia300) and pay high senior (50 and over) & high female out of the money prizes.
I will be working with the center on a pattern that will allow all styles to be in play. The pattern will be posted on our website (www.vmsbt.com) once it is determined.
We have to limit qualifying squads to 88 bowlers per squad due to Perry Hall’s large Rock & Bowl turnout after the 4:30pm squad is done. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMAIL OR CALL ME TO RESERVE YOUR SPOT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. DON’T GET SHUT OUT OF THIS EVENT!
Email: vmsbt@comcast.net
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on March 10, 2008, 05:59:56 PM
Getting some reservations already and keep 'em coming.
I would just like to add that when you email to reserve a spot, please let me know which squad you would like to reserve (9am or 4:30pm).Also, after much consideration I am changing rule #1 regarding PBA members. Members who will be exempt for the upcoming '08-'09 PBA season are INELIGIBLE.
See everyone at the Rhodman this weekend.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 3/10/2008 7:56 PM
Post by: walt8398 on March 11, 2008, 10:36:39 AM
http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on March 17, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
We have 52 total reservations so far for this event. Even though the tournament is couple of months away, people are making sure they have a spot reserved and some have chosen to pay for their entries. I am also accepting payment at any of the upcoming VMSBT events as well.
If you want to reserve a spot, please visit: http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on March 22, 2008, 08:48:38 PM
We are approaching 70 reserved entries. I know the tournament is 4 months away but don't delay... Reserve your spot.
http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 3/22/2008 9:17 PM
Post by: The SuperHitMan on March 22, 2008, 08:57:21 PM
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Post by: walt8398 on April 03, 2008, 07:59:21 PM
We are now at 80 entries and counting. Both squads are filling equally.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on April 13, 2008, 07:39:44 PM
We're at 90 now.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on April 30, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
We are at 105 entries and counting. That leaves only 71 spots left. Get yours reserved today. http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html
Also, I'm going to post the tournament pattern on my website this month. So stay tuned.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on May 14, 2008, 03:59:54 PM
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Post by: walt8398 on May 22, 2008, 09:38:21 AM
We are now above the 110 entry mark. Entries are starting to come in from the NJ/NY area. Local (all of my NCABA & GBBA) bowlers, don't get shut out. There are roughly about 60 or so spots left. I have to be firm on the 176 entry max due to the center needing their lanes for cosmic open play after the 4:30pm squad ends. BEING ON STANDBY WILL NOT BE FUN.
I will have the pattern posted on the website after this weekend.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 5/22/2008 9:38 AM
Post by: walt8398 on May 31, 2008, 02:11:37 PM
We are now at the 120+ entry mark for the event. Still waiting on my local folks to "represent" the area. The 9am squad is just about full and the 4:30pm squad is 65% full. If you would like to reserve a spot, please visit: http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html
As promised, I've posted the pattern for the tournament on the website. Please visit: http://www.vmsbt.com/Official_2008_BW_SSC_Pattern.pdf
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on June 19, 2008, 08:47:42 AM
There are only 35 spots left in the tournament. I'm glad to see more local bowlers starting to enter (you guys had me worried!
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on June 24, 2008, 01:26:46 PM
The 9am squad is now closed. There are only 30 spots left for this event.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on July 15, 2008, 10:15:38 PM
There are only 15 spots left in the tournament (all on the 4:30pm squad). For those of you that are entered, I will be sending out a reminder email detailing the side action and a list of hotels in the area.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on July 16, 2008, 11:18:13 PM
Hilton Garden Inn-White Marsh
5015 Campbell Boulevard
Baltimore, MD 21236
(410) 427-0600
1.9 miles from the lanes
Hampton Inn White Marsh
8225 Town Center Drive
Baltimore, MD 21236
(410) 931-2200
2 miles from the lanes
Fairfield Inn & Suites Baltimore White Marsh
8477 Cordon Way
Nottingham, MD 21236
(410) 933-9797
1.6 miles from the lanes
Comfort Inn
8801 Loch Raven Blvd
Towson, MD 21286
(410) 882-0900
4.6 miles from the lanes
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 7/17/2008 6:28 AM
Edited on 7/17/2008 8:24 AM
Post by: walt8398 on August 01, 2008, 06:59:43 PM
I have opened up another pair on both squads, which gives me 4 more spots on each squad. As of today I have 3 spots left on both the 9am & 4:30pm squads. If you are interested in bowling, please email me at vmsbt@comcast.net.
