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J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« on: January 12, 2011, 08:27:58 PM »
Mark your calendars

Saturday - April 16th

Forest Hill Lanes
1 Maurice Dr
Forest Hill, MD 21050
 
8 game marathon sponsored by the J.O. Spice Company
 
$1000 Guaranteed 1st Place - $60 entry fee ...  1 in 5 cash
 
Starting time is NOON
 
Pattern - Modified House Condition
 
Flyer linked, any questions can be posted here or emailed to bowltournaments (at) yahoo (dot) com
 

 

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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2011, 02:02:28 PM »
 Told ya so..


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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2011, 02:23:05 PM »
Well now that we know who everyone is...Good tournament overall, well run with good action.  Hope to see better things for the 2nd annual.



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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2011, 05:43:21 PM »
Could someone post results please.  Had to work and could not bowl.  Thanks.



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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2011, 01:23:41 PM »































































































































Chris Johnson

210

195

228

246

225

227

214

247

1792

$1,000

Joe Tremper

175

171

238

238

230

209

268

232

1761

$500

Chhoeun To

204

269

213

186

173

195

213

258

1711

$300

Dan Schaden

181

277

161

207

259

215

215

179

1694

$175

Bruce Hollen

245

189

192

235

257

207

187

180

1692

$140

Brian Bennett

235

223

190

171

236

247

198

190

1690

$120

Samatha Williams

220

243

198

159

244

180

222

224

1690

$100

Dave Harkins

209

204

177

214

234

199

241

208

1686

$85

Jason Weaver

218

203

210

202

187

171

238

256

1685

$70

Pat McGainey

231

202

156

276

214

184

185

235

1683

$60

 

Here are the results for the cash spots.  Full field results can be requested by emailing bowltournaments@yahoo.com.  

 

In addressing "Racefan" all I can say is that my goal is to try and provide tournaments the best way I know how while holding down a full time job, meeting the needs of my 5 kids and significant other, be a member of my bowling association and also try to bowl a little.  I regret that I don't have the time to sit with the lanesman at each center where we are having a tournament and work hours on patterns that are going to play fairly for the entire length of the event. Perhaps "Racefan" you'd like to take all that experience you have and start running a few tournaments. 

 

"Saw"s comment is exactly right, on any given pattern somone is going to have an advantage.  Let's not get away from the fact that the lefties that cashed are not your run of the mill southpaws... they all can play.  Actually, there was talent all through those that competed so why can't we just give the props to the individuals that bowled well and let it go at that and come back and get them next time.

 

In the end, I hope all or most all were satisfied at the event as a whole not only with the lane condition but how it was run.  Brian and I will gladly take suggestions as we are always looking to improve.  Hopefully the sponsor liked what he saw and will be available for future events.

 

Again, thanks to all that participated.

 

Chuck



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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2011, 04:47:22 AM »
Chuck,

 

Thanks for running the tournament. 

 

Stop trying to make reasonable points with Kevinracefan.  He is a classic lefty / righty ignoramous. When you are discussing lefty versus righty the talent of the lefty must must must be ignored.

 

When one or two  lefties do well they are easy on the left.  When no lefties do well it is a fair condition.

 

I does not matter if you have "40 years of experience" or 6 PBA regional titles ignorance is ignorance. 

 

There is NO WAY (not with today's equipment and lane surfaces) to balance out the condition.  One style or another will match up better than others...lefty / righty...cranker / stroker...

 

Please ignore the peanut gallery and keep on doing the great job you are doing.
 
Edited by rotomike on 4/21/2011 at 4:47 AM
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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2011, 10:32:59 AM »
Chuck,

 

Thank you for running your tournament (s) and also for your staff that does a great job. There was alot of lefties in the top 10 but so be it. The lefties that did cash are pretty good players.

 

Will I bowl another one of Chuck's Tournaments on a kegel  or whatever pattern.... Hell Yes.

 

Make shots and go from there... I choked it off the last 2 games.