Also, here is what the side action (optionals) will be for the event. You have about 3 weeks to save up your allowance!
• $5/ea (Brackets, 4 sets - Games 2-4, 4-6, 5-7, 6-8)
• $10/ea (Survival/Eliminator boards – Beginning Games 2, 4, 5, 6) ONLY 1 ENTRY PER SURVIVAL BOARD
• $40 High game jackpots (covers all 8 games of qualifying)
• $5 Last Game Pot (Game 8 only)
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 08, 2008, 11:46:31 AM
Just wanted clear up a question I have been getting for the last 2 weeks or so. As it states on the flyer, I will be paying 1:5 overall (total number of entries from both squads). Also, 1:7 overall (total number of entries from both squads) will advance to the match-play portion of the tournament on Sunday (8/24 @ 9am) for 7 games of round robin match-play.
For example, if everyone shows (180 entries) I will pay 36 total spots and advance 24 bowlers to the match-play round. 24 finalists + 12 low to cash spots makes up the 36 spots being paid at the 1:5 ratio as advertised.
Also, I'm going to test the pattern again this coming Friday (8/15) at Perry Hall Lanes. If anyone wants to come out and get a preview of it, let me know so I can clear it with management to do a few extra pairs.
I'm excited for the 23rd and I hope everyone that has signed up to bowl is as well.
We have bowlers coming from NC/VA/MD/DC/PA/NJ/NY/CT. Whoever is crowned the winner of this event will have certainly earned it against a very strong and accomplished field.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 8/8/2008 11:47 AM
Edited on 8/8/2008 12:03 PM
Post by: Bill Thomas on August 09, 2008, 10:04:45 AM
Do you have a roster posted anywhere?
Post by: walt8398 on August 09, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
No I do not.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 09, 2008, 11:15:49 AM
Alston Thomas
Alston, Sr Rodney
Baker Jeff
Ball Howard
Bell Darnell
Best , III Eugene
Bever Brian
Bocstic Scott
Bolden Nate
Bonang Jonathan
Boone Eric
Britt Tony
Brown, Jr Cliff
Bucey Richard
Calhoun Tony
Casey Richard
Caster Lloyd
Cavey Brian
Chambliss Kendrick
Chapman Anthony
Coates Nicole
Coleman Trent
Coleman Chris
Darden Ira
Davis Bobby
Dean Devin
DelGalvio Joe
Dickerson Demitri
Eardley Brian
Elder Brian
Ellis Albert
Farlow Omar
Farrar Danny
Gilyeat Colin
Given Eddie
Given Mike
Hans Chris
Henderson Ricky
Hollen Bruce
Hoppert Fritz
Johnson Chris
Jones DeAndre
Kelly Kevin
Kennell Scott
Kessler Timothy
King Allen
Lane Kenny
Leonard Mike
Lewis Justin
Lewis William
Lindsay Chris
Lint Troy
Lowe, Jr Kenny
Markle Dick
McDaniel Chris
McDonnell Mike
McGainey Pat
McGhee, Jr Fred
McGrath Brian
McPherson Mike
Moon Brandon
Mullin Mike
Nelson Marcus
Norman Samuel
Payne Derek
Pereira Karla
Poppitti Keith
Ripley William
Robbins Kelly
Schaden Dan
Scott Melvin
Sellers, Jimmy
Senko Greg
Simms, Jr Ronald
Snyder Emily
Snyder Dominick
Solomon Kevin
Spiro Michael
Spriggs Ernest
Strickland Michael
Taylor Norbert
Taylor Bill
Tillman Chuck
Tremper Joe
Turner Greg
Walton Lisa
Washington Joe
Watson Louis
Wheeler Tony
White K.C.
Whitehead Anthony
Whitney Ryan
Wiggins Warren
Williams Samantha
Wilson Barry
4:30pm Squad
Aiello Shawn
Alvez Dave
Asbury Billy
Asbury David
Ashlock Lamont
Baker Lindsay
Bennett Chrissy
Bever Brian
Blackmore Chris
Brosius Lee
Burch Gerald
Burke Purvis
Caruso Mike
Cavey Brian
Chapman Kelly
Chetti Len
Chiarella Steve
Clark Alfonzo
Collins Ryan
Collins Damion
Collins, Jr Oliver
Colston David G.
Cordy Keith
Dacheaux, III Skip
Decker Lindy
DelGavio Joe
Dickinson Randy
Dorsey Tony
Durst Chris
Faulcon Lee
Ford Yvette
Frisoli, Jr John
Gray Kevin
Hahn Stephen
Hall, II Bobby
Hartzell Kyle
Heller Mark
Hendricks Joe
Holmes, Jr Lee
Howard Marcus
Humbach Ed
Hurst Andrew
Inches Bob
Isaac Alfonzo
Jackson Lorenzo
James Herschel
Jamison Chappy
Jenkins Alton
Jerome Rich
Jones Dave
Jones Bobby
Kurrent Jack
Lane Kenny
Lopez Gee
Lopez B-Bop
Marshall D.J.
Marshall Howard
McDaniels Mike
McDuffie Darryl
McKenna Mike
McPherson Eric
Nazelrod Joe
Papee Supachai
Parks Michael
Poff Jarred
Pyle Don
Quaty Chris
Raines Erv
Ripley William
Robar Chris
Roberts Larry
Royal R.J.
Santalucia J.D.
Schriner Danny
Schroyer Stan
Shaw Ken
Stanley Derrick
Stanley Gary
Steward Don
Stocks Michael
Thomas Jim
Turner Aesha
Vigliotti Anthony
Watts Greg
Weaver Jason
Webster Money
Welbon Jonathan
Werner Dave
Whisman Michael
Willis Willie
Young Bill
Updated 8/13/08
***This roster could change before the start of the tournament***
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 8/9/2008 12:38 PM
Edited on 8/9/2008 2:26 PM
Edited on 8/13/2008 6:24 PM
Edited on 8/18/2008 7:59 AM
Post by: walt8398 on August 10, 2008, 06:39:49 PM
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 11, 2008, 12:38:48 PM
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 12, 2008, 09:10:04 AM
It's ProAnvilane. It's a REALLY HARD surface. I've been bowling for 30+ years and I've never seen a surface this hard before. It's the Brunswick surface without the markers down the lane at the 10th & 15th boards.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Edited on 8/12/2008 9:11 AM
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 12, 2008, 09:17:24 AM
Good to see the B'695 guys are scheduled to bowl.
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k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
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The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: OG1 on August 12, 2008, 09:42:10 AM
......... jeff or tony any idea who won the brunswick summer challange?
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Did they run the oil machine? Was there any oil in it.....
Post by: walt8398 on August 12, 2008, 09:56:45 AM
Put your name on the check? You got it!
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Phoneman on August 12, 2008, 10:09:20 AM
The winner was Yannaphon Larpapharat from Thailand. Second was Mike Rose Jr from Rochester, NY. Third and fourth were Gary Shultis from Levittown NY and Tim Gillick from Milford, CT.
The sweeper winner was Chris Werner from Rochester, NY and runner-up was last year’s champion, Dan Maclelland from Saginaw, MI.
Post by: OG1 on August 12, 2008, 10:10:08 AM
thanks
quote:
Here are the results you are looking for
The winner was Yannaphon Larpapharat from Thailand. Second was Mike Rose Jr from Rochester, NY. Third and fourth were Gary Shultis from Levittown NY and Tim Gillick from Milford, CT.
The sweeper winner was Chris Werner from Rochester, NY and runner-up was last year’s champion, Dan Maclelland from Saginaw, MI.
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Did they run the oil machine? Was there any oil in it.....
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 12, 2008, 12:45:39 PM
Hope your tournament is going to produce numbers like this....
July 30, 2008
Ko Whittington bowled 23 strikes in a row last night with his new Track Up-Rising. He finished the night with an 878 series (300-299-279), creating a new house record at the Brunswick Perry Hall Lanes and a tie for the Greater Baltimore Bowling Association record.