 


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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2011, 10:20:25 AM »
 Wow, some interesting responses..  Chuck, I have always appreciated and admired the tournaments you've run in the past.. I dare say I have supported them as much as anyone even though I am 30 years removed from my "A" game..  I was expecting something terrific in this event, and the format and administration were excellent as usual.. But the lane condition was disappointing.. I posted my concerns on Jan 28, page 1, and the results show I was spot on... (Here's a hint, less oil almost never works fairly, unless you're wanting a brickyard).                                                                                  This is not an attack on the lefties who cashed, as I realize they all have ability.. But facts are facts.. I had concerns.. I called the outcome right after practice, and was 100
% correct..                                                                                     Dear RotoMike: not many people would call Lenny Nicholson or Mo Pinel an ignoramous.. You must be one smart cookie.. Then you say there's absolutely no way and expose yourself as as a blithering sour grapes lefty who must not have cashed.. Perhaps you should do some homework.. There's tons of people in your area who knew me when I was managing Alexandria and Annandale.. I doubt any of them would characterize me as ignoramous.. I had great relationships with earlier operators of the shop you alledgedly work at.. Mr's Roboinette and Francomano knew me well as we always did the ABC trips together (and I have a 2nd & 9th, what's your record?), but you were just a teenager then.. Much to learnm then, and obviously much to learn now... Ask around or run your mouth.. Makes me no difference.. You're the one looking stupid to those that know history..                                     Chuck, I hope and expect J O Spice to return.. The event ran great, as usual.. K. Tillery


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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2011, 04:03:25 PM »
 Ooops.. Forgive my typing on my crackberry.. And jim Robinette.. And learn has no M in reality..


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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2011, 09:10:00 PM »
 

The point is that with TODAY’s lane surfaces and conditioning ANY pattern can be manipulated by TODAY'S current bowling balls and Abralon pads. 


Talent today has more to do with recognizing the proper ball, layout and surface to matchup to the applied condition with the ability to execute shots as secondary. To the hysterical / historical amongst us it might seem as an affront to the game we grew up playing.


I think it was Mo Pinel who said something to the effect of…”you cannot out execute a bad ball reaction”


Bottom line is this is the game we have. 


 


Now onto the fun stuff….


“.. I called the outcome right after practice, and was 100
% correct.”.
– How prophetic of you. That goes right along with the great ones like “there will be daylight tomorrow followed by night."


“Not many people would call Lenny Nicholson or Mo Pinel an ignoramous.” – I’m not calling them an ignoramus… I am however suggesting that you might be one. And name dropping will get you nowhere. I have met and spent plenty time with Mo Pinel and have met Len Nicholson and Fred Borden and Bill Taylor (R.I.P.) and Don Johnson (R.I.P.) and Ray Edwards and Brian Purcell and Hank Boomershine and I spoke with Richie Sposato last night in Syracuse. Maybe you met them and have attended the same seminars that I did BACK IN THE DAY. I also know that Resurfaced By Us did the work on Annandale and Alexandria BACK IN THE DAY. I was there for at least one of them at Annandale.


 If you think that you are parroting or speaking for  Len Nicholson and Mo Pinel then you are suggesting that you have no original thoughts of you own. I also think Len Nicholson and Mo Pinel might disagree with you.


“Then you say there's absolutely no way and expose yourself as as a blithering sour grapes lefty who must not have cashed” – Actually I didn’t get the chance to bowl this tournament. I had no transportation due to a seized transmission. I have however bowled in Chuck’s tournaments before and am very familiar with the conditions at Forest Hill. I’m just tired of the broad brush approach you used in your assessment.


“There's tons of people in your area who knew me when I was managing Alexandria and Annandale” – BACK IN THE DAY


“I doubt any of them would characterize me as ignoramus.” – Let’s let them tell us that if there are any still alive.


“I had great relationships with earlier operators of the shop you alledgedly work at.. Mr's Roboinette and Francomano knew me well” – BACK IN THE DAY…How many decades ago was that???? Robinette and Francomano have been out of the area for DECADES. I’ve been working there for 12 years. I have been in the pro shop business for 29 years. Stop by the alleged shop on Friday I will be happy to chat with you. Come by around lunch time and I will buy you some Chipotle.


“we always did the ABC trips together (and I have a 2nd & 9th, what's your record?)” – BACK IN THE DAY..Are you feeling threatened? I have a 300 on a certified Sport Condition. Since it wasn’t bowled with wooden balls I guess it means nothing to you. Not to mention it totally avoids the point I was making which you skipped.