Brian Bennett, the team sub, also bowled with the Up-Rising. Finishing the night with an 823 series.
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: walt8398 on August 12, 2008, 01:04:03 PM
Uh NO!
.... The middle of the Broadway pattern doesn't even come close the ratio of Perry Hall's house shot! I would need to call OPEC to reach that ratio on the Broadway pattern. (LOL) I anticipate the scores will be medium to high. With the ratio being as low as it is in the middle (4.5:1), THERE WILL BE NO EXXON SPILL to push off of.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: dogman666 on August 12, 2008, 01:17:25 PM
Post by: walt8398 on August 12, 2008, 01:40:47 PM
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 12, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
The Broadway can step right in front of my bus and I'll gladly run it over and back up on it to make sure it's dead!!! LMAO
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
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The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: walt8398 on August 13, 2008, 01:00:18 PM
Don't forget. Tomorrow I am testing the pattern at BZ Perry Hall from 2pm-4pm. If you can make it during this time of day you are welcome to bowl on it.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 14, 2008, 12:21:51 PM
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: walt8398 on August 14, 2008, 10:43:44 PM
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 18, 2008, 08:57:20 AM
If there are open spots on the 4:30pm squad and some of you from the 9am squad want to re-enter, keep in mind you can only CASH ONCE and your highest score will be taken.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 19, 2008, 01:02:36 PM
We have created an area on the VMSBT website with the roster as well. After Saturday's qualifying is done, I 'll have the cut score (finals and low to cash numbers) posted in the same area. http://www.vmsbt.com/BW-Roster.html
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 20, 2008, 11:01:21 AM
Please visit: http://www.vmsbt.com/BW-Roster.html
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 20, 2008, 05:44:42 PM
I have had a couple of cancellations for the 9am squad. If anyone is interesetd in bowling, I have 4 spots on the 9am squad. Please contact me at vmsbt@comcast.net or call (240) 593-3654
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 22, 2008, 11:11:41 AM
The time is now!
Get you favorite pieces cleaned and shoes shined 'cause it's time to lace 'em up and see who will win the 2008 B/W Summer Scratch Challenge. I want to thank all of you who are participating this year and for those who help spread the word. For those not participating this year, I hope to see you next year in the 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Challenge. Once again, this is the side action that will be available:
• $5/ea (Brackets, 4 sets - Games 2-4, 4-6, 5-7, 6-8)
• $10/ea (Survival/Eliminator boards – Beginning Games 2, 4, 5, 6) ONLY 1 ENTRY PER SURVIVAL BOARD
• $40 High game jackpots (covers all 8 games of qualifying)
• $5 Last Game Pot (Game 8 only)
Also, I still have spots available for the 9am squad.
See everyone tomorrow at BZ Perry Hall Lanes.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Bill Thomas on August 24, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
Post by: walt8398 on August 24, 2008, 06:55:13 PM
224 for the finals and 219 aren't "carry contest" numbers. IMHO, 235 avg is CARRY CONTEST.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 24, 2008, 06:56:15 PM
The results should be posted soon on my website.
http://www.vmsbt.com
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mike L on August 24, 2008, 07:02:39 PM
Now if we can somehow fix that left side problem for the finals next year. Good thing they didn't have that look on saturday or I might have dropped a buck or two lol
Once again just like to say thanks for a well ran tournament guys!
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: 9orbetter on August 24, 2008, 07:19:08 PM
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Post by: GOLF IS BETTER on August 24, 2008, 08:20:25 PM
Sounds like every 2 months could draw the interest that everyone is looking for and allows for a much better prize fund.
12 VMSBT tournaments is way too much each year with the decline in bowlings interest and the economy.
Post by: walt8398 on August 24, 2008, 08:21:00 PM
Not even going to put my head in the sand on the left/right issue.
Not going to deny that the ratio of lefties in the finals were skewed. But it was what it was. You guys know that I try to keep it fair. Next year's pattern will be just as fair but different. I'm glad you guys enjoyed your experience and as always, I accept feedback that will make things better. Since I have a year to plan, I'm going to try to get additional monies and see if we can get to $4k or $5k next year. Thanks again to all of those who particpated in this year's event.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 24, 2008, 08:23:44 PM
VMSBT only runs Jan-May and September-October. We haven't run 12 events in the last 2 years.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mike L on August 24, 2008, 09:40:16 PM
Trust me I know theres nothing that can ever be done about the left/right issue, like you said it is what it is, it happens.
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 24, 2008, 09:46:09 PM
When you have a field of good bowlers bowling on something they can identify, you will see some striking going on. Ask the many bowlers who did not strike how easy they were. They were so easy that you had bowlers going more then minus 200 during qualifying. Those bowlers who actually bowl tournaments realize this tournament was far from a shootout.
Golf is Better - I love your viewpoint to run "bigger" events and scrap the monthly tournaments but that would absolutely kill what just happened. VMSBT is $80 to bowl each month and it gives "bowlers" something competitive to bowl. Not to mention, the $3K came from some sponsors so paying $3K every other month is not as easy as it sounds. People always say there is no money at local events, to give you all an idea, it's nothing in a year for an tournament organization to pay $100,000 to it's competitors.
Hopefully you have been supporting the local tournament scene and helping it grow by either bowling or spreading the word about tournaments.
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The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: Dbum on August 24, 2008, 10:03:09 PM
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Darnell "DBum" Bell
Post by: cgilyeat on August 25, 2008, 05:14:54 AM
Colin
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 07:38:54 AM
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k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
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The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 08:11:20 AM
I took some time thinking about what to say before writing this reply. First, thank you Tony for running this tournament. It is unfortunate that the final standings ended the way they did with 7 out of the top 11 being lefties, but it is what it is and everyone had to throw the ball.
I will put my perspective on how I feel I should've played the lanes differently from Day 1 and hopefully the righties will see what I saw.
The Broadway pattern is 37' - that is only 2 feet longer than the Cheetah which to me means you have to get the ball to the gutter to score well. I took that mindset with me on Day 1, used a ball that was a little stronger than what I would use on the Cheetah and shot 1976 for the day.
Day 2 - the shot was reacting a little stronger than on Day 1. So I did what most righties would do, either play with a weaker piece or move left and play the shot a little deeper. WRONG ANSWER! This is what I found myself doing and saw most of the righties doing, throwing something longer (PIN to PAP) or weaker (COVERSTOCK). Everyone seemed to forget that this was only 37' and 2 feet longer than the Cheetah, you still needed to get the ball to the gutter!
The point I'm trying to make is that the lefties are accumstomed to playing the track and left of the track, they rarely have to play the patterns deep so in my mind they took full advantage of the free hook that was to the left for them which was there for the righties we just didn't see it because we're so accustomed to moving left and playing drier patterns deep.
At the end of game 3, I woke up and moved my breakpoint back out to 3/4, I shot 120 over for the next 4 and had I done that games 1-3 I might have been able to win a couple more matches.
The goal of this post is by far NOT to give lefties more credit than they deserve
, but to hopefully give the righties that were bowling some information for thought the next time we are up against a condition/situation like this so we maybe can turn the standing around and have it the way it should be, 7 out of the top 11 being right-handers!! Congratulations to all the bowlers who made it to match play. I'm sure at one point there was some adversity that all of us had to overcome in order to get to the finals, so be proud of yourselves for getting through that and making it as far as you did in a field of 140 bowlers.
Hats off to Troy and Mike for bascially running away with the 1/2 spots. Those gentlemen bowled extremely well.
To all the lefties - we'll meet again!
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 08:25:30 AM
Great bowling Chris, glad to see you make it up here, good seeing you.--------------------
Stephen Hahn
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 08:27:47 AM
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: walt8398 on August 25, 2008, 08:37:37 AM
What a great assessment. IMHO, that is what makes that pattern good. If it had that added push in the middle, it now becomes a HOUSE SHOT. Kegel's trademark is having patterns where the oil line drops off therefore forcing you to play the pattern the correct way.
Thank you for your kind words. You know as well as I do, what it takes to put on an event. I already have a list of potential sponsors for next year to boost the prize fund more. Again, nice bowling this weekend.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 09:21:21 AM
Here is the other observation. On Sunday, there were obviously less bowlers. Therefore, all the people during qualifying squads that were playing deep created hold for the guys like me who were playing right.