..” Much to learnm then, and obviously much to learn now... Ask around or run your mouth.. Makes me no difference.. You're the one looking stupid to those that know history” - I know the history. Your ramblings and constant anchoring to the past quickly slides you into to the category of clairvoyants who claim they saw the demise of bowling coming five decades ago but only now are offering “solutions”. 

 

Let's move on.
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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2011, 11:19:52 PM »
Wow, this topic has turned into quite the discussion.  It would be nice to not be hiding behind a keyboard and saying things you more than likely wouldn't say to each others face.  I have no valuable input into the argument, because I am much too young compared to both of you guys. KT, having spent a lot of time around you, and not knowing 'Rotomike' i can't say much to his credentials.  I know you know your stuff and while some of your ideals may be unorthodox, you're usually spot-on.  I've done my best to learn a lot about the sport and some of the things being said are just straight up irrelevant attacks. KT (Kevinracefan) has experience that I can say with a lot of certainty not many people have.
 
Chuck, well run, well executed and as I said before, I hope there's a 2nd annual, as well as all of your other tournaments. 
 
It all boils down to execution, and those who execute the most, prevail.



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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2011, 11:20:43 PM »
"Come by around lunch time and I will buy you some Chipotle."
 -I'll be stopping by in that case. LOL.
 
But about the JO Spice discussion. I am right-handed and thought they were fine. I felt like I could have gone +80 to cash but made some mistakes along the way. They really started to open up on the right after about game 5, I just couldn't find a way to get the swisher 7 out, lol.
 
The lefties are going to have their day, as are the righties. It's really a moot point to bring up the left-right issue, as it all evens out. Forest Hill plays well on the left no matter what "pattern" was put out, and most everyone knew that going in.

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« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2011, 11:27:31 PM »
Frankly Mike, it sounds to me like you feel insecure about yourself.  Experience comes with age.  So what if Kevin bowled well 20, 30 years ago.  Knowledge and learning do not dull with age.  Physical skill can and will.  No one can bowl that well forever.  You can sit and pick apart an argument, that's great, and 20 years from now when you want to talk about bowling no one will tell you repeatedly "BACK IN THE DAY".  Does that mean his knowledge is useless? Hardly.  You're the one that looks like an ignoramus now.


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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2011, 04:45:32 AM »
Nice of you to defend your friend... I'm not the one who first threw my credentials out there in an attempt to defend my position...

 

The point I was making (I guess inelegantly by mentioning some of what I know and where I have been) was there is no franchise on knowledge. The knowlegde base in the world of bowling is constantly being revised by new technology. It is very valuable to know where we came from but you also have keep up with the current changes.

 

You too are invited down to the alleged shop for some Chipotle and a chat as well. I absolutly believe in the exchange of ideas.

 

 

 

 


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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2011, 08:35:25 AM »
 RotoMike.. The physics of friction areas and slick areas do not know what era we're in.. Things I learned while working for hall of famers from the 60's did not change just because lane finish changed from lacquer to epoxy.. Now did they change from epoxy to tabletops.. Friction is still friction and slick is still slick.. Yes, new equipment can blow holes in a pattern quicker, but  no one tries to carve tracks when one is put there from the beginning.. For long formats the need is to create friction and slick to be as fair as possible for as long as possible.. If you youtube the latest Dick Weber "know the wood" segments, you will see an excellent attempt at a NON symmetrical pattern that does this..  They had the heaviest oil from R15 to R20.. In extended play, both sides will be deep and in about the same spots.. That's how it's done..the same applies in the 70's, 90's, and now...I worked for and with people who freely taught me what they know because it was in their interests to do so.. No smoke and mirrors.. The successes I had doing this 30 years ago still work today.. The physics didn't change totally because the surfaces did..                                                                                          Lastly, thanks for a more civil exchange on your subsequent posts.. Your shop is about 100 miles away, too far for a burrito bomb from chipotle, but if I'm ever in Fairfax with time, I'd love to re-visit Carmen Don..


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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2011, 08:39:27 AM »
Ooops.. NOR did they change etc.