Because there were less righties doing that, the hold area didn't get created til late game 4 early game 5, whereas on Saturday it was there by game 3.
The only thing I can say is that nothing was awarded to me for being the overall leader after qualifying. I know you gave balls out to the squad leaders but in my opinion, I would've given the balls out to the top two non-cashers and given a monetary award to the squad leaders.
Maybe splitting up that HIGH GAME OF THE DAY prize between the squad leaders - because you're already paying out a HIGH Game Pot.
Just my thoughts....
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 09:23:07 AM
http://www.vmsbt.com/2008_BW_SSC_Results.pdf
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: walt8398 on August 25, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
I will SERIOUSLY think about your suggestion. Always looking to make things better. You would have had a ball too if you weren't on staff!
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 09:38:06 AM
I'm not on staff - remember. I represent me.
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: Mike L on August 25, 2008, 09:56:44 AM
I would say that the overall leader or both squad leaders should recieve some kind of cash reward instead of balls.
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: wildbush300 on August 25, 2008, 11:04:36 AM
I wish I could have bowled but PG County Courts took my $400 in Traffic Court on Friday. At least I only got 2 of the 5+ points that they wanted to give me. Sign me up for next year though. I will try to drive slower in 2009. LMAO
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Yvette
Tournament Director Triple Threat Tournaments
Triplethreat1560@aol.com
Post by: superlefty800 on August 25, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
Stephen H & Mike L.. Columbia donated 4 balls to the bowlers for this tournament. IMOP the idea behind that is Columbia wants there product out there in the hands of good bowlers. Example if I led a squad giving me the ball is not helping Columbia because I can't us it so I would either give it away to a youth bowler (which is what I've done in the pass) or give it to the pro shop to trade it in for a Storm product. So basically giving it to the highest non-staffer is really his only option. Steve if I remember correctly when your dad ran the Masters he use to give a ball out to the leader of the squad also. I do agree that $200 for high game of the tournament is too much but like you said, what's done is done. Great bowling all weekend both of you guys!!!
Hans.. Great seeing you again my friend. Keep in touch.
As for the shot at the tournament. I bowled on A squad and bowled well and the shot seemed close to how I played on the Broadway pattern before. I didn't watch B squad bowl but I heard they played tighter. Sunday I would agree there was a bit more hook but the shot still played the same.
Lastly I want to congratulate Troy Lint for winning. Left handed or right handed he out bowled the field and deserved to win. Nice bowling also Mike for a solid finish. That was a great position round match between you guys.
Also want to congratulate Samantha Williams for her 6th place finish. Way to bowl with the guys. LOL
For any tournament bowlers within driving distance you missed a well run tournament with a super prize fund with some nice side action!!!! Tony I'm already looking forward to next years tournament....
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Chris Johnson
Storm Amateur Staffer
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 11:48:54 AM
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: walt8398 on August 25, 2008, 11:49:38 AM
Dang girl! You couldn't bat your eyes and get out of that ticket?
CJ
Thanks bro. Means a lot coming from my FRIENDS because I know you guys will tell it like it is. The center did a great job putting their best foot forward and I conveyed that to them. Looking forward to next year myself.
Also, keep the feedback coming. I need those ideas for next year.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mike L on August 25, 2008, 11:51:29 AM
A side note, I do wish all the regional players would look at this format with the entry fee, side action, and prize fund and see for themselves exactly what could be out here once a month or even every 2 or 3 months if some of them would come out and support local tournaments like this. The 1st squad I was in all 182 brackets, 4 eliminators, and high game pots. So there was actually a shot to profit over $7000 this weekend, how many regionals can you do that at? Also 20th spot paid $375, almost triple your money. Why and how can any of the local bowlers that traveled to NJ and SC say this was not a better investment?
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 12:10:59 PM
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: Mike L on August 25, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Edited on 8/25/2008 2:08 PM
Post by: wildbush300 on August 25, 2008, 12:36:37 PM
Bad thing was the other officers were "No-shows" and this guy had about 2/3 court room filled. Watch out for Trooper Norman in the College Park Area!
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Yvette
Tournament Director Triple Threat Tournaments
Triplethreat1560@aol.com
Post by: walt8398 on August 25, 2008, 12:42:08 PM
MSB and I were just talking about your post and we did some numbers ourselves. Most folks don't have the "deep pockets" like you to get in ALL.
But your accounting is correct. For that same $200 or $275 as a non-member (I'll use the $200 in my example) you could have paid entry fee, high game pot and 2 survival boards. On your squad the pots paid $180/gm and survival boards paid $240/ea for winning. If you bowled good the right 3 games:
Win 3 high game pots - $540
Win 2 Survival Boards - $480
That's $1,020 dollars.. You would have to make it to the round of 4 to make that money in a regional against 6-8 exempt bowlers in the top 16 on the patterns they bowl on for 20+ weeks.
Wow!
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 12:56:21 PM
Mr. Baker - just wanted to clarify that I'm not one of those gasper you are speaking about - however, I would like to congratulate you on your very astute observation regarding the pattern and how well I would bowl on that condition. HA HA HA - thanks for the extra confidence prior to qualifying.
The only thing I would like to say about the tournament is that you have to be careful how many times you try to run something like this. The reason I say that is that it can lose it's luster/grandeur quickly if it is held too often. I feel you have to give bowlers something to look forward too, something to prepare for and having this maybe 3 times a year would be more than enough.
I would consider Tony's and Jeff's tournaments spot check tournaments that all bowlers wanting to elevate their game should try to bowl in every month. Most of the tournaments in some way will show you weaknesses in your game if you don't match up or line up properly to the pattern.
IMO, bowlers seem to forget what they are gaining or potentially could gain from competing in smaller venues. Every event there is something to learn whether you cash or not.
I think i've ran out of air so I will say bye for now. Thanks again Tony and I feel Jeff Baker deserves recognition too because these gentlemen support each other tournaments and to me, these are to two best clubs out there for bowlers in our area.
Congratulations again to all the finalists righty/lefty it doesn't matter to me, what's important is that we all have the ability and gift to compete, and we've all put in our share of time making ourselves the bowlers we are today and will be in the future.
Best of luck to all and I'll see you on the REAL HARDWOOD (OUR HARDWOOD)!
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 01:26:06 PM
1. Filled your car up from empty
2. Ate breakfast at Bob Evans
3. Paid the $140 entry to bowl the same 8 games you bowled in NJ
4. Entered the game pots, last game pot and 4 survival boards
5. Ate lunch or dinner at Original Steak House & Sports
If you bowled the 9am squad, you could have done all of this and been home long before the sun set too. And by my calculations, you would still have between $30-50 in your pocket. Welcome to the PBA!
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 01:48:24 PM
Bro I know you aren't grasping, you are a competitor. You might not bowl everything but when you can you do come out and lace 'em up. If we had more folks willing to compete, the local tournaments could have 50+ easily.VMSBT, 40 Boards & Triple Threat might need to start stealing from the bowlers, that seems to be the formula for drawing entries. And the best part, people don't even know they are being stole from because they don't do the math.
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: Mike L on August 25, 2008, 02:19:26 PM
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: CBass1724 on August 25, 2008, 02:29:23 PM
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I saw at least 3 people who live in Baltimore or the York area who traveled to NJ to bowl the regional. What were you thinking??? I know, let me spend $275 to enter, $3.50 a gallon, tolls, 4 or more hours of driving round trip and possibly a hotel bill as well. Follow this breakdown of how you could have stretched your dollar and played for $3,000 up top, that’s $500 more then the regional by the way. Did I mention the entry fee was $135 less then the $275 you spent to bowl against some exempt guys and life long regional players?
1. Filled your car up from empty
2. Ate breakfast at Bob Evans
3. Paid the $140 entry to bowl the same 8 games you bowled in NJ
4. Entered the game pots, last game pot and 4 survival boards
5. Ate lunch or dinner at Original Steak House & Sports
If you bowled the 9am squad, you could have done all of this and been home long before the sun set too. And by my calculations, you would still have between $30-50 in your pocket. Welcome to the PBA!
^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^
Quick, somebody cross post this on the East PBA and South PBA message boards.
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C.J.
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 02:40:24 PM
Post by: walt8398 on August 25, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
Don't take offense to the PBA post directly. That was directed mainly at the MD/Southern PA/DE bowlers who bypassed an event in their backyard to bowl the regional. Economically, it made no sense to bypass this past weekends tournament. I was a PBA member from '88-'99 & '02-'05. So, I know all about chasing the "dream". There was plenty of good competition and money to be made at this event is all we are trying to point out.
Next year's event will be the same weekend with the same top prize and/or more added money.
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 07:03:16 PM
I do have a question eRICOB, why is it that I hear regional players say they bowl for the competition? And at the same time they cry the economy is bad so they need to win some money. Are the regionals the only place a bowler can find competition? I ask that because there are megabuck champs & runner-ups, regional champs, military champs, National Amateur Champs and former Team USA members bowling local tournaments.
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: Mr Straight Ball on August 25, 2008, 07:19:10 PM
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Baker...Why doesn't my ball h
k?40 Boards & A Ball Tournament Director
www.40boards.com
The left sucks & the right is wide open! R.I.P. Brizmo 6/15/08
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 25, 2008, 11:44:17 PM
I have to throw this out there to the BR folks.
I feel the 50 bonus pins is too much. The reason I say this is for 2 reasons:
1) It is luck of the draw for match play which I think gets magnified with the bonus pins. It shouldn't be where luck of the draw dictates the tournament outcome.
2) If a bowler quits or gets injured and is forced to leave the tournament, bowlers that are supposed to be bowling that person get free bonus pins when half of the rest of the field doesn't.
I would petition for 25 or 30 bonus pins max. What is everyone else's opinion?
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Stephen Hahn
Post by: superlefty800 on August 26, 2008, 07:34:19 AM
The one think I would consider changing for next year's B/W tournament is add more games on Sunday. I realize bowling everyone in the finals isn't going to happen but I would like to at least bowl half of them. I personally would have like to have bowled 10 games of match-play. That would have still put the out of towners on the road at 1:30-2pm.
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Chris Johnson
Storm Amateur Staffer
Post by: Dbum on August 26, 2008, 09:13:13 AM
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Darnell "DBum" Bell
Post by: walt8398 on August 26, 2008, 10:24:38 AM
You definitely aren't the first one to mention the 50 bonus pins. As CJ pointed out, it makes the match-play interesting. It puts a premium on winning your matches and basically eliminates guys just giving away matches without any repracussions (which we all know used to happen during our days of bowling regionals in the old match-play format with 30 bounus pins). As a far as the guy withdrawing during match play, not really anything I could do at that point. But I will think on that to how to handle that in the future. My hope is that we won't have that happen too often.
We will add more games of match-play next year. I am keeping track of everyone's suggestions and will make the changes accordingly for next year's event. As you guys know, I'm open to ideas but the 50 bonus pins is going to stay (sorry bro
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Tony Walton
Columbia 300 Regional/Amateur Staff Member
VMSBT Tournament Director
http://www.vmsbt.com
Post by: DP3 on August 26, 2008, 10:32:38 AM
Kudos on a great tournament. Definately one of the smoothest ran and professional events I've ever seen ran for the volume of entries. It was fun & I definately learned alot.
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-DJ Marshall
...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop. AMF Bowie Lanes -- Bowie, MD
Post by: Mike L on August 26, 2008, 11:05:17 AM
I agree more matches will be good, but the 50 bonus is needed to give everyone a chance, thats why I say something should be paid to the leader that way if they do happen to lose a few matches and drop a few spots they at least get something for leading. Even at the regular VMSBT events, the leader get $25 and 25 points. 10-12 games of match play would be good.
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"Typical House Bowler"
Post by: superlefty800 on August 26, 2008, 11:06:08 AM
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Chris Johnson
Storm Amateur Staffer
Post by: Dbum on August 26, 2008, 11:18:17 AM
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Darnell "DBum" Bell
Post by: I_Bowl4Money on August 27, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
I put the 50 point thing out there so I could hear from the rest of the bowlers how they felt and their point of view on the system. No worries from me as I am good with whatever works best for the majority. If everyone likes the system, you won't hear anything more about it from me.
I'll be sure to win more matches next time
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Stephen Hahn